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Banner by KizZBGThe Players Jaedong recently tore up many of the best progaming has to offer, going on an incredible 24-3 run from December up to the middle of this month, winning the last OSL and smashing his way into this semifinal match. Since then, he has looked somewhat more mortal, but still very strong. Tonight he'll be playing the defending champion in a matchup where he has seen no serious challenger other than Flash in a long time.
Mind is the defending champion, surprising the world with major upsets against Savior and Bisu to take the title. Since then his play has been very solid, developing into a new ace for his team in proleague and making it back to the semifinals here, albeit against weaker opposition this time. Mind has excellent game sense and makes very few mistakes, which will be necessary tonight, as his opponent tends to punish even small mistakes very severely.
While most would likely rate Jaedong the stronger player in this matchup, the maps tend to favor Mind. Will Jaedong continue on his path to break the mighty OSL curse, or will Mind take another step toward defending his title?
Results+ Show Spoiler +Jaedong < MindJaedong > Mind Jaedong > Mind Jaedong > Mind Jaedong 3:1 Mind Jaedong advances to the finals!
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Apparently I proofread everything except the title before submitting If a mod could fix the bracket in my title that'd be great.
I figured since the other thread was setup for hype it'd be good to have a nicely formatted live report thread as well.
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Best match of the MSL will happen in 2 hours.
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United States1651 Posts
I'm definitely leaning towards Jaedong- Mind's TvZ has yet to impress me.
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I'm leaning toward Mind to impress.
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CA10824 Posts
My prediction:
Mind 3-2
Jaedong W < Loki II > Mind Jaedong < Katrina > W Mind Jaedong W < Blue Storm > Mind Jaedong W < Zodiac > W Mind Jaedong < Loki II > W Mind
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I have a feeling this will be quite epic.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
holy shit i totally forgot this was on tonight :O!!
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I'm predicting and hoping for Jaedong to win 3-1, maybe 3-0, but I tried to keep that bias out of the OP as much as possible.
Also since this is my first time setting one of these threads up, if anyone has any comments or criticism on my layout, I'd appreciate it.
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Mind's TvZ is his weak spot, Jaedong should take this
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I think jaedong has this, but I don't think he's very confident, so ill say 3-2 in his favor. Must've missed something, but whats with the "Banner by KizZBG/pachi" when there isn't a banner?
The OSL banners work for me, but I've never seen the GSI or MSL banners LosingID8.
The links to the banners work, but the images don't show up in the threads, odd. Thanks for the help ID8.
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CA10824 Posts
On February 28 2008 17:02 .kaz wrote: I think jaedong has this, but I don't think he's very confident, so ill say 3-2 in his favor. Must've missed something, but whats with the "Banner by KizZBG/pachi" when there isn't a banner? there is one...
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so much for sleeping... Go MIND FIGHTING!!!
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CA10824 Posts
huh weird, do you have images blocked or something o_O
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JAEDONG FIGHTING 1HOUR left
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Mind for the win. His timing/strategy is impressive, so I am curious as to what he'll offer against Jaedong.
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I've never thought much of Mind. He's pretty good, but I just don't think of him as top tier, and I'd say his TvZ is is weakest matchup.
I think Jaedong takes this 3-1 or 3-0
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Here's to hoping for a lag-free stream, and some good games
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United States10774 Posts
I want Mind to win but I think JD will take it 3-1 or 3-2
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predictions:
Jaedong > Mind @ Loki Jaedong < Mind @ Katrina Jaedong > Mind @ Blue Storm Jaedong > Mind @ Zodiac
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If Jaedong loses this he's not bonjwa material.
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Jaedong is gonna rape Mind silly leaving him with a bloody, gaping arsehole that's big enough for a slumping sAviOr to crawl up and hatch a few larva that's going to Infest the Terran Mind! Hope I didn't overdue that
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predictions:
Jaedong < Mind @ Loki Jaedong < Mind @ Katrina Jaedong < Mind @ Blue Storm
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Jaedong < Mind @ Loki Jaedong < Mind @ Katrina Jaedong > Mind @ Blue Storm Jaedong < Mind @ Zodiac
I believe.. it may look insane though!
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Germany2762 Posts
i really don't like mind, but i think he'll give jaedong a very good fight today. nevertheless i don't think that mind is able to win this. he'll take the game on katrina, but that's it.
3-1 in favor for jaedong.
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I think JD is going to win this, but I'm not sure. Remember back in the MSL where Mind first appeared? Nobody thought he would beat iloveoov, but he did. Then Savior, and then Bisu. Mind isn't a guy to be underestimated. I still think JD will win this though
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dont really care who wins but zvp final would be nice.
so gogo JD!
hope it goes to game 5
GG
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Jaedong < Mind Jaedong > Mind Jaedong < Mind Jaedong > Mind Jaedong < Mind
Mind 3-2. I really want to see Mind win another MSL
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wahooooooo link is working already commercials goign on!!!!!! perfect stream for me so far
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United States17042 Posts
Mind's m and m control imo is going to fail him. jaedong in 5
Jaedong < Mind Jaedong > Mind Jaedong > Mind Jaedong < Mind Jaedong > Mind
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who else is praying gomtv doesn't fail hard?
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WOOHOO GOMTV TRADEMARK SLIDESHOW
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On February 28 2008 18:29 BWdero wrote: who else is praying gomtv doesn't fail hard?
gom has failed me only once in the dozens of times I have watched it. Unfortunately that one time was during an MSL final game 5
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On February 28 2008 18:31 kNyTTyM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 18:29 BWdero wrote: who else is praying gomtv doesn't fail hard? gom has failed me only once in the dozens of times I have watched it. Unfortunately that one time was during an MSL final game 5
That's odd, the only time GomTV has given me a legit stream was last MSL finals
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743/1283 votes for jaedong (58%)
540/1283 votes for mind (42%)
poll on gomtv i think.
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So stoked on these games. Fuck yes.
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yaoyuan = = isn't looking too good either^^
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I have mind 3-2.
GomTV is perfect for me But I made sure to tune in before the match started. I think that helps a lot.
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Let'seeee gooooo!! fuck work!
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Mind pulls some nice moves in these rewinds.
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hey guys sorry for the newbie question but where do i watch this live ? :s
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live reports are thx ;O fuck school.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Lots of people predicting Mind to win. That's surprising. Mind =/= Flash.
Besides Flash never really beat JD straing up so if Mind plays JD straight up he will get BRUTALLY RAPED.
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On February 28 2008 18:36 G.s)NarutO wrote: live reports are thx ;O fuck school. I'll do it
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dundundundun dun dun beamer time
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I'm gonna watch this in style
FULL SCREEN MODE
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Ya I have Full Screen in High Quality its nice
It's like watching it on TV in Korea except the stream freezes and skips occasionally.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Lol Mind's alltime TvZ record is 9-8. Weak!
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jaedongs records amaze me every time i see them
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fuck sakes
^^
yaoyuan, why fail me :O
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I'm currently on a 9 game voting streak in liquibet, gogo jeadong for the double digits!
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Now I need to get internet for the next 4 hours... T-T damn this will be hard since we don't have an IT based class now--a
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On February 28 2008 18:41 BWdero wrote: I'm currently on a 9 game voting streak in liquibet, gogo jeadong for the double digits! highest ive ever reached is 9 too hope i can pass it ha
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On February 28 2008 18:40 Elsi wrote: fuck sakes
^^
yaoyuan, why fail me :O Honestly, I have never once gotten YY to work. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, or if I'm doing anything wrong, but I dono't trust that stream. At least it doesn't seem to require much in the way of installation.
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predictions:
Jaedong > Mind Jaedong > Mind Jaedong > Mind
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lag stream
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Looks like mind has fans now
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Jesus Christ YY is constantly freezing and I need the GOM TV that I already have! I just wanna watch this single Goddamn match I've been dying to see! Argh this sucks but just hope Jaedong pulls through and all is fine again
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HERE WE FUCKIN GO!!! Game one On Loki 2
Jaedong is at 3
Mind at 9
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lol am i not a hardcore jaedong fan if i choose to go to sleep now because i usually wake up for school in 5 hours?
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woo starting~
Jaedong making some faces at the camera
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United States17042 Posts
jaedong at 3, mind at 8 on loki 2
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Both players wisely mining minerals.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
I expect nothing but the best fucking ZvT from Jaedong right now.
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Jaedong is interestingly scouting cross the map with his ovie.
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Wohoo, it's starting! I'm entering fullscreen, talk to ya'lll later
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On February 28 2008 18:45 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Both players wisely mining minerals. It's funny how often you see progamers forget to do this at the start.
Lets go Jaedong!
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Ovie built first, mind makes a supply depot.
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On February 28 2008 18:44 noojOh wrote: lol am i not a hardcore jaedong fan if i choose to go to sleep now because i usually wake up for school in 5 hours?
you are not a starcraft fan then-.-
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so far so good, don't fail me now gomtv, and is that some proxy barracks i see?
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
On February 28 2008 18:45 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Jaedong is interestingly scouting cross the map with his ovie. Hey he's scouting in the correct direction tho. He's got the Savior.
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is that a PROXY RAX I spy
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United States17042 Posts
that's an awsome proxy rax- and jaedong scouted only 1 rax with a drone. This is gonna be ugly
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YES MIND TAKES OUT AN OVIE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MAP!
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ofuck
Jaedong lost an overlord too
this could be so bad
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Fuck Mind, learn to play straight up you noob Terrans
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jaedong is getting screwed here...
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sounds like 1 rax main and 1 rax proxy jaedong -1 ovi = fucked.
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SCV MARINE RUSH BUT JAEDONG WILL HAVE A SUNKEN IN TIME, WILL THE MARINES BE ABLE TO TAKE IT DOWN?!
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SUNKEN IS DOWN JAEDONG DESPERATELY TRYING TO DEFEND BUT THE SCVS ARE THERE AND THE HASTILY BUILT CREEPS ARE USELESS THE HATCH WILL FALL!
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
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Ahaha, not a bad build order from Mind.
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SCV + MARINE POURING INTO THE MAIN, JAEDONG HAS 10 r so lings. HE PULLS ALL DRONES BUT MIND TOO STRONG! THE DRONES AND LINGS FALL AND JAEDONG GGS. Excellent build from Mind there.
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oh man that was a nice move by Mind
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LOL MIND TOOK A PAGE FROM FLASH"S STRATEGY BOOK
macro+micro<strat
goign as plannned so far
jaedong 0 < 3 Mind!!!!!
