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its been a while since i last watched a live broadcast...is sc2.org done? is there a way to watch live on a mac?
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Flash < YellOw Kwanro < YoonJoong
Easy choice
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On May 22 2008 18:25 spetial wrote: its been a while since i last watched a live broadcast...is sc2.org done? is there a way to watch live on a mac?
www.yaoyuan.com/live.php
You need TVAnts which you can also download there if you don't have it.
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Easy group for flash, tbh. The other three have a real fight on their hands, though.
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On May 22 2008 18:25 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2008 18:25 spetial wrote: its been a while since i last watched a live broadcast...is sc2.org done? is there a way to watch live on a mac? www.yaoyuan.com/live.phpYou need TVAnts which you can also download there if you don't have it. ty <3 tl quick response
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woo.. GOMplayer is smooth today.
GO FLASH AND YARNC!! win me my 2 points..
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Looks like a better audience turn out compared to the last few days.
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Guys after Flash v Yarnc I'm gonna go get some sleep so I can't update the OP until tomorrow. SORRY! . Just tired as hell
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Wow, Yarnc's ZvZ is 22.2% (2-7) How does any1 think he beats Kwanro when they meet, lol? Kwanro's ZvZ whilst not spectacular is at least not bad
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On May 22 2008 18:36 wurm wrote: Looks like a better audience turn out compared to the last few days.
Yesterday the audience was pretty huge o_O
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On May 22 2008 18:40 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2008 18:36 wurm wrote: Looks like a better audience turn out compared to the last few days. Yesterday the audience was pretty huge o_O
Yeah, i kinda missed OSL and PL yesterday. =D So other than yesterday, audience turnout was pretty poor.
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On May 22 2008 18:40 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2008 18:36 wurm wrote: Looks like a better audience turn out compared to the last few days. Yesterday the audience was pretty huge o_O that was OSL
and you get a big crowd when you have the #1 player playing
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Hidden 3rd hatch for Yarnc at 2. Interesting.
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Hidden expo for Yarnc. Flash going mech (Or at least put down a quick fact)
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Corinthos
Canada1842 Posts
Stream: mms://76.76.9.249:7787
vlc: mmsh://76.76.9.249:7787
edit:
spell out m m s : / / 7 6 . 7 6 . 9 . 2 . 4 . 9 : 7 7 8 7 m m s h : / / 7 6 . 7 6 . 9 . 2 . 4 . 9 : 7 7 8 7
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flash pulls a katrina build
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Starport for Flash? What the hell is he doing?
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On May 22 2008 18:43 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2008 18:40 G.s)NarutO wrote:On May 22 2008 18:36 wurm wrote: Looks like a better audience turn out compared to the last few days. Yesterday the audience was pretty huge o_O that was OSL and you get a big crowd when you have the #1 player playing
We had Flash, Jaedong, NaDa and Jangbi.. and other very good players. No wonder the audience was big =)
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Lol going for quick vessels? I have no idea what Flash is trying but I'm worried he's gonna lose!
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really sorry for this, but how do i actually download TVAnts off YY? no idea how to find it (and the resources for a better SC life just links to the YY page)
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Omg Flash is so fucked. I don't see a comeback for him here
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Beautiful Vessel snipe thar. Looking bad for Flash so far.
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Oh Wow, that was a one-sided rape =D
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WOW. Wtf. Flash just barely survived...
If he wins this some how...
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pimp vessel snipe by yarnc
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Plus Yarnc is still raping SCVs left and right. I hope he didn't forget to pump drones during all this though.
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holy crap how could you have possibly defended this oO
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Flash needs some Boxer-esque micro to win this, plus his godly macro.
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The fuck he just gave birth to a huge army, this kid is nuts.
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thanks corinthos
yarnc..is not making drones..keeping good pressure on flash though
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HOOOLLLY FUCK. Flash might win this shit
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flash pulled out a mass SK army out of his rear
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And his rine upgrades are on 1-2 atm, wtf
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This is insane, Flash just shelled the first nat of Lux without real opposition, even though losing a few vessels to scourge
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On May 22 2008 18:44 Corinthos wrote:Stream: mms://76.76.9.249:7787vlc: mmsh://76.76.9.249:7787 edit: spell out m m s : / / 7 6 . 7 6 . 9 . 2 . 4 . 9 : 7 7 8 7 m m s h : / / 7 6 . 7 6 . 9 . 2 . 4 . 9 : 7 7 8 7 awesome (as usual) tx
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Lux can't gather an army and he keeps losing units left and right while Flash's ball is getting bigger and bigger = aw
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flash abusing savage hacks, massive army out of nowhere
defiler mound morphing for yarnc to defend
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Korea (South)922 Posts
ugh so many opportunities to sandiwich flash's troops...but doesnt take the chance is getting corrupted by irradiate, come on yarnc sandwich plz
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Lux's 2nd nat falls too without opposition, he's on 1 exp vs 1 t exp now
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Defilers out, nydus canal building, let's see how that looming big battle will end!
