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Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
October 07 2002 04:40 GMT
#41
I think 'all' those Korean pro-gamer protoss users(except for nal_ra and reach) are overrated at this moment: They make so many mistakes, and grrr is just not good enough 'anymore', the skill has been taken to a new level and grrr.. has been left behind. InToTheRain makes so many mistakes for example in his WCG games, the list goes on.

I also think V-Gundam is overrated, in some ways he is really original, but his micro lacks big time!
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Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
October 07 2002 04:42 GMT
#42
oh and tsu is only funny to watch at times, cause of his strats and amusing wins, but he really isnt that good ;/
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InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
October 07 2002 17:23 GMT
#43
Grrr aint the best Toss anymore but i hate when people say he overrated Just cuss he aint the best anymore.The guy won WCG cannada 2 Times and then played well at the finals korea.His record speaks for itself real.I dont think Grrr can be overrated he a legeand of Sc
When the spirit is not altogether slain, great loss teaches men and women to desire greatly, both for themselves and for others.
Senff
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States360 Posts
October 07 2002 18:27 GMT
#44
Tsu was never THAT good. V-Gundam's micro VS Toss is incredible. It takes a TON of skill to do his giant push properly, laying mines just so, and building the stuff you need at the right time. It takes even more skill to beat it though.
Jesus: The Other White Moses
uT)CyrAx
Profile Joined October 2002
United States282 Posts
October 09 2002 09:18 GMT
#45
underrated: city/nada/oddy
overrated: garimto, jinnam, jinsu, crystal[inca], eji, and shitloads of others=[
-.,- ~cyraxle
Paragon
Profile Joined February 2006
United States295 Posts
June 28 2006 05:39 GMT
#46
On October 09 2002 18:18 uT)CyrAx wrote:
underrated: city/nada/oddy
overrated: garimto, jinnam, jinsu, crystal[inca], eji, and shitloads of others=[


CORRECT SIR
Not that Subway Wouldn`t still be pro, just not as pro as other things.. It`d be the Mumyung of sandwich places, I guess. - SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
June 28 2006 05:42 GMT
#47
You know, usually when people want to get banned they just PM one of us and request it.

But I guess this works too.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
June 28 2006 05:44 GMT
#48
On June 28 2006 14:39 Paragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2002 18:18 uT)CyrAx wrote:
underrated: city/nada/oddy
overrated: garimto, jinnam, jinsu, crystal[inca], eji, and shitloads of others=[


CORRECT SIR

What a great revive.__.;;

Nada had already won KPGA (now MSL) twice when he said that btw ; [
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
June 28 2006 05:45 GMT
#49
I think PuSan is overrated but I could be wrong in the future.
Paragon
Profile Joined February 2006
United States295 Posts
June 28 2006 05:45 GMT
#50
On June 28 2006 14:44 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2006 14:39 Paragon wrote:
On October 09 2002 18:18 uT)CyrAx wrote:
underrated: city/nada/oddy
overrated: garimto, jinnam, jinsu, crystal[inca], eji, and shitloads of others=[


CORRECT SIR

What a great revive.__.;;

Nada had already won KPGA (now MSL) twice when he said that btw ; [


Oh.

zzz.
Not that Subway Wouldn`t still be pro, just not as pro as other things.. It`d be the Mumyung of sandwich places, I guess. - SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Paragon
Profile Joined February 2006
United States295 Posts
June 28 2006 05:46 GMT
#51
On June 28 2006 14:42 Bill307 wrote:
You know, usually when people want to get banned they just PM one of us and request it.

But I guess this works too.


I thought it would be fun to see who people thought was underrated in the past.

;_;
Not that Subway Wouldn`t still be pro, just not as pro as other things.. It`d be the Mumyung of sandwich places, I guess. - SweeTLemonS[TPR]
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11596 Posts
June 28 2006 06:00 GMT
#52
Canata... is way under
Calendar@ Fish Server: `iOps]..Stark
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36399 Posts
June 28 2006 06:03 GMT
#53
reviving old threads was sooooo two days ago

http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=471

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CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
June 28 2006 06:14 GMT
#54
Yeah, I was affraid that will start a new trend of people going over OLD threads and posting a reply. But i didn't say it out loud because people might have gotten ideas.

I wanted to revive the Romania vs Russia thread, a few months ago when I came by, but it was already been brought to life in 2004 by some other romanian n00b, so meh. I just sat in my place. But it was fun to see scores like xxx vs advokate 2-0 / yyy vs androide 2-0 / zzz vs oober-gosu-rusian-pro-gamer 2-0.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
XDawn
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Canada4040 Posts
June 28 2006 06:17 GMT
#55
This whole 'old thread revival' is getting hella annoying >_<
Use it or lose it
BrutalMenace
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1237 Posts
June 28 2006 06:19 GMT
#56
My Over vote goes to gundam... He has good micro/macro but he pushes to boldly everytime i see him play.

My under vote goes to Nal_Doggi... i think his terran is really solid
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
June 28 2006 06:27 GMT
#57
On June 28 2006 14:42 Bill307 wrote:
You know, usually when people want to get banned they just PM one of us and request it.

But I guess this works too.


Hahah, that gold ok Bill~~?
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