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GAY these days the only way jaedong loses to any terran is with gay strategies
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YAY MIND BASH THAT ZERG!!! :D
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On February 28 2008 18:50 noojOh wrote: GAY these days the only way jaedong loses to any terran is with gay strategies
It's gay because it beats Jaedong, right?
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
JAEDONG IS THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOONE CAN TAKE HIM STRAINGT UP.
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stream gets lag only in the best fights
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GO FUCK YOURSELF MIND!!!! Can't handle Jaedong straight up you dumb fucking noob!
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fuck is anyone elses gomtv fucked? ive even reinstalled it but when i press watch it just acts like im spamming the click button 1 million times a second and i cant do jack shit
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i hate proxy rax + 1 main ... 90% lose x(
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Pure build order rape and great execution.
Hell yea.
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Germany2762 Posts
jaedong keeps on losing to several sorts of all-in strats T_T
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United States17042 Posts
On February 28 2008 18:50 UnS)DeathTrap wrote: stream gets lag only in the best fights
I agree- i see the second rax building and the stream crashes :'(
mind-...I hate to say it, but you're a smart man
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On February 28 2008 18:50 noojOh wrote: GAY these days the only way jaedong loses to any terran is with gay strategies
It was his own fault, I bet he would have fend it off without losing his ovi.
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That was dissapointing. I had hoped for a longer game, but it was certainly a well-executed rush.
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5673 Posts
On February 28 2008 18:50 TheTyranid wrote: JAEDONG IS THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOONE CAN TAKE HIM STRAINGT UP.
And Boxer's the best player right now because Jaedong cant take him straight up.
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On February 28 2008 18:50 HaXxorIzed wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 18:50 noojOh wrote: GAY these days the only way jaedong loses to any terran is with gay strategies It's gay because it beats Jaedong, right?
ok fine its not gay but im just stating the obvious fact that the players fear jaedong straight up and therefore resort to different strategies in order to win
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i have mixed feelings about what i just saw. that was actually quite clever from mind, and nothing like his usual dry style of play which i hate so much.
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Mind formed a nice wall with his scvs, when jaedong tried to surround him the scvs took most of the damage.
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On February 28 2008 18:50 HaXxorIzed wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 18:50 noojOh wrote: GAY these days the only way jaedong loses to any terran is with gay strategies It's gay because it beats Jaedong, right?
its gay coz it leads to really fast and bad series.
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I am loving this. Not only for the fact that Jaedong got creamed, but also for the responses in this thread from people who seem to think that it's somehow breaking a code of law. Bisu falls to all ins he misses with scouts. Stork does it, Boxer does it, even Savior had the occasional one.
If Jaedong doesn't counter them well, that's his failing as a player.
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Mind very wisely playing for the <5 minute game since the longer things go the more opportunities Jaedong will have to outplay him.
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Mind has very good bo's
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On February 28 2008 18:50 TheTyranid wrote: JAEDONG IS THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOONE CAN TAKE HIM STRAINGT UP.
Word!
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lol. Forget the bashing of mind.
I'm just dissapointed the game was so short... and the previous short ones vs flash as well...
Give me 20 minute nail-biter games, not 4:30 minute ones please
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On February 28 2008 18:50 TheTyranid wrote: JAEDONG IS THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOONE CAN TAKE HIM STRAINGT UP. The mech win by flash on katrina was straight up. Just because he doesnt use mnm doesnt mean it wasnt a straight up win
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
On February 28 2008 18:52 riptide wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 18:50 TheTyranid wrote: JAEDONG IS THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOONE CAN TAKE HIM STRAINGT UP. And Boxer's the best player right now because Jaedong cant take him straight up. Wooow. You fail hard my friend.
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Second game already started; so fast. Go go mind!
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Germany2762 Posts
On February 28 2008 18:51 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 18:50 noojOh wrote: GAY these days the only way jaedong loses to any terran is with gay strategies It was his own fault, I bet he would have fend it off without losing his ovi.
i totally agree with that. losing this overlord in the middle of the map was crucial for the result of the match. seemed like jaedong already knew that he'd lose this game after losing the ovie, according to his face :>
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On February 28 2008 18:50 TheTyranid wrote: JAEDONG IS THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOONE CAN TAKE HIM STRAINGT UP.
Are you serious? Didn't Flash beat him straight? He won over him 2-1 2-1. He used metal build 2 times.. he used timing other times..
Please tell me you are kidding.
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omg... mind plz rape jaedong straight up this game so jaedongs fan will shush about "cant win jaedong in a straight up fight"
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On February 28 2008 18:53 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 18:50 TheTyranid wrote: JAEDONG IS THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOONE CAN TAKE HIM STRAINGT UP. Are you serious? Didn't Flash beat him straight? He won over him 2-1 2-1. He used metal build 2 times.. he used timing other times.. Please tell me you are kidding.
besides flash flash is an exception lol
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Jaedong 12 hatches on Katrina. Hes at 6. Mind is at 9 and looking to wall in with a very quick gas before cc. Very interesting.
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mind going for flash build?
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Nevermind Jaedong 11 pool 13 hatch. 1 marine standing guard against overlords.
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On February 28 2008 18:50 HaXxorIzed wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 18:50 noojOh wrote: GAY these days the only way jaedong loses to any terran is with gay strategies It's gay because it beats Jaedong, right?
lulz, just like the "I like cheese" discussion!
One man's cheese is another man's timing push.
But losing an ovie is a pain in the ass.
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United States17042 Posts
looks like mind is going for the flash build-makes sense, his m/m control isn't that great
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
On February 28 2008 18:53 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 18:50 TheTyranid wrote: JAEDONG IS THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOONE CAN TAKE HIM STRAINGT UP. Are you serious? Didn't Flash beat him straight? He won over him 2-1 2-1. He used metal build 2 times.. he used timing other times.. Please tell me you are kidding. I am not kidding. Flash never beat Jaedong with an mnm build. The only game they played that was standard and non mech was game 3 of the MSL semis. JD dominated Flash there. So besieds mech, and proxy rax, and failed JD cheese, Flash did NOT beat JD
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How do you see the games?
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mind with the proxy fact :|
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Germany2762 Posts
mind you are pissing me off! T_T seems like this guy isn't able to play a straight up game without proxy something. this is fun to watch, but somehow it just PISSES ME OFF! T_T
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
MECH MECH MECH
FLASH
KARTINA
MECH
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On February 28 2008 18:56 jhNz wrote: mind you are pissing me off! T_T seems like this guy isn't able to play a straight up game without proxy something. this is fun to watch, but somehow it just PISSES ME OFF! T_T
it feels as if jaedong is being cheated out of a final
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kkk what the hell happened, just woke up
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
JD may god bestow you with the powers to slap this Terran back to MST.
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Oh lawd. Doing a proxy once is Strategy. Twice? Against Jaedong? Titanium fucking balls.
I seriously hope this works.
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Mind you fucking pussy. I actualy voted for you, but this is pissing me off as well. Play like a man, what a pussy...
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On February 28 2008 18:55 TheTyranid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 18:53 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 28 2008 18:50 TheTyranid wrote: JAEDONG IS THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOONE CAN TAKE HIM STRAINGT UP. Are you serious? Didn't Flash beat him straight? He won over him 2-1 2-1. He used metal build 2 times.. he used timing other times.. Please tell me you are kidding. I am not kidding. Flash never beat Jaedong with an mnm build. The only game they played that was standard and non mech was game 3 of the MSL semis. JD dominated Flash there. So besieds mech, and proxy rax, and failed JD cheese, Flash did NOT beat JD YA ONLY MNM BUILDS COUNT RIGHT? LOL , please...
Mind is proxy facting and addinga quick starport. I believe Jaedong found a vulture. He may have some idea whats up. But its possible he didnt see it. Hes not blocking his front! 3 VULTURES READY TO RUN BY! THEY GET BY DRONES FALLING!
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So playing a metal build 2 times is not straight? You are just a huge fanboy and cry because he lost. Like I do whenever NaDa loses. So don't say flash didn't beat JD.. He doesn't need to play MnM vs Zerg. Also he rushed JD with Firebats and won too.. isn't that mm? :/
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Hydra out and onewraith will most likely get 2 ovie kills. Yep 2. Now mind starting his cc. Fantastic opening from him.
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even the JD fans have to admit that was amazing.
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AHAHAH. fucking _brilliant_. someone time this, because mind is taking a swing at boxer's record.
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On February 28 2008 18:55 TheTyranid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 18:53 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 28 2008 18:50 TheTyranid wrote: JAEDONG IS THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOONE CAN TAKE HIM STRAINGT UP. Are you serious? Didn't Flash beat him straight? He won over him 2-1 2-1. He used metal build 2 times.. he used timing other times.. Please tell me you are kidding. I am not kidding. Flash never beat Jaedong with an mnm build. The only game they played that was standard and non mech was game 3 of the MSL semis. JD dominated Flash there. So besieds mech, and proxy rax, and failed JD cheese, Flash did NOT beat JD
That's like saying "Flash didn't beat JD on JD's terms, so he didn't really beat him."
It's JD's responsibility to make sure things go his way.
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Jaedong just BARELY defending
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
this is GG. 0-2.
Oh man I am depressed. I need some vodka NOW!
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On February 28 2008 18:57 G.s)NarutO wrote:Also he rushed JD with Firebats and won too.. isn't that mm? :/ is it?
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On February 28 2008 18:57 VioleTAK wrote: Mind you fucking pussy. I actualy voted for you, but this is pissing me off as well. Play like a man, what a pussy... How is it pussy? People bitch about terrans not being creative, then they bitch about not playing the same every game. Make up your fuckin mind.
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United States17042 Posts
amazing play from mind- for anyone not watching the live stream mind went fast gas to 1 fact to 1 port wraith, while jaedong went 3 hatch before pool. Jaedong just lost about half his drones, and is going muta after hydra (hydra was needed to fend off vults)
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Wow. Very solid harassment here by Mind.
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What I personally want to see is terran beating JD with M&M+Tanks+Vessels in a 20 minutes game. Not some proxy rax, proxy fact, mech on gay map, sunk break and so on.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
On February 28 2008 18:57 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 18:55 TheTyranid wrote:On February 28 2008 18:53 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 28 2008 18:50 TheTyranid wrote: JAEDONG IS THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOONE CAN TAKE HIM STRAINGT UP. Are you serious? Didn't Flash beat him straight? He won over him 2-1 2-1. He used metal build 2 times.. he used timing other times.. Please tell me you are kidding. I am not kidding. Flash never beat Jaedong with an mnm build. The only game they played that was standard and non mech was game 3 of the MSL semis. JD dominated Flash there. So besieds mech, and proxy rax, and failed JD cheese, Flash did NOT beat JD YA ONLY MNM BUILDS COUNT RIGHT? LOL , please... Mind is proxy facting and addinga quick starport. I believe Jaedong found a vulture. He may have some idea whats up. But its possible he didnt see it. Hes not blocking his front! 3 VULTURES READY TO RUN BY! THEY GET BY DRONES FALLING! Nope, not only mnm. Doesn't change te fact that JD is the better straight up player.