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flash messed up his multitasking a bit and lost his main force :<
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swarm up for yarnc, but flash with a sizable vessel cloud
...and his ever present huge army of course
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On May 22 2008 18:49 Vasoline73 wrote: Omg Flash is so fucked. I don't see a comeback for him here
On May 22 2008 18:51 poilord wrote: holy crap how could you have possibly defended this oO
On May 22 2008 18:54 Vasoline73 wrote: HOOOLLLY FUCK. Flash might win this shit
On May 22 2008 18:55 Poochi wrote: flash pulled out a mass SK army out of his rear
R O F L
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Lux has rebuilt his first nat, now trying to rebuild his hidden expo too while stalling with linglurkfiler, but he keeps losing units without really killing anything
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On May 22 2008 18:57 Naib wrote: Lux's 2nd nat falls too without opposition, he's on 1 exp vs 1 t exp now
Yarnc is the twin playing today. O_o
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5 vessels 6 tanks and a huge mm ball vs swarmed lurkers and lings, Flash has to retreat but kills a fuckton of shit again
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Flash incorporates 4 bats in his army but he can't break the narrow choke to Lux's main, he gets pushed back again losing vessels and some rines.
edit: he's coming back for more though
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ultra cavern for yarnc, flash with mines
swarm at choke keeping yarnc in the running
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Korea (South)922 Posts
where the fuck is flash pulling all these tanks out of.. -_- h4x
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Lux is doing an awesome job at raping vessels, but he needsq something else too.
FLASH BREAKS IN LOSING HALF HIS ARMY BUT KILLS ULTRA CAVERN WITH 9 BATS AND 7 RINES OMFG
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forget that, he just ran past the swarm with a million guys
in yarnc's main, roasting his drones
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wtf... flash is unreal.
Edit: Referring to InControLs post "A Bold and Speculative WCG Prediction" watch this game InControL, if Flash comes to the Grand Final, foreigners are more than fucked.
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he uses the MMF group as diversion while tanks take out the nydus, a hatchery survives with like 15 hp
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Until a new huge terran army knocksd on the door and razes everything...wow, this IS unreal.
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crapload of firebats incoming
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yarnc's main ceases to exist
flash on 4 bases if his main is still running
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Flash has made 2 extra CCs during all this of course, so his macro isn't suffering Lux gets wiped out of his main and he's only on 3 expos at the top right corner atm.
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Flash isn't even worried.
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On May 22 2008 19:01 uriel- wrote: forget that, he just ran past the swarm with a million guys in yarnc's main, roasting his drones lol
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Korea (South)922 Posts
gg, aawesome irradiates at endd
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yarnc ggs
flash is like jesus
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I feel a tumor evolving just from watching all those irradiates. :/
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Lux GGs out as some Vessels check around top right.
Recommended game even though Lux was sloppy after the initial advantage.
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WOW. Yarnc GG's. That was an epic comeback. Flash looked like he was gonna get raped early game
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my vlc keeps disconecting after a while, anyone knows why ?
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oh my god d-matrixed tanks, flash is nuts
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damn he had a good chance after early advantage, but he threw it away not switching to lurks
it was either he won with that rush or else he died a slow death
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wow...some guy before said it was game over...sounds like a game worth watching
thanks for reports guys
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I only caught the last half of the epic defense by Flash, but if it was as amazing as it looked, it was near pimpest plays material.
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On May 22 2008 19:03 Naib wrote: Lux GGs out as some Vessels check around top right.
Recommended game even though Lux was sloppy after the initial advantage. it's yellow not lux.
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well, THIS is not possible wtf happened this game?
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it feels as if flash always purposedly made us all think this is the game that his opponent may have the chance..then he slams it shut..(like the game against gorilla yesterday)
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flash is a fucking hacker
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On May 22 2008 19:05 Nintu wrote: I only caught the last half of the epic defense by Flash, but if it was as amazing as it looked, it was near pimpest plays material.
Dude he had like 2 marines, a bunker and 6 SCV's vs. Yarnc's 12 zerglings and 10ish mutalisks. I really don't know how he survived. Almost felt like Yarnc wanted him to live and spared him... but it was just because Flash didn't breaka sweat the whole time. Crazy stuff. Glad I stayed up to watch that.
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I think the only way you can beat Flash is Multitasking. I know his multitasking is strong, but its still his weakest point. His mechanics (micro+macro) are just insane. JuNi proofed to kill him with drops everywhere O.O!
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yeah...am i the only one that saw 4 base ( 4 gas yes?) zerg get pwnd by a 2 base ran on the run from muta ling ownage? flash is a fucking mechanics beast....hes iceman terran
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I actually have to wonder if Luxury would have been able to finish what his brother couldn't in that game. Flash turned his defense into a nice comeback after all.
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sick game, highly recommended 5/5
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On May 22 2008 19:07 G.s)NarutO wrote: I think the only way you can beat Flash is Multitasking. I know his multitasking is strong, but its still his weakest point. His mechanics (micro+macro) are just insane. JuNi proofed to kill him with drops everywhere O.O! I think they have better chance just run out of the booth toward Flash booth..knock Flash out cold...hoping that Flash hasn't wiped everything you have while you are moving your way across. Maybe you can wipe Flash out before he regains consciousness.
