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Two bottom-feeders at it in this Proleague match! Nobody created a thread, so here one is.
Warning: I am really drunk, please forgive the crappiness of this thread. Predictions and results to be edited in as they come!
+ Show Spoiler [predictions] +Given that this is a typically Protoss map and OversKy has decently strong ZvP, I feel that his appearance here is definitely a snipe. OversKy probably has some specific ZvP build in mind for this map, but HerO is a quite mechanically strong new player (PvT being his forte) and should have the raw talent to come out on top despite OversKy's shenanigans. PvT is the only matchup fOru is capable of these days, hence his appearance on the Terran playground Harmony. Despite the fact that PvT is fOru's specialty, I'm picking NaDa here. NaDa is busy working on his TvP for the MSL, and he should have no problem handling fOru. Yet another intentional snipe from ACE! Playing BoxeR on Raid Assault basically guarantees him a Zerg opponent, and out of pure fanboyism I'm going to pick The Emperor to take this set. RorO has actually been playing quite solid lately, but I don't dare pick against BoxeR's TvZ! Show us something special, Lim Yohwan! PvT seems to be the standard matchup on Chupung-Ryeong, despite its Carrier-friendly terrain. DZ has shown us some superior Carrier control in the past, but there's a reason FOX is playing Mind on this map: his TvP is still solid. I'm picking Mind to fight through DZ's Carriers and emerge victorious. ACE 1 < 3 WeMade
+ Show Spoiler [results] +
How to watch: DAUM Sports stream Corinthos' VLC stream: mmsh://75.126.18.2:2111
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ACE vs WeMade Stream: vlc: mmsh://75.126.18.2:2111
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anyone got that daum stream? my connection is uberslow it seems that one works best T_T
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damn... boxer vs nada would've been...
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thanks corinthos.
By the way, great job yesterday on the osl finals--just... really awesome.
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I really hope boxer wins versus this semi-no name roro...
It's always a disappointment when the emperor loses. Stream working perfectly thx to Corinthos!
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Hero's forge wall is a bit stupid considering that gate above forge is watertight...
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corinthos, so brave to post it in the thread! thanks a bunch!
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Corinhos thanks for VLC!!!
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Wow. That's a damn good stream.
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Sweet, thanks Corinthos! Much better quality than Daum Sports.
Seems to have some problems though.
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Looks pretty bad for hero right now, oversky is killing the 3rd base.
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On November 02 2008 14:20 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote: man hero... He really only had one good game, where he beat Flash on Colosseum . Arbiter rush n shit, but that was mostly due to map imbal imo.
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here we go nada
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Nada better watch out, forU is on his biggest streak against terran since 2006.
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Corinthos, is there a VLC-stream with a lower bitrate?
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On November 02 2008 14:25 Fontong wrote: Nada better watch out, forU is on his biggest streak against terran since 2006.
really?! didnt know that..
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On November 02 2008 14:29 ambit!ous1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2008 14:25 Fontong wrote: Nada better watch out, forU is on his biggest streak against terran since 2006. really?! didnt know that.. 1 win.
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On November 02 2008 14:25 Fontong wrote: Nada better watch out, forU is on his biggest streak against terran since 2006. I see what you did there...
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On November 02 2008 14:29 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2008 14:29 ambit!ous1 wrote:On November 02 2008 14:25 Fontong wrote: Nada better watch out, forU is on his biggest streak against terran since 2006. really?! didnt know that.. 1 win. WTF? LOL LOL
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On November 02 2008 14:25 Fontong wrote: Nada better watch out, forU is on his biggest streak against terran since 2006.
with one win? I think? i'm too lazy to check ><;;
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foru at the bottom right, nada at top right
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nada has his pro supply placement
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WEW WEW I'M TOTALLY SMASHED HOPE THIS OP IS OK
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On November 02 2008 14:34 jwd241224 wrote: WEW WEW I'M TOTALLY SMASHED HOPE THIS OP IS OK
it's okay, although you have no links for people to watch, so they've got to figure it out for themselves. It's working out okay though.