If he wasn't, why would you risk going for a different strat?
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Mind will get a third ovie, hydras barely arive in time to save the 4th. Vessels about ready, 4 scourge out. THe fact is back at the Terran main. Jaedong with speedlings...hes looking to take a 3rd base on the highground, guarding it with those lings. 5 lurks hatched!
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argh i thought jaedong switched to mutas but he didnt damnit
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If Mind gets a third with another prepared build that is similar, screw it. I won't even care that beat an under performing Bisu to deny him the three MSL wins. Mind will be awesome in my book for doing something only Boxer managed to get away with.
Go Mind, close this one out and bring it to 0:2. After Savior's dominating run seeing the next Savioresque zerg go down like this is one of the most bizzare (and enjoyable) series of events I could hope for.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
LURKERLING GOOOOOO!
Where ur vult/wraith now bitch???
where it now bitch???
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On February 28 2008 18:58 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 18:57 VioleTAK wrote: Mind you fucking pussy. I actualy voted for you, but this is pissing me off as well. Play like a man, what a pussy... How is it pussy? People bitch about terrans not being creative, then they bitch about not playing the same every game. Make up your fuckin mind.
Cheesing in every game is NOT CREATIVE, since the player does the same thing every game. (Yes, IMHO, proxy fac and proxy rax is the same damn thing) And it's not even exciting to watch. Not much skill required to rush... Mind games are interesting, but only when they are mixed up with straight-up games.
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Jaedong moving out with 5 lurks and mass ling MIND IN DEEP SHIT, WASNT PREPARED FOR THIS TIMING AT ALL.
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YES YES YES JAEDONG LURKER BRILLIANT
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United States17042 Posts
jaedong's gonna hafta learn how to play against non-standard builds all the time if he wants to stay at the top...before he starts the long trip back down that progamers usually face >.>
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However Jaedong doesn't really care and walks into Mind's main with Lurk/Ling
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LOL "gg yo" THAS RIGHT NERDD
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holy shit that was one of the best fakes ive ever seen
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Germany2762 Posts
mind is so ridiculous... first real fight and he is screwed.
go jeadong!
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On February 28 2008 19:01 AnOth3rDAy wrote: IN YOUR FACE MIND
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oh man, another brilliant strategy from Mind
too bad for him Jaedong went 3-hatch
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On February 28 2008 18:57 VioleTAK wrote: Mind you fucking pussy. I actualy voted for you, but this is pissing me off as well. Play like a man, what a pussy...
Pussyy? What the fuck you talking about. A win is a win. who cares if he 9 pools or the game lasts for 30 minutes.
StarCraft is a game with many twists and turns. Give Mind credit for producing excellent builds.
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minds cheeses leads to short and bad games, plz play straight up now ffs
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On February 28 2008 19:01 Soulforged wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 18:58 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On February 28 2008 18:57 VioleTAK wrote: Mind you fucking pussy. I actualy voted for you, but this is pissing me off as well. Play like a man, what a pussy... How is it pussy? People bitch about terrans not being creative, then they bitch about not playing the same every game. Make up your fuckin mind. Cheesing in every game is NOT CREATIVE, since the player does the same thing every game. And it's not even exciting to watch. Not much skill required to rush... Mind games are interesting, but only when they are mixed up with straight-up games. Fact/Wraith isn't cheesing. Its opening tech.
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MIND DOES NOT SEE JD MOVE OUT BUILDS BUNKER TOO LATE YEAA JDDDDD
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
GG JAEDONG RAPING WITH LURKERLING!
Amazing comeback! Blue storm coming up. Muta galore.
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On February 28 2008 18:55 TheTyranid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 18:53 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 28 2008 18:50 TheTyranid wrote: JAEDONG IS THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOONE CAN TAKE HIM STRAINGT UP. Are you serious? Didn't Flash beat him straight? He won over him 2-1 2-1. He used metal build 2 times.. he used timing other times.. Please tell me you are kidding. I am not kidding. Flash never beat Jaedong with an mnm build. The only game they played that was standard and non mech was game 3 of the MSL semis. JD dominated Flash there. So besieds mech, and proxy rax, and failed JD cheese, Flash did NOT beat JD Please shut the fuck up. Why should any T be so stupid to play Jaedong in his hands? If Jaedong's good against fe, m&ms, skterran why should any T (flash, mind, whoever) just play the current style of TvZ and make it easy for Jaedong??? There's always room for improvement and maybe the mech-style is viable against the newer zerg players like Jaedong. If he wants to win and to be a champion he must know how to deal with that. And rushes. Did it ever occur to you that a rush is not necessarily an all-in strategy? Maybe Jaedong is skipping defense for getting better economy and the T is just utilizing that fact to his advantage by making a rush. Thus being the smarter player and winning the game.
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I will have a ton of respect for Mind if he wins like this Even though I love Jaedong
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On February 28 2008 18:59 TheTyranid wrote:If he wasn't, why would you risk going for a different strat?
Because Mind's apparently found holes in Jaedong's traditional build orders, and is thus taking advantage of it with aggressive play that he feels will win him games?
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This series gets even better. Now, if only Jaedong would proxy sunken next game, that would lift this to ridiculous levels.
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Man, what a coounter by Jaedong.
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next game is blue storm
i wonder if mind will cheese or choose to be mutapawned to oblivion
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Mind wasnt prepared at all for that timing. The bunker was very late, and he had no bats at all. Excellent play by jaedong.
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btw someone fill me in, how did mind win in game1
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wow that was an amazing game.
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That little vulture/wraith harass killed drones but 3 hatch before pool economy is too strong for even good damage to be equalizing considering how late it makes your expand as terran. Otherwise the zerg stabilizes with better econ and rapes.
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Owned right to the face. You might fool Jaedong once with a cute proxy Mind, but not twice. I thought Jaedong still looked ahead after the early harass, since Mind tossed his econ out the window to do it.
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On February 28 2008 19:02 Proposal wrote: btw someone fill me in, how did mind win in game1
Mind 1 rax proxied, and 1 rax in base... sent a decent number of his SCVs with the rush... Jaedong wasn't ready at all.
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YES! GJ Jaedong! Try that again Mind, Jaedong dares you! :-)
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On February 28 2008 19:01 Soulforged wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 18:58 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On February 28 2008 18:57 VioleTAK wrote: Mind you fucking pussy. I actualy voted for you, but this is pissing me off as well. Play like a man, what a pussy... How is it pussy? People bitch about terrans not being creative, then they bitch about not playing the same every game. Make up your fuckin mind. Cheesing in every game is NOT CREATIVE, since the player does the same thing every game. (Yes, IMHO, proxy fac and proxy rax is the same damn thing) And it's not even exciting to watch. Not much skill required to rush... Mind games are interesting, but only when they are mixed up with straight-up games.
You're totally wrong, proxy fact is absolutely nothing like proxy rax
Respect to Mind for preparing interesting builds.
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Hahah you "poor" Mind you had a big early game advantage and still you got SQUASHED you fucking pussy! Learn bitch
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Even though I'm a fan of Jaedong (and zergs in general), I'm starting to like Mind. I can see where the nicknames Scholar Terran and Rommel came from He really has ballsy build orders, and you can tell he plans builds for specific opponents.
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On February 28 2008 19:03 VioleTAK wrote: YES! GJ Jaedong! Try that again Mind, Jaedong dares you! :-) Watch he is going to go fact ---> 2 starport on Blue Storm. It is a very popular T strat on that map.
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Game lasted over 5 minutes, therefore Jaedong won.
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On February 28 2008 19:04 3nickma wrote:Hahah you "poor" Mind you had a big early game advantage and still you got SQUASHED you fucking pussy! Learn bitch He didnt have a big early game advantage.
Nova was right on. Although he lost drones and overlords, mind had to sacrafice a lot of economy to open like he did. It probably came out with a VERY slight edge to mind, but also a large hole while he added rax and massed a mnm army. Jaedong exploited this perfectly. I am disappointed in mind's late bunkers though. But jaedong did an excellent job of denying scouting with the spire + scourge and then sneakily going lurk + mass ling.
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I bet Jaedong is going to cheese in this game
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Correct me if im wrong but i didnt see a 3hatch before pool.. i actually didnt see the 2nd nat to be taken. So thats an equal economy to 2hatch right?
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that was too bad, mind should have been ready for that considering he had a wraith to scout with....
it's stupid when games end like that.
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The thing that amazes me about Jaedong is he seems to somehow be able to do timing pushes / cool breaks like this while he's going for a bigger eco build than his opponent. He seems to be a master of the zerg flexibility to be all drones one moment and all units the next.
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ya know muta > Mind also, lurker/ling > Mind
although I'm biased.
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On February 28 2008 19:05 TheTyranid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:03 VioleTAK wrote: YES! GJ Jaedong! Try that again Mind, Jaedong dares you! :-) Watch he is going to go fact ---> 2 starport on Blue Storm. It is a very popular T strat on that map. It's probably a response to the popular strat of the amazingly aggressive muta harass into guardians that has become popular for ZvT in that map. 2 port is kind of required, because of the terrain around the nat.
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On February 28 2008 19:04 FieryBalrog wrote: You're totally wrong, proxy fact is absolutely nothing like proxy rax
Respect to Mind for preparing interesting builds.
I guess it's taste difference. For me, proxy factory + wraith tech opening is nowhere near being interesting, I can see it pulled off on any level. The fact that Mind failed to adapt his timing even after getting an advantage means that he sucks. If the player tries to do some 'cute' strategy while playing bad it, of course, is reasonable, but still disgusting to watch.
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On February 28 2008 19:06 wo0py wrote: Correct me if im wrong but i didnt see a 3hatch before pool.. i actually didnt see the 2nd nat to be taken. So thats an equal economy to 2hatch right?
Pretty sure it was 3 hatch before pool. He hatched at his protected nat, then to the right of the geyser to get gas faster. I think the hatch by the gas was before the pool, but i might be remembering wrong.