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if oov opened a new era of macro, flash opened one with upgrades. he sacrifice so much every game just to get early upgrades. barely had enough to survive and then proceed to roll over them.
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On May 22 2008 19:10 bahhh wrote: if oov opened a new era of macro, flash opened one with upgrades. he sacrifice so much every game just to get early upgrades. barely had enough to survive and then proceed to roll over them.
Definitly !!
Upgrades 1st !
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Flash reminds me of oov, when reading these reports...
When oov was at the top, live reports would also go like this: oov loses army, oov gets flanked oov has nothing left gg oov wins.
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Haha oh gawd flash is fucking awesome. I mean really really really fucking awesome.
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it was yarncs total inability to play lategame zvt that lost this game for him. dont all get overexcited flash is good, but against a competent zerg he would have gotten rolled after it was 1 base to 4.
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On May 22 2008 19:13 VenetianSnares wrote: Flash reminds me of oov, when reading these reports...
When oov was at the top, live reports would also go like this: oov loses army, oov gets flanked oov has nothing left gg oov wins.
Exactly.
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On May 22 2008 19:13 VenetianSnares wrote: Flash reminds me of oov, when reading these reports...
When oov was at the top, live reports would also go like this: oov loses army, oov gets flanked oov has nothing left gg oov wins.
ah... i miss cheater terran
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i like that eye in the background. it's like the matrix
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for one second i thought oh fuck flash you lost than like 5 minutes after wtf flash you're winning
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On May 22 2008 19:13 diehilde wrote: it was yarncs total inability to play lategame zvt that lost this game for him. dont all get overexcited flash is good, but against a competent zerg he would have gotten rolled after it was 1 base to 4.
maybe with Jaedong, yes. Any other zerg, that is debateable. Yarnc was expecting a MM heavy army..but Flash comes in with like 6 tanks (and continually adding). I think that's where the difference came in. .Yarnc army was ready (but for a different make up terran army).
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Oh I got carried away livereporting and somehow switched to say Lux instead of Yarnc. Heh, must be yesterday's live report
It's Yarnc, ofc.
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On May 22 2008 19:15 Pepsicolaone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2008 19:13 VenetianSnares wrote: Flash reminds me of oov, when reading these reports...
When oov was at the top, live reports would also go like this: oov loses army, oov gets flanked oov has nothing left gg oov wins.
ah... i miss cheater terran
You are missing one point.
OOv has a huge army, OOv gets flanked, OOv is losing everything and has nothing left! OOv sees his Coach with... BANANAS! OOv wins. GG!
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to say that ANY player making it to the ro32 in the MSL isnt 'competent' is absolutely fucking laughable. flash showed fantastic heart and defense in his last game and his win most certainly wasn't due to yarnc being a bad player.
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On May 22 2008 19:13 diehilde wrote: it was yarncs total inability to play lategame zvt that lost this game for him. dont all get overexcited flash is good, but against a competent zerg he would have gotten rolled after it was 1 base to 4. are you kidding me?
yarnc gave up his drone whoring time to go for the finishing blow, which failed miserably. after that he had to keep going with mutas, trying to delay the inevitable ball that would form. flash had 3-1 ups ridiculously quickly too. not only that, but flash would just siege up, kill a hatch and then run away, and never engage yarnc's main army. so really yarnc only had 1 more expo than flash.
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kwanro is 1-6 vs p lawl nubcake
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On May 22 2008 19:17 Naib wrote:Oh I got carried away livereporting and somehow switched to say Lux instead of Yarnc. Heh, must be yesterday's live report It's Yarnc, ofc.
We don't know if its YarnC :p! Prove it? :D
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shuttle vs kwanro
kwanro brown Z at 1 shuttle purple P at 5
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On May 22 2008 19:13 diehilde wrote: it was yarncs total inability to play lategame zvt that lost this game for him. dont all get overexcited flash is good, but against a competent zerg he would have gotten rolled after it was 1 base to 4. You're calling yarnc an incompetent zerg? Are you serious?
Yarnc is a top 5 zvt player in the world at the moment He lost because he sacrificed drone production for a long time to pressure flash heavily. When it collapsed, even with many bases his drone count was far from where it needed to be to outpace flash's perfectly controled heavily upgraded army.
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Just ignore diehilde, he always has that aggressive attitude towards everything if you read his comments as of late...
And Yarnc did switch to lurks in time, he had a massive lurklingscourgemuta army the first time Flash pushed out, but he kept on losing it bit by bit instead of engaging, while Flash just built up more and more - imo, he shouldn't have teched to hive too fast but focus on a lair army to take out the initial push. Afterall, it was 3 exp vs 1, no need to get greedy with teching too.