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foru expands before core, nada looks like he's going to fd. I think that this is going to turn out badly for foru
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nada gets bunker up within range of the natural nexus, foru has like 2 goons with no range
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Now protoss too can feel the frustration of a bunker rush
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foru looks totally unconcerned that he just lost a nexus
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4 goons run past the bunker to try to counter into nada's main
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if Nada somehow loses this game im quiting TL
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2 tanks + 2 scv's await on the ramp, now 3 tanks, 2 scv's and 3 marines >.>
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nada lands cc at nat, foru clears out the bunker
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obs+ natural nexus (again) out now for foru
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foru expands again right after his nat nexus finishes, nada adds 2 more factories +turrets
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On November 02 2008 14:35 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2008 14:34 jwd241224 wrote: WEW WEW I'M TOTALLY SMASHED HOPE THIS OP IS OK it's okay, although you have no links for people to watch, so they've got to figure it out for themselves. It's working out okay though.
OK, added some links. WOOOT GO ACE
fOru is getting owned though
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armory going up for nada, 3 gates up for foru, nada spots foru's attempted third expansion
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foru and nada both have their third up and running, nada is starting to tech to scivessels/ upgrades
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ForU adds 4 gates for 7. Nada starting to move into the center of the map to defend his 3rd.
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9 gates out now for foru, nada has 2 armories upgrading.
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nada starts his fourth, as does foru
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ForU putting up his 4th with a pylon wallin. Nadas vultures are roaming the map.
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Aw it would've been awesome if it was NaDa vs. BoxeR again.
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Looks like Nada has a tank drop going??
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i really think Nada is toying with Foru
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Ahh Nada tank drops the undefended 4th, the pylon wallin...
Ahh forU catches Nadas rmy COMPLETELY unprepared!!! ahhh
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fontong, your stream is ahead of mine :'(
tank drop to harass foru's 4th base, which is at the bottom left
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big push from foru, gets nada's fourth no problem
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Nada just lost his 3rd and entire army, but manages to kill all of the probes at 2 of forUs bases.
ForU is stupid and A moves into Nadas natural, loses entire army.
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er, sorry, gets his third, nada's fourth is still up. Nada has no tanks left to defend his fourth however.
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foru loses his fourth as well from the tank drop
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with the same 2 tanks that killed foru's fourth, foru's third is taken down. both players are at 2 bases i believe
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ForU on...2 bases i think? Nada is on 3. This is looking pretty bad for ForU
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foru drops 2 goons on the tank drop, only gets 1 tank >.>
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Nada a-moves into forUs natural...GG!
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thank god i dont have to quit TL
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where did he get those troops?
wow nada
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nada's macroing like a beast, while foru is trying to run from only one mining base (just his nat, his main is mined out)
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Good think nada won. Even if it was against foru. if he had lost, that would make me sad for his game against free.
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Lol...forU's streak is over...try harder next time, ok?
Edit: I really don't get that ABC mart commercial T.T
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TvZ on Raid Assault
This'll be interesting.
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Alright its time for HIM to play. And he had better win too, and at the same time render fantasy's build obsolete.
You heard battlecruiser rush here first.
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Is there any VLC streams with a lower bitrate? This is too laggy for me
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On November 02 2008 14:59 bitchaRd[raGe] wrote:Is there any VLC streams with a lower bitrate? This is too laggy for me does the daum sports stream not work for you? its smaller?
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On November 02 2008 14:58 Fontong wrote: Alright its time for HIM to play. And he had better win too, and at the same time render fantasy's build obsolete.
You heard battlecruiser rush here first.
I don't think he'd render it absolute, considering he was the cradle from which it was born from. Boxer has been using valks for a long time now; that's all that makes Fantasy's build so special.