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On February 28 2008 19:06 Sunyveil wrote: I bet Jaedong is going to cheese in this game
Zerg cheese on a 2-player map that strongly favors Z>T?
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On February 28 2008 19:06 wo0py wrote: Correct me if im wrong but i didnt see a 3hatch before pool.. i actually didnt see the 2nd nat to be taken. So thats an equal economy to 2hatch right?
It's not equal economy if you 3 hatch before pool you get several extra drones. Less than Mind killed, but it still cushioned the blow greatly. Considering that Mind neutered his own economy to fast tech, I don't think Jaedong was behind much at all after the vulture/wraith attack.
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stream laggggs more than usual =[
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On February 28 2008 19:06 wo0py wrote: Correct me if im wrong but i didnt see a 3hatch before pool.. i actually didnt see the 2nd nat to be taken. So thats an equal economy to 2hatch right? No
3 hatch before pool at 2 bases is superior to 12 hatch pool 13 hatch at 2 bases because of your ridiculous larvae count.
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On February 28 2008 19:06 wo0py wrote: Correct me if im wrong but i didnt see a 3hatch before pool.. i actually didnt see the 2nd nat to be taken. So thats an equal economy to 2hatch right? Jaedong opened 12 hatch 11 pool 13 hatch. The camera just didnt show the pool until after the hatch had been started
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This thread is bullshit, sorry. I'm out.
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On February 28 2008 19:04 CDRdude wrote:I can see where the nicknames Scholar Terran and Rommel came from He really has ballsy build orders, and you can tell he plans builds for specific opponents.
I feel the same. On one hand I find typical ZvT slugfests epic in their own right, like Jaedong vs Iris and plenty others, but I like these twisted games that force players to play "off-timing" and pull out innovation for the win. It happened with Boxer and Ra and UpMagic a lot, maybe Mind's going to turn out like that.
Also in fairness to mind, you have to say kudos to Jaedong for bouncing back with an unorthodox counter attack.
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On February 28 2008 19:08 Jayson X wrote: This thread is bullshit, sorry. I'm out.
OK.. WTF?
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On February 28 2008 19:08 Jayson X wrote: This thread is bullshit, sorry. I'm out. We don't care.
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On February 28 2008 19:07 Soulforged wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:04 FieryBalrog wrote: You're totally wrong, proxy fact is absolutely nothing like proxy rax
Respect to Mind for preparing interesting builds.
I guess it's taste difference. For me, proxy factory + wraith tech opening is nowhere near being interesting, I can see it pulled off on any level. The fact that Mind failed to adapt his timing even after getting an advantage means that he sucks. If the player tries to do some 'cute' strategy while playing bad it, of course, is reasonable, but still disgusting to watch.
I completely disagree with you, nothing disgusting about it
If Starcraft was always 20 minute FE into macro into Textbook Standard Solid Play it would be a much poorer game IMO, still great but...
The option and the threat of fakes, rushes, cheeses, proxies, mind games, fast techs, hidden techs, etc. makes the game SO much more interesting.
ZvT is a matchup that is already extremely standardized thanks to Savior/Oov the 3 hatch muta/rax FE builds totally dominate, the timings are all very well-known, its nice to see variety and different powerful builds that aren't so cookie cutter (even though I do like epic "straightup ZvT" games and there are tons of variations there also)
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On February 28 2008 19:08 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:06 wo0py wrote: Correct me if im wrong but i didnt see a 3hatch before pool.. i actually didnt see the 2nd nat to be taken. So thats an equal economy to 2hatch right? Jaedong opened 12 hatch 11 pool 13 hatch. The camera just didnt show the pool until after the hatch had been started
I believe that's wrong. I'm pretty sure I saw Jaedong make the 3rd hatch before pool. And though I don't speak korean I swear I heard them saying what had to be 3 hatchery no pool.
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On February 28 2008 19:10 NovaTheFeared wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:08 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On February 28 2008 19:06 wo0py wrote: Correct me if im wrong but i didnt see a 3hatch before pool.. i actually didnt see the 2nd nat to be taken. So thats an equal economy to 2hatch right? Jaedong opened 12 hatch 11 pool 13 hatch. The camera just didnt show the pool until after the hatch had been started I believe that's wrong. I'm pretty sure I saw Jaedong make the 3rd hatch before pool. And though I don't speak korean I swear I heard them saying what had to be 3 hatchery no pool.
This man speaks TROOF.
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On February 28 2008 19:08 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:04 CDRdude wrote:I can see where the nicknames Scholar Terran and Rommel came from He really has ballsy build orders, and you can tell he plans builds for specific opponents. I feel the same. On one hand I find typical ZvT slugfests epic in their own right, like Jaedong vs Iris and plenty others, but I like these twisted games that force players to play "off-timing" and pull out innovation for the win. It happened with Boxer and Ra and UpMagic a lot, maybe Mind's going to turn out like that. Also in fairness to mind, you have to say kudos to Jaedong for bouncing back with an unorthodox counter attack. You can't forget Casy TvZ. Gmes around 15-17 minutes long where Casy just rolls out and DESTROYS the zerg before he gets hive tech.
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On February 28 2008 19:10 NovaTheFeared wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:08 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On February 28 2008 19:06 wo0py wrote: Correct me if im wrong but i didnt see a 3hatch before pool.. i actually didnt see the 2nd nat to be taken. So thats an equal economy to 2hatch right? Jaedong opened 12 hatch 11 pool 13 hatch. The camera just didnt show the pool until after the hatch had been started I believe that's wrong. I'm pretty sure I saw Jaedong make the 3rd hatch before pool. And though I don't speak korean I swear I heard them saying what had to be 3 hatchery no pool. Definitely possible, it just seemed the pool was really far along when they showed it, but I could definitely be wrong.
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where were all you rabid jaedong fans while he was getting his ass kicked in two out of the three major events that are currently taking place? he didn't play just a couple of games vs flash, so that you can somehow argue that flash's wins don't count because it was a one-time thing. they played a total of 10 games! so how about we give flash the credit he is due, for defeating jaedong twice when a lot was at stake.
the argument that flash didn't "really" defeat jaedong because he used such and such strats (the hidden implication being that he should have used some particular standard strat) has a lot in comon with "5 mins no rush plz!!11!!"
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On February 28 2008 19:10 FieryBalrog wrote:
The option and the threat of fakes, rushes, cheeses, proxies, mind games, fast techs, hidden techs, etc. makes the game SO much more interesting.
Yeah, it is true...but I'd like such things to happen not that often, specially when we have a matchup of two great players.
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OMG, what is this swimming ad all about? Does anybody know?
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the commentators did say jaedong did 3 hatch no pool while they had the screen on mind and his proxy factory for a long time so ya
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On February 28 2008 19:12 GeLaar wrote: where were all you rabid jaedong fans while he was getting his ass kicked in two out of the three major events that are currently taking place? he didn't play just a couple of games vs flash, so that you can somehow argue that flash's wins don't count because it was a one-time thing. they played a total of 10 games! so how about we give flash the credit he is due, for defeating jaedong twice when a lot was at stake.
the argument that flash didn't "really" defeat jaedong because he used such and such strats (the hidden implication being that he should have used some particular standard strat) has a lot in comon with "5 mins no rush plz!!11!!" Ya its just as bad as people getting mad at jaedong for 9 pool off hatching boxer on katrina. Such Bs.
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jesus guys open a new thread about what is cheese or something..
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On February 28 2008 19:12 CDRdude wrote: OMG, what is this swimming ad all about? Does anybody know?
im not completely sure but the boy in it seems to be mentally challenged and its something about following ur dreams or something but i hav no idea what the sports toto thing does
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On February 28 2008 19:12 GeLaar wrote: where were all you rabid jaedong fans while he was getting his ass kicked in two out of the three major events that are currently taking place? he didn't play just a couple of games vs flash, so that you can somehow argue that flash's wins don't count because it was a one-time thing. they played a total of 10 games! so how about we give flash the credit he is due, for defeating jaedong twice when a lot was at stake.
the argument that flash didn't "really" defeat jaedong because he used such and such strats (the hidden implication being that he should have used some particular standard strat) has a lot in comon with "5 mins no rush plz!!11!!"
one of the reasons why i hate jaedong..... his fans here seem to elevate him too much IMO.
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the swimming was commented early (during the mst group L games) to be an ad for sports in korea
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On February 28 2008 19:13 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:12 GeLaar wrote: where were all you rabid jaedong fans while he was getting his ass kicked in two out of the three major events that are currently taking place? he didn't play just a couple of games vs flash, so that you can somehow argue that flash's wins don't count because it was a one-time thing. they played a total of 10 games! so how about we give flash the credit he is due, for defeating jaedong twice when a lot was at stake.
the argument that flash didn't "really" defeat jaedong because he used such and such strats (the hidden implication being that he should have used some particular standard strat) has a lot in comon with "5 mins no rush plz!!11!!" Ya its just as bad as people getting mad at jaedong for 9 pool off hatching boxer on katrina. Such Bs.
Only like few guys here didn't give Flash credit for being 5-5 with JD. Mind is another thing, though .
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They showing JD vs Flash game 3 MSL quarters. Rape rape rape.
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On February 28 2008 19:06 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:04 3nickma wrote:Hahah you "poor" Mind you had a big early game advantage and still you got SQUASHED you fucking pussy! Learn bitch He didnt have a big early game advantage. Nova was right on. Although he lost drones and overlords, mind had to sacrafice a lot of economy to open like he did. It probably came out with a VERY slight edge to mind, but also a large hole while he added rax and massed a mnm army. Jaedong exploited this perfectly. I am disappointed in mind's late bunkers though. But jaedong did an excellent job of denying scouting with the spire + scourge and then sneakily going lurk + mass ling.
Yeah right on second thought but in the moment pissed off fanboyism > mind (lol no pun intended).
I'd also say it was 3 hatch before pool. Just my 2 cents.
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Rushes are perfectly legit. You don't want to play into the other guy's game plan. You want to exploit his weaknesses and make him react to you, that way you're one step ahead. Likewise, a player doesn't need to beat the Bisu build head on, that's stupid. They can just prevent it from happening in the first place.
Also, Jaedong 3 hatched before pool.
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I give full credit to Flash.