His fault, clearly, but Flash still played VERY good. That's it. Check that game
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man, if Yarnc couldn't kill Flash when he was that close...i doubt if the winner of these two would
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shuttle finds kwanro immediately with early scout
standard FE for shuttle, walls with forge gate
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YoonJong is not that bad as the LB for this game will show (90% vote for Kwanro I predict), but he's not good
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On May 22 2008 19:20 Naib wrote:Just ignore diehilde, he always has that aggressive attitude towards everything if you read his comments as of late... And Yarnc did switch to lurks in time, he had a massive lurklingscourgemuta army the first time Flash pushed out, but he kept on losing it bit by bit instead of engaging, while Flash just built up more and more - imo, he shouldn't have teched to hive too fast but focus on a lair army to take out the initial push. Afterall, it was 3 exp vs 1, no need to get greedy with teching too. His fault, clearly, but Flash still played VERY good. That's it. Check that game no, i disagree that he should have stayed with lair tech to get a few more lurkers. flash had superior positioning. in fact, the only thing that kept yarnc alive that long were his dark swarms. i don't think the switch to ultras was good, but i don't really know what else he should have done. i think maybe abusing defilers with plague would have been better, but i'm not a zerg player so what do i know.
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kwanro puts his third hatch at gas, pumping drones
shuttle's immortal scout probe finds a sneaky min only expo attempt
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Wow, 3 extra hatches on 3 expoes, but the scouting probe finds the 3rd too.
Greedy Kwanro
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man I hope flash doesn't make it out of the round
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so Flash vs. Yarnc summary as thus:
Flash goes 14cc, it's scouted and slowed down by Yarnc. Yarnc goes 2 hatch pool with 3rd hatch at 2 o clock nat hidden.
Using extractor trick, Yarnc's drone stays alive long enough to scout refinery and quick factory
Flash's scv with 5 hp escapes 4 lings to glimpse the 2 o clock nat's creep (and gets nailed by the sunk Yarnc has put there).
Flash kills drone, decides to switch strat to mnm with quick starport/vessel plus dual engi bays for quick ups while pressuring with initial mnm group to make Yarnc sunk up.
Yarnc runs ling past mnm group, sees what Flash is doing
He then gets mutas and quick scourge, incorporates scourge into muta ball and proceeds to take down Flash's first vessel. However, because Yarnc is putting so many drones on gas, he can't make a lot of drones and his eco is tilted heavily toward gas.
Endless mutas/lings proceed to rape Flash's main repeatedly, and take down about 20 scvs and marines.
However, in order to keep up this sort of pressure, Yarnc doesn't make drones and sacs econ.
Flash with awesome defensive tactics, keeps killing Yarnc's stuff. Crucially, Yarnc continues running things into Flash's main even after Flash gets the first "critical mass" marine ball up and running--this means that Yarnc is essentially wasting larva.
Meanwhile, Flash continues to macro and mass vessels throughout the harass, plus capitalize off his 14cc.
He pushes out when first couple tanks are done, crucially, they have all been repaired, as have the vessels. The push is successful and takes down Yarnc's home nat. Yarnc delays with about 12 lurks but they are irradiated by flash's 4 vessels. Flash then pushes up to Yarnc's top corner expos and takes down 2 o clock nat while double expanding himself.
Throughout this time, Yarnc threw his forces piecemeal against a critical mass ball instead of waiting for a good flanking opportunity.
Yarnc takes down flash's army, but Flash's new expos and macro adv give him a new ball #2 just in time, which he moves to Yarnc's nat choke.
Yarnc finally gets swarm, but is down economically. Crucially, flash's attack comes just before consume finishes research/the popping of Yarnc's first Nydus, which means Yarnc has to waste yet more larvae to stall flash.
Then Flash proceeds to rape Yarnc's main by abusing tanks, bats, and Yarnc's retarded Ultra timing. He keeps on irradiating defilers, and keeping Yarnc bottled up at his choke, negating the Hive level mobility of Z. He then sees that swarm is only covering a paltry amount of forces and runs his infantry past swarm into main, where he proceeds to take down ultra cavern and take 2 hatches down to 1/3rd health.
Infantry from ball #2 die.
Tanks follow infantry as soon as swarm lifts and finish off hatches, then new ball #3 comes and wastes Yarnc's main (hive, evo chambers, pool, den, 20 drones) plus Yarnc's original nat (another 10 drones).
Yarnc dies. Flash moves vessels up to 2 o clock, irradiates scourge, which are the only things other than mutas, drones and overlords that Yarnc can build by now, and loses only 2 vessels out of 7.
Yarnc ggs, and Flash shows us why he not only understands Terran, but understood Zerg, and the importance of larvae and Zerg eco management better than Yarnc did this game.
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Oh that probe snipe on that drone to finish it off was sick lol.
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shuttle with savage probe rape, 2 kill probe now
kwanro hydra den with no lair
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On May 22 2008 19:23 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2008 19:20 Naib wrote:Just ignore diehilde, he always has that aggressive attitude towards everything if you read his comments as of late... And Yarnc did switch to lurks in time, he had a massive lurklingscourgemuta army the first time Flash pushed out, but he kept on losing it bit by bit instead of engaging, while Flash just built up more and more - imo, he shouldn't have teched to hive too fast but focus on a lair army to take out the initial push. Afterall, it was 3 exp vs 1, no need to get greedy with teching too. His fault, clearly, but Flash still played VERY good. That's it. Check that game no, i disagree that he should have stayed with lair tech to get a few more lurkers. flash had superior positioning. in fact, the only thing that kept yarnc alive that long were his dark swarms. i don't think the switch to ultras was good, but i don't really know what else he should have done. i think maybe abusing defilers with plague would have been better, but i'm not a zerg player so what do i know.