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On November 02 2008 15:03 Railz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2008 14:58 Fontong wrote: Alright its time for HIM to play. And he had better win too, and at the same time render fantasy's build obsolete.
You heard battlecruiser rush here first. I don't think he'd render it absolute, considering he was the cradle from which it was born from. Boxer has been using valks for a long time now; that's all that makes Fantasy's build so special. I was just kidding, as in like "What will he do now?!?!" I don't think we will see anything new in this game.
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Boxer sends out early SCVs and builds depot > barracks both outside of his base??
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Proxy rax from boxer!! Weird...
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RorO has scouted the proxy...Boxer is now making a bunker there.
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RorO tries to break into Boxer's main with his first 6 lings, but Boxer blocks with 2depot+rax and is able to hold using repair....I guess his proxy is just kind of a weird second base now. This game is wack.
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Ahh pretty smart, Boxer floats in his proxy rax to see roros tech. Proxy 'base' dies though.
Edit: keke new icon.
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Roro razes Boxer's proxy base with lings and puts down a spire. Boxer got absolutely nothing out of that proxy base, I have no idea what its original purpose was.
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Roro is going 1 base mutas...I think. Finally expoing.
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Boxer is quite same from this, he has enough turrets and marines. As long as he can expo in a timely manner he will have a healthy lead due to roros very slow expo.
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Roro expanding at 10 and muta harassing in Boxer's main. Boxer does not have many marines but it looks like he has enough turrets to hold this off. Roro is pretty far ahead now on account of the bizarre "failed" proxy.
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On November 02 2008 15:13 ambit!ous1 wrote: that storm was a major FAIL
haha, wrong thread. Maybe I'll go watch that series this game isen't that interesting and Boxer looks like Boxer is going to lose. But then again, Roro is going like, 2.5 base hive.
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Boxer is just taking his nat now. Meanwhile, Roro has 3 gas, hive, and greater spire morping. Boxer is not long for this world.
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yeah wrong thread sorry guys
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On November 02 2008 15:18 ambit!ous1 wrote: OMG 4 shuttles lol wrong thread.
Guardians!! chewing up those rines. this looks very bad for boxer.
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Here come the guards at Boxer's nat...he has his first vessel scourged easily and is having a really hard time defending. This game is a disaster for The Emperor.
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Ahh gg from Boxer...so sad. I hate it when he loses.
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Boxer loses his nat to guards and swarm....this is pretty much over. What an embarrassment
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Ah, he can't always win, that strat was just pretty poor. He was behind a lot from the muta harass and couldn't do anything to stop roro from expoing and teching with harass.
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lol looks like I have the fastest stream.
On November 02 2008 15:23 MuShu wrote: Ah, he can't always win, that strat was just pretty poor. He was behind a lot from the muta harass and couldn't do anything to stop roro from expoing and teching with harass.
Well, I think boxer too many times tries to live up to legacy of masterful cheese, when he really just cant do it all the time. I think he could have gone standard against someone like Roro.
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On November 02 2008 15:21 Fontong wrote: Ahh gg from Boxer...so sad. I hate it when he loses.
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DZ looking dapper as usual...I'm rooting for him purely so we can see an ace game!
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I don't know who to root for here...
Two of my favorite players, mind and daezang! I hope daezang wins just for the ace, but mind is just too strong i think.
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DaezanG please make ace for us!
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Oh proxy haven: chupung ryeong. And mind scouts it!! Daezang is fail.
Mind isn't pulling scvs to kill it though.
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daezang planning to cheese? sets up a pylon next to mind's nat...spotted
gateway added!
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daezang steals mind's gas. mind doesn't seem fazed at all.
mind adding depots, bunkers for cover. first marine out.
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Mind has a bunker up but he's still losing quite a few SCVs to these zealots...pretty nice control from DZ.
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Wow lots of marines out for mind. Drives away the zealots and is killing the proxy.