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On February 28 2008 19:14 Soulforged wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:13 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On February 28 2008 19:12 GeLaar wrote: where were all you rabid jaedong fans while he was getting his ass kicked in two out of the three major events that are currently taking place? he didn't play just a couple of games vs flash, so that you can somehow argue that flash's wins don't count because it was a one-time thing. they played a total of 10 games! so how about we give flash the credit he is due, for defeating jaedong twice when a lot was at stake.
the argument that flash didn't "really" defeat jaedong because he used such and such strats (the hidden implication being that he should have used some particular standard strat) has a lot in comon with "5 mins no rush plz!!11!!" Ya its just as bad as people getting mad at jaedong for 9 pool off hatching boxer on katrina. Such Bs. Only like few guys here didn't give Flash credit for being 5-5 with JD. Mind is another thing, though .
ya and flash played amazingly but i remember him beating jaedong only with his mech build and early early timing but im not downplaying flash at all, im a flash fan and i hope he wins GSI
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doesnt matter jd will overcome.
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that first link to the korean gomplayer links to a corrupt file :/ someone help mee
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On February 28 2008 19:13 bahhh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:12 GeLaar wrote: where were all you rabid jaedong fans while he was getting his ass kicked in two out of the three major events that are currently taking place? he didn't play just a couple of games vs flash, so that you can somehow argue that flash's wins don't count because it was a one-time thing. they played a total of 10 games! so how about we give flash the credit he is due, for defeating jaedong twice when a lot was at stake.
the argument that flash didn't "really" defeat jaedong because he used such and such strats (the hidden implication being that he should have used some particular standard strat) has a lot in comon with "5 mins no rush plz!!11!!" one of the reasons why i hate jaedong..... his fans here seem to elevate him too much IMO. No one is saying Flash's wins didn't count. A win is a win. Flash isn't even in the picture, this is Mind/JD
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On February 28 2008 19:12 Soulforged wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:10 FieryBalrog wrote:
The option and the threat of fakes, rushes, cheeses, proxies, mind games, fast techs, hidden techs, etc. makes the game SO much more interesting. Yeah, it is true...but I'd like such things to happen not that often, specially when we have a matchup of two great players.
Normally what happens when any two great players meet in a series you get a goody bag of the following, a cheese rush game, an epic 30 minute back and forth tussle, a prepared-build-for-the-map, a crazy aggressive strat game, etc. (Just like Flash v JD in MSL, 1 metal, 1 muta harass into guards, 1 epic "straightup", 1 cheese rush). I suspect there will be a slugfest yet, both players still feeling each other out.
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On February 28 2008 19:12 GeLaar wrote: where were all you rabid jaedong fans while he was getting his ass kicked in two out of the three major events that are currently taking place? he didn't play just a couple of games vs flash, so that you can somehow argue that flash's wins don't count because it was a one-time thing. they played a total of 10 games! so how about we give flash the credit he is due, for defeating jaedong twice when a lot was at stake.
the argument that flash didn't "really" defeat jaedong because he used such and such strats (the hidden implication being that he should have used some particular standard strat) has a lot in comon with "5 mins no rush plz!!11!!"
I wouldn't say I'm a "rabid JD fan," although I am a Zerg loyalist. But Flash is super sexy right now. I honestly think he should be #2 on the power rank. I was very impressed.
edit: yay, I'm a ling. Basically the most important unit in Starcraft.
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On February 28 2008 19:13 bahhh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:12 GeLaar wrote: where were all you rabid jaedong fans while he was getting his ass kicked in two out of the three major events that are currently taking place? he didn't play just a couple of games vs flash, so that you can somehow argue that flash's wins don't count because it was a one-time thing. they played a total of 10 games! so how about we give flash the credit he is due, for defeating jaedong twice when a lot was at stake.
the argument that flash didn't "really" defeat jaedong because he used such and such strats (the hidden implication being that he should have used some particular standard strat) has a lot in comon with "5 mins no rush plz!!11!!" one of the reasons why i hate jaedong..... his fans here seem to elevate him too much IMO.
i have to admit, that's exactly the thing that's happening to me right now. i started watching the match with no preference for either player, but the posts here are starting to turn my opinion, even if just to make this thread a little more ballanced.
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On February 28 2008 19:10 FieryBalrog wrote: The option and the threat of fakes, rushes, cheeses, proxies, mind games, fast techs, hidden techs, etc. makes the game SO much more interesting.
And also so much more risky in some cases. Take the first game here for example (hidden proxy rax, very unlikely to be scouted). Four possibilities how the game will develop: a) Jaedong gets early defense, Mind rushes -> Jaedong has advantage b) Jaedong doesn't get early defense, Mind rushes -> Mind probably wins right away (this is what happened) c) Jaedong gets early defense, Mind doesn't rush -> Mind has economical advantage d) Jaedong doesn't get early defense, Mind doesn't rush -> normal game
Some rushes can be cool but some are just really luck-based. Game 1 was no skill, pure luck. I can do exactly the same.
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On February 28 2008 18:50 TheTyranid wrote: JAEDONG IS THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOONE CAN TAKE HIM STRAINGT UP.
damn straight
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On February 28 2008 19:15 vnlegend wrote: Rushes are perfectly legit. You don't want to play into the other guy's game plan. You want to exploit his weaknesses and make him react to you, that way you're one step ahead. Likewise, a player doesn't need to beat the Bisu build head on, that's stupid. They can just prevent it from happening in the first place.
Also, Jaedong 3 hatched before pool.
Yes, but I want to watch someone "to beat the Bisu build head on". Maybe it's stupid for the player to try something like this, but it's not stupid to want to see something that exciting.
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On February 28 2008 19:17 Hydrolisko wrote:that first link to the korean gomplayer links to a corrupt file :/ someone help mee
i think its a bit too late to be setting up gomplayer to see this live atm. this is something u do like a day in advance.
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On February 28 2008 19:17 FieryBalrog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:12 Soulforged wrote:On February 28 2008 19:10 FieryBalrog wrote:
The option and the threat of fakes, rushes, cheeses, proxies, mind games, fast techs, hidden techs, etc. makes the game SO much more interesting. Yeah, it is true...but I'd like such things to happen not that often, specially when we have a matchup of two great players. Normally what happens when any two great players meet in a series you get a goody bag of the following, a cheese rush game, an epic 30 minute back and forth tussle, a prepared-build-for-the-map, a crazy aggressive strat game, etc. (Just like Flash v JD in MSL, 1 metal, 1 muta harass into guards, 1 epic "straightup", 1 cheese rush). I suspect there will be a slugfest yet, both players still feeling each other out. Yep... thats how it works (except with say... Savior vs Bisu)
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On February 28 2008 19:17 0xDEADBEEF wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:10 FieryBalrog wrote: The option and the threat of fakes, rushes, cheeses, proxies, mind games, fast techs, hidden techs, etc. makes the game SO much more interesting. And also so much more risky in some cases. Take the first game here for example (hidden proxy rax, very unlikely to be scouted). Four possibilities how the game will develop: a) Jaedong gets early defense, Mind rushes -> Jaedong has advantage b) Jaedong doesn't get early defense, Mind rushes -> Mind probably wins right away (this is what happened) c) Jaedong gets early defense, Mind doesn't rush -> Mind has economical advantage d) Jaedong doesn't get early defense, Mind doesn't rush -> normal game Some rushes can be cool but some are just really luck-based. Game 1 was no skill, pure luck. I can do exactly the same.
Theres a huge element of psychology to it.
Its rare to have the balls to open straight off with a hard proxied rush, game 1 is usually the "feel out each others straight up skills" game.
The more psychologically ready you are for the possibility of cheese or proxy rush, the weaker it is.
Game 1 & 5 tend to be the most "standard" because both players are definitely tied if they're playing that game.
Game 3 to a lesser degree. Game 2&4 are usually the least standard because one player has the series advantage.
Theres always a series metagame that both players are also playing in addition to the actual game.
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Last thing I'll say before class is, a great many of the people lambasting Mind would have, essentially, seen an opposing zerg player three hatch before pool, played straight-up, and probably lost because of the economic deficit, rather than playing to win.
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as far as I can tell there's only a handfull of guys giving mind shit for cheesing, and 30-40 people saying the same thing afterwards.
pointless discussion
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Game 3 on Bluestorm. Score 1-1. Mind is at the north, Jaedong at the South.
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Whoa, weaker cheers for Mind this time.
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and we're off, map is blue storm, mind at top right, jeadong at bottem left
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game 3 up!
jd @ 7 mind @ 2
blue storm
muta galore!
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please jaedong make 2 hatch and be agressive, dont give him time to use his mind
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On February 28 2008 19:20 Southlight wrote:Last thing I'll say before class is, a great many of the people lambasting Mind would have, essentially, seen an opposing zerg player three hatch before pool, played straight-up, and probably lost because of the economic deficit, rather than playing to win.
that kind of play to win is what seperates mind and jaedong from...stork xD
*prepares for flames on me* *cowers*
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Early scv moving out for Mind. He might just be using it to block a possible early expansion/early scout though.
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SCV heading out.!
What's it gonna build???
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Blue storm game has started and I think there's at least a 70% chance Jaedong will go for the 2 hatch death by muta build.
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engineering bay god wat a fag lol
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Ya hes just scouting. Ah he ebays in the hatch position. This works out great for Mind as Jaedong was opening hatch before pool. Hes forced to change his build and go 12 pool.
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Ebay manner. That was sexy i'll say.
Jd can expo to minonly tho.
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On February 28 2008 18:53 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 18:50 TheTyranid wrote: JAEDONG IS THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOONE CAN TAKE HIM STRAINGT UP. Are you serious? Didn't Flash beat him straight? He won over him 2-1 2-1. He used metal build 2 times.. he used timing other times.. Please tell me you are kidding.
He's not kidding, and neither am I - Nobody has ever won against Jaedong straight up. In fact, nobody ever will. The only way anyone will ever win against him is by cheesing.
Edit - Case in point, remember how he got pwned by Flash's cheese gol build on Katrina?
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Nobody has ever won against Jaedong straight up. In fact, nobody ever will. Bold statement there...
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E-bay, imo, is ok, even if it'll be followed with a bunker rush . JD kinda allowed it.
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Mind should have stole his gas too. And manner ebayed min only, for a royal flush of gayness.
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Mind adds a rax after his depot. Very nice drone micro gets the scv. Another scv being sent. Mind partially walling in. Still one rax, with 2 depot. Probably an early cc. Jaedong has going gas for early speed though. Mind has to be careful Cc started in the main.
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On February 28 2008 19:24 triangle wrote:Bold statement there... Casy[alive] 3-0 easy.