He could have had a larger army if he didn't go for Hive that fast, he should have engaged Flash in the open. His army wasn't far inferior until he got cornered into his nat.
But who knows, I think he kept on the pressure for too long, and lost too much. Shoulda abandoned the campaign earlier for more drones, imo.
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lol so much excitement over a probe finding kwanro's expo haha
"AHHHH AHHH AHHH"
the probe had 1hp left lolol
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shuttle realizes the heavy hydra crap coming
spams cannons and gateways
sneaky kwanro lairs at his min only
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CA10824 Posts
SICK MOVING SHOT WITH THE PROBE!!
2 kills on the probe lol
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On May 22 2008 19:24 himurakenshin wrote: man I hope flash doesn't make it out of the round lol good luck with that
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On May 22 2008 19:23 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2008 19:20 Naib wrote:Just ignore diehilde, he always has that aggressive attitude towards everything if you read his comments as of late... And Yarnc did switch to lurks in time, he had a massive lurklingscourgemuta army the first time Flash pushed out, but he kept on losing it bit by bit instead of engaging, while Flash just built up more and more - imo, he shouldn't have teched to hive too fast but focus on a lair army to take out the initial push. Afterall, it was 3 exp vs 1, no need to get greedy with teching too. His fault, clearly, but Flash still played VERY good. That's it. Check that game no, i disagree that he should have stayed with lair tech to get a few more lurkers. flash had superior positioning. in fact, the only thing that kept yarnc alive that long were his dark swarms. i don't think the switch to ultras was good, but i don't really know what else he should have done. i think maybe abusing defilers with plague would have been better, but i'm not a zerg player so what do i know. Agreed. When terran has you out upgraded, staying with lair is a very bad idea. Even if the zerg army is larger a very skilled, like flash, can crush it with relatively very few losses. Upgrades are soso important for zerg to be ahead in or at least even if you're trying to stop the ball at lair level.
Defiler abuse was pretty much yarnc's only option in that situation.
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shuttle teching to storm, he might not know that kwanro already has lair tech up
shuttle ATTACKS with speed zealots! hydras die
zeals find the outlying lair, another zeal magically causing chaos in kwanro's main
zeals everywhere
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On May 22 2008 19:26 LosingID8 wrote: lol so much excitement over a probe finding kwanro's expo haha
"AHHHH AHHH AHHH"
the probe had 1hp left lolol Well it WAS a big deal. They were reacting like that because its a HUGE difference in how safe protoss has to play if he scouts the 3rd hatch expo or not.
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Nice multitask by YoonJong, but he's unlucky
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lucky overlord pops just in time to prevent too much damage to the lair. 3 drone losses though.
stormers and goon range upping for shuttle, staying on 2 bases as of now
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stormer sniped
shuttle adding more goons to his army while kwanro sticks with mass hydra
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Not protecting/using his temps well at all though.
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Is it just me or are the commentators amazing? I wonder if they read the "Starcraft declining is korea" thread and have been told to spice things up.. I love it.
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another stormer sniped, but shuttle looks to be taking out kwanro's third gas
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Ok tat was much better
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On May 22 2008 19:28 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2008 19:26 LosingID8 wrote: lol so much excitement over a probe finding kwanro's expo haha
"AHHHH AHHH AHHH"
the probe had 1hp left lolol Well it WAS a big deal. They were reacting like that because its a HUGE difference in how safe protoss has to play if he scouts the 3rd hatch expo or not. oh yeah i agree that it definitely was a big deal but you rarely hear that much excitement from the commentators in the first 3 minutes of a game
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Wow, this game's intense. Too bad Kwanro is kinda sucking here.
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What confuses me is the lack of happiness on Flash face in the last few days, like he didnt give a shit if he won, and he is looking very tired.
Otherwise he is playing godly
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Goddamnit Kwanro, why don't you play this bad versus SKT?
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His drone count is too low. Hard to recover because you have to use all available larvae for units.
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Why is Kwanro suiciding shit instead of finally macroing up though?
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Kwarnro completely failed to upgrade it seems. Which is pretty unacceptable for an MSL ro32er imo.
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kwanro saves his third gas, but shuttle has secured his as well
shuttle finally using storms well, kwanro down to 2 gas i think
shuttle with goon + temp army and +2 attack, kwanro 0/0/0
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Korea (South)922 Posts
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kwanro finally loses the hatch at his third base
still staying on lair hydralurk, getting raped by storm
finally ggs
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Knew I shoulda bet YoonJong, damnit.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
Damn, Yoonjoong is fuckin' good!
goodlookin kid too
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On May 22 2008 19:36 Naib wrote: Knew I shoulda bet YoonJong, damnit.
#2 :|
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flash is gonna get medieval on yoon though.