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Mind with 6 marines; beats out DZ's zealots. proxy defeated.
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Mind produces a critical mass of marines and clears the proxy quite easily. This is his game to lose now.
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Both players expand, Mind on 1fac (with shop going up now) and DZ on two gates.
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Mind has to pull SCVs to drive away DZs ranged goons. Hes losing a lot but seige just finished.
Mind is in pretty bad shape now, just lost a ton of workers.
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Mind foolishly has his bunker taken out by four ranged goons! He has a tank but will struggle to hold this pressure! SCVs pulled now!
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Mind gets siege and holds his door, we'll see whether his early CC can make up for the SCVs he's lost so far.
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Looks live a reaver drop is coming from DZ.
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DZ takes his third at top left. Looks like he has reavers coming, but Mind has enough turrets and tanks to defend well.
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DZ eliminates the tank at Mind's nat, but Mind replaces it with another before he takes any SCV damage. I think this reaver harass is just a bit too late to be effective.
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Armory going up for Mind, he is still on 2 bases.
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Mind has port and 3rd fac coming. DZ is producing goons and zealots like he might be considering an attempt at breaking Mind's front...
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I see DZ hasn't learned to cannon his expos, he's going to get vulture raided hardcore if he doesn't.
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Three observers cluttered at DZ's robo rally reveal his relatively low skill.
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Yep, here comes the raid. Mind kills some probes.
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Mind shuts down top left with a 2-vult 1-tank drop. Nice.
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Daezang is losing like he did to fantasy.
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Mind is all over DZ's expo's, ripping into probes. DZ has to be feeling it by now.
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Vulture raid on DZ's nat kills quite a few probes - he only has one cannon there. This game appears to be tilting in Mind's favor, but let's remember that DZ still has three bases and a larger army. Mind needs to push out and take a third sometime soon.
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Mind has pretty good tank placement, protoss has to run a marathon to get to the tanks in the back.
Big battles comes out pretty even for both sides. Mind has science vessels out now for some dweb/emp.
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Climax at the center leaves both sides reeling; no definite advantage gained by either. Mind probably coming out on top here.
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Here goes the push....Mind has a crapload of tanks and...2 vessels? I haven't got a peek at DZ's higher tech yet, but he does have quite a few temps running around (which suggests arbs).
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Those storms could have been so much better.
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Massive battle in the middle - DZ does pretty well with some nice storms, hard to tell who came out on top there. DZ stops the push, but Mind holds his ground.
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First arbiter out for DZ, Mind is STILL on two bases. This is really a pretty sad game.
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Lots of HT sniping from mind.
Mind slowpushing, looks to be making ground as the two armies engage and Mind comes out ahead.
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Mind has really good turret placement--stopping all harass attempts...
Arbiters out for DZ.
Mind knows it, has some goliaths out.
Mind pushing out. DZ at major loss as he has to sprint a huge distance to get to Mind's tank line. DZ pulls out, definitely at a disadvantage now.
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And Mind in the Nat, looks like it might be gg soon.
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Mind wins a big battle, hes moving in for the kill it looks like. His tank placement is ridiculous, he spreads them over a huge ass area.
DZ drives mind back and saves his 4th. Lots of probes dying to vultures though.
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Mind is now mixing up his army composition by adding gols, pushing towards DZ's half of the map. Unless DZ can break this push he's screwed - and it doesn't look like he will. Mind's macro is clearly superior.
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DZ holds at his natural, but just barely. Mind now has map control and a significant production advantage. It's only a matter of time......
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Mind's nat and main are both mined out - he's only gathering at bottom left. Not sure how DZ is doing for money, he's been on three bases for a really long time.
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Recall by DZ at minds third deals little damage 6-7 SCVs died for many zlots/goons/temp.
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DZ defends drop at top left and recalls outside Mind's only mining base...it looks like Mind has just totally forgotten to produce units since his last push.
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Nevermind, Mind has a massive army in the middle of the map.