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On February 28 2008 19:24 riptide wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 18:53 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 28 2008 18:50 TheTyranid wrote: JAEDONG IS THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOONE CAN TAKE HIM STRAINGT UP. Are you serious? Didn't Flash beat him straight? He won over him 2-1 2-1. He used metal build 2 times.. he used timing other times.. Please tell me you are kidding. He's not kidding, and neither am I - Nobody has ever won against Jaedong straight up. In fact, nobody ever will. The only way anyone will ever win against him is by cheesing. Edit - Case in point, remember how he got pwned by Flash's cheese gol build on Katrina?
^^
Although Narutos use of the word "timing" is a bit of an euphemism considering it was a double proxy all-in rush
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On February 28 2008 19:24 riptide wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 18:53 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 28 2008 18:50 TheTyranid wrote: JAEDONG IS THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOONE CAN TAKE HIM STRAINGT UP. Are you serious? Didn't Flash beat him straight? He won over him 2-1 2-1. He used metal build 2 times.. he used timing other times.. Please tell me you are kidding. He's not kidding, and neither am I - Nobody has ever won against Jaedong straight up. In fact, nobody ever will. The only way anyone will ever win against him is by cheesing. Edit - Case in point, remember how he got pwned by Flash's cheese gol build on Katrina? Lol youre a idiot.
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is jaedong scouting the map for cheese or is it me?
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On February 28 2008 19:25 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:24 riptide wrote: He's not kidding, and neither am I - Nobody has ever won against Jaedong straight up. In fact, nobody ever will. The only way anyone will ever win against him is by cheesing.
Edit - Case in point, remember how he got pwned by Flash's cheese gol build on Katrina?
Lol youre a Idiot
My sarcasm detectors might be off, but ...
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On February 28 2008 19:25 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:24 riptide wrote:On February 28 2008 18:53 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 28 2008 18:50 TheTyranid wrote: JAEDONG IS THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOONE CAN TAKE HIM STRAINGT UP. Are you serious? Didn't Flash beat him straight? He won over him 2-1 2-1. He used metal build 2 times.. he used timing other times.. Please tell me you are kidding. He's not kidding, and neither am I - Nobody has ever won against Jaedong straight up. In fact, nobody ever will. The only way anyone will ever win against him is by cheesing. Edit - Case in point, remember how he got pwned by Flash's cheese gol build on Katrina? Lol youre a idiot.
And you're Romainianian.
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Mind BE CAREFUL WHY ARE YOU MOVING OUT?! This could really be bad for mind... You FUCKING IDIOT.
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GOOD GAME.
ZERGLINGS WIN.
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Listen, I don't want to be the old guy who comes in and acts like a prick, but Mind's build for Game 2 was basically vintage Nada Fac versus Zerg, something that he used lethally during the pre-3hatch days.
I was reading the thread to see how long before somebody made the connection, and ran out of patience. Nada is Mind's teammate, for goodness' sake.
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ahhh wtf mind hahaha
lings raping shit outta mind's base
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I'm so pissed I voted for mind after that bullshit=/ That was horrible.
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LOL! Mind falls for the overlord lure trick I've used on so many players. Mind pulled his marines too far forward to attack the lord and left himself wide open to speedlings. All kinds of scvs going down, no marines left, medic down, scvs dying it's bad news for Mind.
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muta's out soon
poor mind
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That was a rather silly mistake. Damn.
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You know what? this was really gay. All these games are so short. Why can't we have a long exciting TvZ?
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mutas raping 2 marines
mind ggs
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Mind: GG YO
Indeed... one mistake and the game is taken from you.
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Jaedong = sex
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On February 28 2008 19:28 TheTyranid wrote: You know what? this was really gay. All these games are so short. Why can't we have a long exciting TvZ?
its true that long TvZs are exciting but these games are entertaining somewhat as well
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These little gleams of greatness Jaedong always seems to throw out must really be disheatening for his opponents.
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how did this guy reach the semifinal? without proxy mind can't win one single game against jaedong...
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Wow that didn't take long for Jaedong to outplay Mind at all. It's so crazy to move unprotected marines that far forward when you SCOUTED 12 pool speedlings.
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That was a nice build from Jaedong.
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lol jaedong is like >9000 his hair has a goldish tinge is he almost super saiyan!?!?!?
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On February 28 2008 19:26 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: ... You FUCKING IDIOT. sooner or later all need to admit it
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On February 28 2008 19:28 BlackSphinx wrote: These little gleams of greatness Jaedong always seems to throw out must really be disheatening for his opponents. That wasn't greatness That was mind making a horrible mistake and losing instantly because of it.
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sorry i arrived late and i cant find where the advice is to stream this. How can I view the match plz?
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On February 28 2008 19:27 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: I'm so pissed I voted for mind after that bullshit=/ That was horrible. It is wise to pick the better player. Kidding, LB is a gamble most games.
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you cant afford to make those kinds of mistakes when you're facing a player like JD, he jumps on your mistakes for some wtfpwnrape
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Clutch assumes your opponent is playing well. Moving out like that against 12 hatch speedlings (unless I missed Jaedong's build, which is when my stream fuzzed a lot) .... ugh.
I was hoping Mind's excellent build choices indicated he was well prepared for things, but that was rather disheartening.
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Uhm too bad for my Liquibet ... i don't see Mind winning 2 games in a row to JD ...
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mind, stop being gay and play JD straight up!
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Ok, you're not an idiot, you're just really bad at sarcasm.
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This is not even fun. I bet next game is gonna be exactly the same. Mind trying somthing silly, jaeding predicting it. And then Mind fails badly! Mind!!! if your gonna go to the finals. you need to be able to go straight up, and win!
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can someone PLZ tell me how to watch the match through stream please!!! I know it's probably on the site but i dont have time to search :S
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On February 28 2008 19:29 noojOh wrote: lol jaedong is like >9000 his hair has a goldish tinge is he almost super saiyan!?!?!? LOL
pretty sweet chance Mind gave Jaedong there, going after the ovie. I'm sure he's kicking himself for that now lol
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On February 28 2008 19:30 ambit!ous1 wrote: mind, stop being gay and play JD straight up!
he tried, but you just witnessed what happens if he tries that. he wouldn't stand a chance against jd...
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On February 28 2008 19:32 HamerD wrote: can someone PLZ tell me how to watch the match through stream please!!! I know it's probably on the site but i dont have time to search :S
then you don't get to watch!
don't post about this again, we have rules about it!
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On February 28 2008 19:30 ambit!ous1 wrote: mind, stop being gay and play JD straight up! It would be nice to see a drawn-out, epic TvZ, yes. At least one. I don't mind Mind's builds though, it adds exitement to the game.
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On February 28 2008 19:30 ambit!ous1 wrote: mind, stop being gay and play JD straight up!
yes, we all want to see him get brutally and repeatedly raped hard.
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ARGH anyone else having REALLY bad spike issues
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And now a prayer to a long, exciting game:
Dear lord, you have granted us with 2 amazing players, in an amazing tournament playing a bo5. All we faithful people want from you is a truly great game between these 2 goliaths.
edit: amen
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Here's hoping for a long game-- not necessarily "standard"-- just long.
edit: TheTyranid is much better than this than I am
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On February 28 2008 19:27 HonestTea wrote: Listen, I don't want to be the old guy who comes in and acts like a prick, but Mind's build for Game 2 was basically vintage Nada Fac versus Zerg, something that he used lethally during the pre-3hatch days.
I was reading the thread to see how long before somebody made the connection, and ran out of patience. Nada is Mind's teammate, for goodness' sake.
yeah, but nada is more art with his vults;) His game vs savior in the finals, @ peaks using proxyfact was so freaking awesome.
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game 4 starting
JD @ 12 mind @ 6
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Ok game 4. Score 2-1 Jaedong. Map is Zodiac. Mind at 6, Jaedong 12.
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propoasal: nope, the stream works perfectly for me so far... much better than daumplayer does
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what I want: mind beats jeadong in a straight up game now, then loses to LJD in an epic game 5
what I expect: jeadong walks all over mind
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Zodiac game started 12 jaedong vs. 6 mind. Cross positions bodes well for a long game.
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On February 28 2008 19:33 datscilly wrote: Here's hoping for a long game-- not necessarily "standard"-- just long. Quoted for truth! I want to see this map get mined out :D
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Instead of having long and exciting TvZ, we get short and exciting TvZ.
Not so bad. Especially for me, since I go to work in 1 hour.
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On February 28 2008 19:31 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Ok, you're not an idiot, you're just really bad at sarcasm.
No mate, you're just really bad at reading. Everyone else on this thread got what I meant.
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Jaedong will 12 hatch and 12 scout. Mind will 14 cc!
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On February 28 2008 19:32 HamerD wrote: can someone PLZ tell me how to watch the match through stream please!!! I know it's probably on the site but i dont have time to search :S if you have R1CH's firefox plugin for showing what streams are running you can copy and paste one of those links into VLC... instructions for the plugin are here: http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67190
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12 hatch 11 pool vs. 14 cc.
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lol BALLSY.. 14cc on the potentially last game for mind
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mind with the 14 cc
could he be going for the macro game?
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ok, mind is down one game and he just went no-rox-double-cc. this is either a symptom of excessive balls, or insanity.
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hmm i think mind knew he wouldnt win today so he sat at his practice station thinking what will i do today and decided to do ridiculous builds for every single match no supply no barrack CC...
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mind fe, zerg seems to want to locate the terran quickly (he is using drone)
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Mind Fe? Respect Mind. Perhaps my prayers will come true.
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The bos work out well for mind, assuming he doesnt fuck up
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Jaedong has his work cut out for him he can't really pressure 14 cc from that long a distance. The initial builds favor Mind but after throwing away the game on Blue Storm Mind may not have the best mindset.
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i have a feeling this will be the great, long game.
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First rax done, marine making and 5 or scvs xfered. Second rax going up. Jaedong just pumping drones, getting gas and starting his 3rd hatch after pool. Mind makes 3 rax before his gas.
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hmm if only JD had gone 9pool like against BoxeR... (still pissed at him for that :\ )
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mind not making a bunker, great decision here. most terrans do after FE and slow scout.
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Man, I cant believe I'm missing this due to bad connectivity. Sounds incredible. :o
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Scv enters the zerg territory and is denied scouting of the main by 2 lings at the ramp. No more than 2 lings, fast lair going up. Mind doesnt make a bunker, wisely, given jaedongs build. 2 lings chase the scv. Nice micro denies it from running by. Acad half way done.
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wtf is the rule fakesteve? Don't ask for help because stuck up arch-nerds will rebuke you at every point???
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Jaedong only made 2 lings initially then 2 more to chase away a scouting scv. That's good for his economy but bad for the sunk break Mind probably has in mind.