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the question is..will flash make it look close..or will he just over power? I prefer the first...it makes live commenting much more fun
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yeah easy advance for flash
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shuttle had good multitask that game
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YoonJoong > Flash would be lol :D
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On May 22 2008 19:43 Ilikestarcraft wrote: shuttle had good multitask that game
more like kwanro played like a retard lol.. no wonder hes 1-5 zvp, well 1-6 after that
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On May 22 2008 19:37 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Damn, Yoonjoong is fuckin' good!
goodlookin kid too This game isnt a really good indication of his skill. It does show that he can stop a hydra all in, which is something I suppose. But a lot of players can do that.
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that wasn't even a hydra all in, that was a lets-build-hydras-so--i-can-watch-them-die
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flash cyan at 2, shuttle yellow at 6
flash games are always exciting =x
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no spires, no upgrade, just hydras and a few lurkers, no hive tech nada nothing just hydras dying
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On May 22 2008 19:48 bahhh wrote: that wasn't even a hydra all in, that was a lets-build-hydras-so--i-can-watch-them-die It really was, the first strike is critical and if it fails you're way behind the whole game.
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On May 22 2008 19:50 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2008 19:48 bahhh wrote: that wasn't even a hydra all in, that was a lets-build-hydras-so--i-can-watch-them-die It really was, the first strike is critical and if it fails you're way behind the whole game.
he already teched hive when i starting moving in i think.. he wasn't even commited, besides getting 2 cannons and dying hydras.. his timign was shit too lol
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yaouyuan dead only for me?
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shuttle pressures with zealot
flash sees it coming, decides to let zeal go up ramp before raping it with rine micro losing nothing. what a jerk.
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not only YY but the mms and mmsh steams as well:-((
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i think he was kind of forced to go all in hydra. he tried to play the macro game with many bases early on but he then lost quite a few drones and if he kept trying to rebuild his economy and then go on for a macro style he would be so far behind and be rolled over. so he decided to attempt to break the defenses with all in hydra which was very wise imo. yoonjoong had to pull some probes to help defend. if he had been careless the game could have ended there
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Lol flash got his scv in all the way..this is huge. He can completely skip turrets for now.
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looks like siege expo from flash, shuttle responds by taking his own nat
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On May 22 2008 19:53 M2 wrote: not only YY but the mms and mmsh steams as well:-((
So watch it on GOM then.
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so the only thing working is daum which is buffering like hell for me =(
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damn kwanro cant do a single thing right - beats hyun and now loses to a noname noob ...
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more like yoon didnt' think he was that retarded and rushed in that early so he had cannons late
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flash moves out with 4 tanks and rines
this could be problematic, shuttle throws up a support bay but he took expo with only one gate
flash setting up the contain already with turrets and stuff, perfect timing again
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Or do an absolutely sick timing push because he knows there is no possible dt
Such a smart move there.
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miserable attempt by shuttle to break with his shuttle
shuttle going to lose nat nexus
fastest rape ever
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this is so over lol.. gg, stream died i didnt' see shit until flash was sieging up right in front of shuttle's nat
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lol @ getting contained like that. -_-
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I only have YY in this pc.... T.T
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way too easy for Lee Young Ho
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shuttle ggs
flash decided he wanted dinner
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flash showed he doesn't need to turtle for 3/3 with terran.. dont fuck with him lol he can play aggressively too
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Seriously, letting that scv scout his base completely was SO big. Let flash know the perfect timing and allowed him to move out when he did with no risk.
One gate obs is such a fragile build, especially if you let T see it.
If flash doesnt get his scv in and is forced to guess what P is doing, That push DOES NOT HAPPEN at all. If T is blind he can't risk a push like that because if hes wrong it will have a strong chance of costing him the game.
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shuttle was still pretty confused as to wtf just happened hahah, he thought he was the agresser
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On May 22 2008 19:57 bahhh wrote: flash showed he doesn't need to turtle for 3/3 with terran.. dont fuck with him lol he can play aggressively too Just like last OSL again Stork.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
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biggest mistake by shuttle, letting flash see 1gate
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On May 22 2008 19:59 Pepsicolaone wrote: biggest mistake by shuttle, letting flash see 1gate Ya think?
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If anyone asks you what timing is, show him this game o-o
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flash ez advance. The only person who i thought could knock flash out is jaedong and hes not looking good lately
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Well, Flash gets out of this group easily.
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yeah im calling yarnc an incompetent zerg when it comes to zvt lategame. his defiler abuse wasnt good enough. flash didnt have such a huge army that he couldnt have been hold off forever with _good_ defiler abuse on the 2 chokepoints. unfortunately yarnc couldnt keep up with defiler reproduction and reswarming in time. Also, by "competent" I mean jaedong/savior/ggplay lategame zvt. any of those 3 has good enough defiler abuse and would have won in that situation imo. (of cus only in good form, aka savior in slump² mode wouldnt win against anybody atm).
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not sure but from what I saw in this tournament only terrans left, 1 zerg and few protosses..
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lol@diehilde after massive backpedaling
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On May 22 2008 20:00 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2008 19:59 Pepsicolaone wrote: biggest mistake by shuttle, letting flash see 1gate Ya think? Apparently, he does.