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GG from Daezang..darn no ace match. WeMade takes this.
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And it's the gg.
Daezang just doesn't have it. Great vulture use by Mind there.
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Mind now moving north, there's really nothing DZ can do to stop this one. GG incoming.
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DZ wipes his brow and then types out. Yet another loss for ACE.
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Mind killed so many High Templar with crazy vulture suicide runs.
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STX vs eSTRO has gone to ace match btw. Its going to start soon for any who want to watch.
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On November 02 2008 16:03 Fontong wrote: STX vs eSTRO has gone to ace match btw. Its going to start soon for any who want to watch.
Thanks, I think I will! eSTRO always loses in five sets!
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On November 02 2008 16:04 jwd241224 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2008 16:03 Fontong wrote: STX vs eSTRO has gone to ace match btw. Its going to start soon for any who want to watch. Thanks, I think I will! eSTRO always loses in five sets!
Thanks as well, unless they send out Free. In which case they have a chance.
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On November 02 2008 16:23 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote: I walk away to eat dinner and come back to this? lets see nada again xD
Nada was in the other series.
Calm wins. This is why Fantasy's build opens with mines. One more option against those lurkers.
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On November 02 2008 16:26 thunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2008 16:23 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote: I walk away to eat dinner and come back to this? lets see nada again xD Nada was in the other series. Calm wins. This is why Fantasy's build opens with mines. One more option against those lurkers. This is what I get again for watching two streams at a time.
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I didn't have a chance to post this earlier to here it goes.
Was there something behind Boxer putting that supply depot and barracks outside his base? I understand a proxy barracks, but putting the supply depot there too just seemed weird. And then putting a bunker right in front of it? At first I thought it was just to force the zerg into 9 pooling, but that doesn't seem very beneficial, considering that he just lost the supply depot/bunker a few minutes later.
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On November 02 2008 16:28 pewpew wrote: I didn't have a chance to post this earlier to here it goes.
Was there something behind Boxer putting that supply depot and barracks outside his base? I understand a proxy barracks, but putting the supply depot there too just seemed weird. And then putting a bunker right in front of it? At first I thought it was just to force the zerg into 9 pooling, but that doesn't seem very beneficial, considering that he just lost the supply depot/bunker a few minutes later.
Maybe I just missed something
i was thinking maybe he was forcing a one base vs one base game, and if the zerg was too greedy he would have ended the game then and there
but ya losing his little outpost put him behind...
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On November 02 2008 16:41 dongfeng wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2008 16:28 pewpew wrote: I didn't have a chance to post this earlier to here it goes.
Was there something behind Boxer putting that supply depot and barracks outside his base? I understand a proxy barracks, but putting the supply depot there too just seemed weird. And then putting a bunker right in front of it? At first I thought it was just to force the zerg into 9 pooling, but that doesn't seem very beneficial, considering that he just lost the supply depot/bunker a few minutes later.
Maybe I just missed something i was thinking maybe he was forcing a one base vs one base game, and if the zerg was too greedy he would have ended the game then and there but ya losing his little outpost put him behind...
why would that explain building his supply depot there? if he had just build the barracks there it would've have the same effect... it did look like a bit of a wallish thing, but i dont see what advantage a wall could have there either... maybe he just messed up, cannot think of anything else, cause on top of it being not that great it also made the zerg realize right away something was wrong with no supply in main >.<
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The scouting drone at the beginning of the game took away boxer's strat timing. What he was hoping for is not to get scouted so early and let the zerg take his nat, so he could take the battle to the z's ground forcing him to defend his expo. He got busted. End of story.
I am getting this feeling like he is getting the UpMagic syndrome, trying to pull the cutest trick every game, but since everyone is on alert when playing him, most of his antics fail. I hope something changes when he goes back to SKT1.
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OMG just watch games FOru vs Nada,Daezang vs Mind. ACE's player were so close to victory
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