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On February 28 2008 19:37 HamerD wrote: wtf is the rule fakesteve? Don't ask for help because stuck up arch-nerds will rebuke you at every point??? Get the fuck out of this website.
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On February 28 2008 19:37 HamerD wrote: wtf is the rule fakesteve? Don't ask for help because stuck up arch-nerds will rebuke you at every point???
excuse me?
this is a live report thread. they exist for people who can't watch. you don't clutter them up with stream requests because you're too lazy to search.
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shit sunken break?
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Mind going up to 5 rax now, we're sure to see that critical timing on the sunks !
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Mind starting an ebay while he researches stim and starts a 4th rax? 3 medics pop out of the rax at the same time. Ahhh mind actually adds his 5th as well as he moves out for a hopeful timing attack on the sunks. But Jaedong has his 3rd sunk started. Jaedong also barely gets a drone by! That could be big later on. Jaedong's spire is done, 4 sunks at the front. This will be very very close. Mind will need turrets soon.
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S-S-S-S-S-S-SUNKEN BREAKER!!!
I hope it fails hard.
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Come on Mind, give the viewers a fifth game.
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HonestTea
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HamerD, you may feel that we are stuck up, you may feel that we are nerds.
But attitude gets you no where.
If you have objections, know how to word them.
Searchin' ain't hard.
Being nice ain't hard either.
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Mind scans the sunks and runshis army back.. the mutas are already out. 1 marine and 1 fb chase 2 lings. But jaedong isnt expanding there. The mutas clean those 2 units out. Jaedongs den is done TURRETS ARE LATE! But mind has enough units from his reenforcing rax to deend. GOING FOR SUNKEN BREAK! The first group is startedbut many more mnm comming! Jaedong is ok though. For now.
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Here comes the break and. . . . . mutas coming back!/
THE BREAK IS RAPED BUT MIND HAS AN ENTIRE NEW ARMY COMING.
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OMG Jd made a huge mistake with the mutas. He came out too far and 3 or so died.
Mind wins, mnm streaming in, JD will not hold this macro.
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This'll be 3:1
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Keep going TheFoReveRwaR! can't watch from work. Great reports.
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And I take my blabber right back. JD holding well actually for now.
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BIG MISTAKE FROM JAEDONG HE LOSES SOME MUTAS! FIRST LURKER GOES DOWN BUT LINGS AND A MUTA BARELY DEFEND. Ok Jaedong is safe. But that hurt him. Jaedong has taken BOTH islands though.
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EDIT: NOt watching minimap. Jaedong has both islands.
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Oh no DONT go guardians, he has 2 starports.
JD Guards will fail man!.
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nice taking the islands, really genius
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ya mind's mnm control is kinda costing him
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my stream died too-keep going on the live stream reporting;
it's valuable for those of us who have poor internet :'(
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On February 28 2008 19:38 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:37 HamerD wrote: wtf is the rule fakesteve? Don't ask for help because stuck up arch-nerds will rebuke you at every point??? this is a live report thread. they exist for people who can't watch. you don't clutter them up with stream requests because you're too lazy to search.
there's a difference between being lazy and wanting to watch a match that's happening this very moment and not being able to read at the speed of light through the thread in which i KNOW there is the answer but i just can't find it atm...whatever continue to be how you are if it pleases you ¬¬
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Greater spire is morphing. Mind tries to find a weakness, he probably doesnt know about the island bases though. Defilier mind going up. Mind is loading up a dropship!! MIND DOES KNOW ABOUT AT LEAST ONE ISLAND. HE DROPS IT AND WILL TTAKE IT OUT. Well done mind.
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Ok, this game wasn't perfectly straight-up, but since JD is a bit behind it'll probably be a long, exciting game. Mind has a great late-game TvZ army managment, and so does JD. This is what i wanted to see .
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The island is dropped. It will be destroyed if the mutas dont save.
Bad for jd. Hatchery almost dead.
MIND DOES NOT FINISH HATCH OFF, FOCUSING ON MUTAS.
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Mind can't micro mnm for shit.
Casy probably laughs in his face every day.
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Jaedong has a commanding lead now? Mind dropped at least 3x on Jaedong's main but did no damage. Guardians harassing Mind's nat. Scourge should stop attacks on the islands.
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Ooooo MIND SHOWING GREAT PLAY AND HAS 3 DROPSHIPS OUT. However Jaedong has morphed guards near the tteran nat! Defiliers are out. 3 sunks are at jaedongs other island. It looks solid. No luck for mind there TT. Mind is in trouble.
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WOW WOW WOW THIS IS JAEDONG
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The dropships move out again but jaedong scourges them both! DEATH BLOW. Minds third expo is up and jaedong drops LURKS LINGS AND DEFILERS INTO MINDS MAIN!
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minds really in trouble now
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SCOURGE KILL 2 DSHIPS FULL OF MNM.
JD is a fucking god! He drops Mind;s main, lurkerling with SWARM.
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On February 28 2008 19:44 HamerD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:38 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On February 28 2008 19:37 HamerD wrote: wtf is the rule fakesteve? Don't ask for help because stuck up arch-nerds will rebuke you at every point??? this is a live report thread. they exist for people who can't watch. you don't clutter them up with stream requests because you're too lazy to search. there's a difference between being lazy and wanting to watch a match that's happening this very moment and not being able to read at the speed of light through the thread in which i KNOW there is the answer but i just can't find it atm...whatever continue to be how you are if it pleases you ¬¬
Maybe you should just have done your homework yesterday and you would not have gotten yourself in this situation...
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jaedong is like screw ur dropships mind and using his ovs amazingly
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JD is tearing him apart! He has a lurker at 3'rd expo killing scv as well.
The drop is finally cleared with some mnm casualties.
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Also one lurk at the new 3rd base. Mind clears his main with firebats. Hes sweating though. Jaedong showing fantastic play. Swarms and lurks at the 3rd base of mind. 4 vessels take on the threat but mining is stoped yet again.
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is this the type of game u guys wished for?
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2 dropships loaded up again but jaedong has a LOT of scourge ready...this is incrediable risky...
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Mind's 3rd is out of commision for a long time. Lurk in the econ line under swarm.
JD still has the island expo at 4. nd anoter base at 10ish.
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Plaugue hits 4 vessles and scourge take out 3 of them!!
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On February 28 2008 19:49 noojOh wrote: is this the type of game u guys wished for?
Well, I was hoping Mind would show some better Marine/Medic control.
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Plague on vessels. 4 vessels die to scourge.
another drop at main of Mind. Lurkerling with swarm!!
Mind counter dropping JD main with 2 dshit.
FUCK LOTS OF MNM IN jd MAIN!
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Another ver ystrong drop in the terrran main but MIND GETS 2 DROPSHIPS IN the zerg main. But very strong lings clear it up.
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Jaedong definitely has not forgotten adrenal gland upgrade and it's letting him tear apear the MM dropped in his main.
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JD clers the drop well! This game is going downhillfor mind, JD's drop is still nit cleared, finally cleared now.
Ultras out for JD.
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On February 28 2008 19:50 HaXxorIzed wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:49 noojOh wrote: is this the type of game u guys wished for? Well, I was hoping Mind would show some better Marine/Medic control. His marine medic control has been fine
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jaedong is pure win seems like he wasnt even close to slumping like people kept saying or overrated
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Jaedongs double island expo play was amazingly brilliant. ULTRAS out for jaedong. Mind in DEEP shit now.
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JD expanding to 3. He is outplaying Mind right now.
Mind is on 2 base. Nat and 3;rd center expo.
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Swarm / lurks/ ultras/ lings and scourge moving to the terran second nat. Mind is desperately trying to lay mines . His army is weak....JAEDONG IS TOO STRONG!
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On February 28 2008 19:51 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:50 HaXxorIzed wrote:On February 28 2008 19:49 noojOh wrote: is this the type of game u guys wished for? Well, I was hoping Mind would show some better Marine/Medic control. His marine medic control has been fine
He's in a team with NaDa. For the supposed 'epic' game, I'd love to see some flawless control
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Lots of ultras for JD.
He is RAMPAGING, he gets stopped at Mind's nat doorstep. It doesn't matter tho as JD is dominating.
He has 4 bases vs Mind's 2.
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Mind struggling against the ropes. Jaedong has taken the main at 3. Mind should be close to mined out at his nat and is at his main.
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9 overlord DOOM drop loaded up.
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o god jaedong HAS THIS .. IN THE FINALSSSS
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Jaedong going for the killing blow now about 8 overlords loaded with ultra/ling. Doom drop time.
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Nice game. Mind held on longer than I expected. But it's over any second now, Jaedong 3:1.
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JD is a god right now. Too bad he doesn't fare well against special strats.
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I read the words defilers, ultras, upgraded lings... not once have I heard Tank in the reports :-) All mnm with sucky micro?
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Its head for minds undefended main as Mind moves out. All his vessels are plagued. The drop has landed!
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mind ggs. jaedong 3:1 mind!!
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Mind with one last desperate attack but ultras come out of the nydus and crush it. Mind GGs. Jaedong is headed to the finals. Mind bows towards jaedong then the crowd.
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Wow... amazing game. Very impressive play. Great to watch!
Jaedong vs Kal... looking forward to it!
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terran scum
jaedong fighting!!!
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this was acutally a pretty entertaining game. but ultra + swarm is just gg against terra...
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Ah well, Mind tried. I suppose it falls to Kal then.
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On February 28 2008 19:55 VioleTAK wrote: I read the words defilers, ultras, upgraded lings... not once have I heard Tank in the reports :-) All mnm with sucky micro?
2 starport. Mind made a lot of dropships that did very little damage to a well prepared Jaedong. Also even though it was 2 port Jaedong kept the vessel count down nicely.
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On February 28 2008 19:55 VioleTAK wrote: I read the words defilers, ultras, upgraded lings... not once have I heard Tank in the reports :-) All mnm with sucky micro?
Mind for one has not a sucky micro. But he hast used any tank, he did use vultures/mines
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On February 28 2008 19:56 jhNz wrote: this was acutally a pretty entertaining game. but ultra + swarm is just gg against terra... Only because it is controlled by JD.
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On February 28 2008 19:55 VioleTAK wrote: I read the words defilers, ultras, upgraded lings... not once have I heard Tank in the reports :-) All mnm with sucky micro? The micro wasnt sucky there was just not much mind could ever do after being way behind due to jaedong's great move , taking both islands. Mind failed to take down either one letting Jaedong get very quick gas. That coupled with defilers and fantastic scourge use + nice drops = Mind raped.