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nice 9pool vs 12 hatch!! yellow has this
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On May 22 2008 20:05 diehilde wrote: yeah im calling yarnc an incompetent zerg when it comes to zvt lategame. his defiler abuse wasnt good enough. flash didnt have such a huge army that he couldnt have been hold off forever with _good_ defiler abuse on the 2 chokepoints. unfortunately yarnc couldnt keep up with defiler reproduction and reswarming in time. Also, by "competent" I mean jaedong/savior/ggplay lategame zvt. any of those 3 has good enough defiler abuse and would have won in that situation imo. (of cus only in good form, aka savior in slump² mode wouldnt win against anybody atm).
You are ignorant and incompetent. As a lot of players with great analysis skills told you before YarnC played a low econ style which gave him the edge over Flash in early game. After that failed kill-attempt he was way behind even though he killed lots of units and economy. He was on 4 bases which rarely had economy so it basically was a 2 or most a 3 base zerg if you going to count his income to that time.
Also the map really is hard to handle for zerg. You can swarm as good as you want, if you don't have the units to support your swarms. Flash could easily dodge the swarms and went for another expansion. Thats why YarnC lost that game. He just hadn't the units to support swarms and Flash was very well aware of scourge and didn't lose to many vessels.
Now please shut your mouth and acknowledge the enormous ability to win that game. YarnC did mistakes, but Flash played awesome. No shame to lose.
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what happened that game it started with 12 hatch vs 9 pool than the stream stopped and when I had it back looked like both of them are in even postiions startingh with 9 pool
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Sick control by kwanro this game.
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Haha, this game is so ridicilous and cool at the same time. :D
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awesome zvz
epic scourge battles of attrition
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yarnc is screwed, gg any moment now
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sucks to be yellow, out of both leagues =(
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Kwanro hits his head on the door leaving? lol
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Catyoul
France2377 Posts
That was a crazy comeback by Kwanro.
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lol idiot bangs his head lol
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Catyoul
France2377 Posts
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when are they gonna fix the size of those damn doors edit: wow daum player looks so good. I can sit back on my bed and still watch the game on my monitor because of large resolution and no lag!
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I don't think we'll see that one of the twins leaving his OSL group. : (
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Ya he had a huge advantage and lost it. As a progamer it would suck SO bad losing as a 9 pool against 12 hatch.
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On May 22 2008 20:24 HaXxorIzed wrote: I don't think we'll see that one of the twins leaving his OSL group. : ( Pretty sure that won't happen tonight, since this is MSL.
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On May 22 2008 20:28 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2008 20:24 HaXxorIzed wrote: I don't think we'll see that one of the twins leaving his OSL group. : ( Pretty sure that won't happen tonight, since this is MSL.
The way Yellow[arnc] has been handling his zvz, we'll be seeing it nevertheless. Which is a shame.
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On May 22 2008 20:14 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2008 20:05 diehilde wrote: yeah im calling yarnc an incompetent zerg when it comes to zvt lategame. his defiler abuse wasnt good enough. flash didnt have such a huge army that he couldnt have been hold off forever with _good_ defiler abuse on the 2 chokepoints. unfortunately yarnc couldnt keep up with defiler reproduction and reswarming in time. Also, by "competent" I mean jaedong/savior/ggplay lategame zvt. any of those 3 has good enough defiler abuse and would have won in that situation imo. (of cus only in good form, aka savior in slump² mode wouldnt win against anybody atm). You are ignorant and incompetent. As a lot of players with great analysis skills told you before YarnC played a low econ style which gave him the edge over Flash in early game. After that failed kill-attempt he was way behind even though he killed lots of units and economy. He was on 4 bases which rarely had economy so it basically was a 2 or most a 3 base zerg if you going to count his income to that time. Also the map really is hard to handle for zerg. You can swarm as good as you want, if you don't have the units to support your swarms. Flash could easily dodge the swarms and went for another expansion. Thats why YarnC lost that game. He just hadn't the units to support swarms and Flash was very well aware of scourge and didn't lose to many vessels. Now please shut your mouth and acknowledge the enormous ability to win that game. YarnC did mistakes, but Flash played awesome. No shame to lose.
Yeah ok I admit Yellow[arnc] is one of the great Zergs. His accomplishments so far and his current form make him an absolute top tier zerg. Also you cannot pump enough units and defilers off 2-3 base econ to hold off a weakened 2 base t on 2 chokepoints. Sad to see one of the best Zs around nowadays go out in 0-2 in both starleagues group stages... /irony
gtfo terran lover ;D also yeah great flame towards me, obviously were all not only imcompetent but TOTAL NOOBS compared to the lowest pros, u included. I am amazed that every time u critizise a pro some douchebag like u has to point out that compared to them u are a bad player. o rly??
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if kwanro doesnt 5 pool or 9 pool hes going to lose
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yellow is 0-2 in his osl group, hes practically out already..
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he still will have chances if july loses next game I think edit: or actually no..
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hah only zerg to qualify so far is Jaedong, but still there is hope if kwanro wins and next group zerg wins too
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3 of them have to enter a tie breaker and he has to win that tiebreak, he practically has no chance
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nice harass from kwanro, running past cannon, killing a pylon in main and a few probes.
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shuttle gg's after kwanro flies in with 8 mutas and rapes 2 unfinished cannons.
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Wow thanks. That was amazingly fast.
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Catyoul
France2377 Posts
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On May 22 2008 20:34 Kaolla wrote: so inconsistent >_<; Kwanro uses very risky harassment centered builds usually.
Even when he had success it was due in large part to his 3 hatch muta/ling all in with very very low drones on blue storm.
He was very good at executing that build and terrans, at that time, were weak to it, especially on a map completely suited for it like blue storm.
Those kinds of builds are always going to be inconsistant against rock solid players.
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weak play by protoss and I do mean super weak, very very weak, omg so weak pathetic weak o_O
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On May 22 2008 20:48 Worked! wrote: weak play by protoss and I do mean super weak, very very weak, omg so weak pathetic weak o_O so you mean he played kind of + Show Spoiler +,uh?
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
o.O?? whats happening lol
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did they stop playing or what <.<
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
yeah wtf is happening suddenly eveyrone stopped tlaking here -_--;
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Winners Match and Losers Match are already at Nevake. I'm watching now, as if it were live, not knowing the results.
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Flash is so damn strong now it's not even funny :-s
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lol @ Winners Match: Flash building a whole base in the enemy natural. Depots, Turrets, Bunker. I was waiting for the CC.
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looool everyone: Go kwanro! next minute: silence.
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lol @ Losers Match: Yarnc vs. Kwanro, pure Muta/Scourge. At one time, neither one has Mutas left. And they kept building Scourge. For like 2 minutes it was Scourge vs. Scourge. Finally Kwanro builds new Mutas and wins.
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the vod uploading is so fast
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KWANROOOOOOOOOO <3
Nevake your so fucking fast man, wow.
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Some serious Kwanrownage in the final match.
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Melbourne5338 Posts
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Flash vs Yarnc is game of the year so far in my book.
The vessel snipe by Yarnc made me scream out loud, and he continued pounding Flash until it was down to one bunker and Flash, by sheer power of will hangs on.
The camera showed his face harden, and I thought to myself if Flash can come back, it would be the greatest comeback I'd ever seen.
He did it in such a fashion too. Perfect tank positioning, sick macro, and then using 2 d-matrixed tanks to steam roll his way through Yarncs choke.
I knew Flash was good, but it is becoming apparent to me that Flash isn't just good, and he's more than Great
Flash is the Bonjwa.
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it was never about "getting back". flash is always on top of his game, he knows that if he can get those early vessels and fight off the mutas with a little bit of turret/m&m/bunker pwnage he will win.
he is indeed the new bonjwa. the two games he lost this season was BO4fun.
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Interesting, all the T's thumbdown Tiamat except for Canata
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United States20661 Posts
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yoonojong was way too confidence in his first game victory, lol. but thanks for the free win for Flash.
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is awesome32244 Posts
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Thanks for this, it will definitly be in Mind's best interest to win his group instead of taking second. Good thing his group is weak.
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Anyone excited that we might get a Flash vs LuCifer Finals?
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United States1653 Posts
On May 23 2008 06:31 Tinithor wrote: Anyone excited that we might get a Flash vs LuCifer Finals?
Depends if you think he can beat Jaedong.
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On May 23 2008 07:11 Sigrun wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2008 06:31 Tinithor wrote: Anyone excited that we might get a Flash vs LuCifer Finals? Depends if you think he can beat Jaedong. He cant....so no, I'm not too excited.
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I think Lucifer has a good chance given his play as of lately
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United States20661 Posts
Lucifer's on an 8-win rampage; unfortunately his only vs Z win was against the lacklustre Shark.
I hope he can pull it out over Jaedong though. KTF pride.
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wonder if theres gonna be an upset in this MSL season 0_0 hopefully Mind wins his group 2-0 becuz i dont wanna see him play against Flash so early T.T
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I think that LuCifer can beat jaedong considering the way they have been playing lately. ZvP has never been Jaedong's strongpoint either.
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Lol-tosses don't like Othello, and Terrans don't like Tiamat, or is this just individual preferences you think?
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On May 23 2008 03:38 diggurd wrote: it was never about "getting back". flash is always on top of his game, he knows that if he can get those early vessels and fight off the mutas with a little bit of turret/m&m/bunker pwnage he will win.
he is indeed the new bonjwa. the two games he lost this season was BO4fun.
Don't dismiss Canata THAT easily-oh, you're not talking about him...gogo right?
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On May 22 2008 20:47 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Kwanro uses very risky harassment centered builds usually. Even when he had success it was due in large part to his 3 hatch muta/ling all in with very very low drones on blue storm. He was very good at executing that build and terrans, at that time, were weak to it, especially on a map completely suited for it like blue storm. Those kinds of builds are always going to be inconsistant against rock solid players.
Which is why I'm pretty sure he's happy he didn't have to face Flash and was unconcerned at beginning of losers match-he knew he'd lose one of to flash if not the P
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