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On February 28 2008 19:55 VioleTAK wrote: I read the words defilers, ultras, upgraded lings... not once have I heard Tank in the reports :-) All mnm with sucky micro?
ya it seems mind only got an addon for vultures and crappy mines he went SK all the way
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Mind is good, But JD is just better.
Pretty predictable result imo.
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gay finals incoming. kal? lol
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On February 28 2008 19:57 Sunyveil wrote: oh boy, screw loki II That wasn't loki 2
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On February 28 2008 19:44 HamerD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:38 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On February 28 2008 19:37 HamerD wrote: wtf is the rule fakesteve? Don't ask for help because stuck up arch-nerds will rebuke you at every point??? this is a live report thread. they exist for people who can't watch. you don't clutter them up with stream requests because you're too lazy to search. there's a difference between being lazy and wanting to watch a match that's happening this very moment and not being able to read at the speed of light through the thread in which i KNOW there is the answer but i just can't find it atm...whatever continue to be how you are if it pleases you ¬¬
look, its real simple.
follow the rules, or don't post. i don't give a shit what you think about it
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Great TvZ. I'm glad there was an epic game amid the cheeses
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On February 28 2008 19:58 Proposal wrote: gay finals incoming. kal? lol Every single one of your posts is some idiotic whiny bitch. Please shut the fuck up?
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wow i now only hav 4 hours and a half to sleep for school gnite all jaedong fighting
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On February 28 2008 19:51 noojOh wrote: jaedong is pure win seems like he wasnt even close to slumping like people kept saying or overrated
lol yeah what a bunch of retards...
LEE JAEDONG FIGHTING ! ! ! <3
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On February 28 2008 19:58 noojOh wrote: how is kal's pvz? Second best in probaming. After Bisu ofc. JD needs to train hard. Very hard.
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On February 28 2008 19:58 noojOh wrote: how is kal's pvz?
pretty good! its gonna be a good final
Mind would have no trouble at all with Kal, but Kal's PvZ is a lot better than his PvT, and Mind already knows how to crush protoss players on these maps
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On February 28 2008 19:57 TheTyranid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:56 jhNz wrote: this was acutally a pretty entertaining game. but ultra + swarm is just gg against terra... Only because it is controlled by JD.
the problem is, terran lacks of some sort of unit which is still effective under swarm. protoss has plenty of them with zeals, archons or dts. but terran? bats are not really a challenge for ultras. and the fact that mind hadn't one single tank didn't make it easier for him
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actually i remember watching it it is pretty scary seems to be based around reavers n kinda of bisu-ish
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On February 28 2008 19:59 TheTyranid wrote:Second best in probaming. After Bisu ofc. JD needs to train hard. Very hard.
well jaedong is unfortunately not in OSL or GSI so he can train for a long time and anytime is a great pvz practice partner i bet
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Kal will win MSL
and i will cry like a little girl T_T
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Thank you Jeadong, and what a shiney new liquibet record that is for me.
10 correct votes streak FUCK YEAH, gained 20 ranks too.
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ahh well. Good job Jaedong you deserve an msl.
Even though I wanted Mind to win, I think this final will be more interesting than a TvP
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Jaedong FIGHTING! Bisu for OSL, Jaedong for MSL, Flash for GSI :-P I hope.
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On February 28 2008 20:02 VioleTAK wrote: Jaedong FIGHTING! Bisu for OSL, Jaedong for MSL, Flash for GSI :-P I hope.
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On February 28 2008 19:59 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:pretty good! its gonna be a good final Mind would have no trouble at all with Kal, but Kal's PvZ is a lot better than his PvT, and Mind already knows how to crush protoss players on these maps Jaedong vs Kal sounds 10 times more exciting than Mind vs Kal would have been.
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On February 28 2008 20:02 VioleTAK wrote: Jaedong FIGHTING! Bisu for OSL, Jaedong for MSL, Flash for GSI :-P I hope.
I would be more than happy to accept this outcome.
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On February 28 2008 20:02 VioleTAK wrote: Jaedong FIGHTING! Bisu for OSL, Jaedong for MSL, Flash for GSI :-P I hope.
same here!
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I was actually quite impressed with Mind's play, but Jaedong was just too fucking good. Easy 5 points.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On February 28 2008 20:03 VioleTAK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 19:59 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On February 28 2008 19:58 noojOh wrote: how is kal's pvz? pretty good! its gonna be a good final Mind would have no trouble at all with Kal, but Kal's PvZ is a lot better than his PvT, and Mind already knows how to crush protoss players on these maps Jaedong vs Kal sounds 10 times more exciting than Mind vs Kal would have been.
i really like mind's TvP
i'm also totally in love with his midgame multidropship tvz
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On February 28 2008 20:02 VioleTAK wrote: Jaedong FIGHTING! Bisu for OSL, Jaedong for MSL, Flash for GSI :-P I hope. that would rock :D
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On February 28 2008 20:02 VioleTAK wrote: Jaedong FIGHTING! Bisu for OSL, Jaedong for MSL, Flash for GSI :-P I hope. QFT
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On February 28 2008 20:01 BWdero wrote: Thank you Jeadong, and what a shiney new liquibet record that is for me.
10 correct votes streak FUCK YEAH, gained 20 ranks too. lol I had 9 in a row then missed one, now i have 2 in a row XD
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So final result Jaedong 3-1, with Mind's only win being the first game with a proxy rax scv/marine rush.
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Current Voting Streak 15 Correct votes in a row Hottest Voting Streak 15 Correct votes in a row
I gained just 1 rank from the JD win lol
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This is what usually happens if a game exceeds the 15 minute mark vs jaedong. Seriously his multitasking is so damn good. Mind played awesome too and almost took the game earlier, and I thought he would fall much sooner than he did.
But the basic fact here is that mind took 1 game of jaedong with some all in scv 2rax prox marine rush... jaedong is obviously the better player here.
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Another PvZ final with P rape (Stork style) in sight ...
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Russian Federation386 Posts
This will be the first PvZ MSL final since Bisu 3-0 Savior in GOMTV1 ... O_O
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This is a MUCH better final than Kal vs Mind
which would be pummelled by map gayness anyway, even though Minds TvP is extremely solid.
Kals best matchup vs JD's worst matchup = about even on a relatively even set of maps (Loki 2 balances out Blue Storm)
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Now I have to hope for the success of Kal and Bisu. Good luck to Kal, corsair control should be key.
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
Jaedong vs InteR.Mind [28/Feb/2008] 1set @ MSL Season 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KYrzmhI3Yc
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GJ JAE !!! kal is peace of cake for you
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
Jaedong vs InteR.Mind [28/Feb/2008] 2set @ MSL Season 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v96UjqBt4xU
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
Jaedong vs InteR.Mind [28/Feb/2008] 3set @ MSL Season 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJloxpqezuY
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On February 28 2008 20:26 BaeZZi wrote: Jaedong vs InteR.Mind [28/Feb/2008] 2set @ MSL Season 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v96UjqBt4xU
wat the fck. that is freakin amazing speed!
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Wow that was fast GG Baezzi!!
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BaeZZi > speed of light
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wow! that was like the fastest upplod ever and thx
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Kal's PvZ is really good, beware JD :O somehow JD vs. BeSt comes to my mind here =(
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On February 28 2008 20:15 FieryBalrog wrote: This is a MUCH better final than Kal vs Mind
which would be pummelled by map gayness anyway, even though Minds TvP is extremely solid.
Kals best matchup vs JD's worst matchup = about even on a relatively even set of maps (Loki 2 balances out Blue Storm)
Mind destroyed bisu on the same maps, he would win a series against Kal
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yeah i was about to say that imo Kal versus Mind would have been a cool finals too, but probably less closely matched than Kal/JD (in that Mind would more likely beat Kal than JD would)
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
LEE JAE DONG FIGHTING!!! poor mind
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BaeZZi
Korea (North)116 Posts
Jaedong vs InteR.Mind [28/Feb/2008] 4set @ MSL Season 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMLJ97gmIL8
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9069 Posts
did jaedong played Bo5 or even Bo3 vP before (not havin in mind the final against Stork)? What are his stats... I think he will take max one game against Kal
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We love you BaeZZi
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On February 28 2008 21:46 disciple wrote: did jaedong played Bo5 or even Bo3 vP before? What are his stats... I think he will take max one game against Kal ¨´
I dont think so. He hasent been in the pro scen for so long what i can recall.
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Melbourne5338 Posts
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Told you that it will be Jaedong vs Kal finals in the ro16, see!
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hahah i think a lot of people predicted that. But I think it's pretty cool that in his last 3 Bo5s (since versus Stork last OSL), Jaedong has lost the first game and won the next three in a row.
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I knew it! i fuckin knew it! JaeDonG!!! I believe!
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Germany2762 Posts
wow baezzi keeps on breaking his own uploadspeed records
awesome job!
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On February 28 2008 20:01 Plexa wrote: Kal will win MSL
and i will cry like a little girl T_T
It really depends on which map will be played twice. Loki and Katrina favors Kal, Zodiac and Bluestorm favors Jaedong. It's already Bluestorm fuck, i believe on Kal whatever the maps.
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Lol my MSL Bracket was so screwed up, I got every quarterfinal wrong except the only thing I did right was I predicted a Kal vs. Jaedong final.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
lol if mind just used his first marine drop at the bottom right island to target JD's hatchery things might have been different BUT i am totally fucking glad jaedong made it so fuck u mind :D:D
GOgO JD
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Jaedong gets Blue Storm twice in the finals to make up for Katrina and Loki II.
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Can't believe I forgot about this x_x I hate my schedule.
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thanks BaeZZi
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
The only bad thing about this thread is 10 pages of fucking retarded cunts arguing about cheese.
NOBODY GIVES A FUCK!!!!
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First of all, Baezzi is a GOD. Thank you so much.
I love Mind's weird TvZ, but it's clearly less stable/durable than Flash's style. He loves to use dropships more than any other Terran I can think of besides Boxer himself, but drops vs. Zerg pay off way less on average; compare the cost between a dropship + 7 marines + 1 medic (550/125) to two scourge (25/75). On the other hand, after Jaedong secured his two island expos, there wasn't really anything Mind could do to stop him, especially after Jaedong began using drops of his own. It's sort of weird that drops are technically lair tech but practically hive tech in ZvT, which is probably why it gets overlooked, despite the ridiculous boost in mobility and threat it offers. Mind basically lost once his sunken break just baaaarely failed. But regardless, I'm sure he'll be back the next time around: neither he nor Flash have finished developing, unlike, oh, I don't know, Sea.
In any case, this would have been much more dramatic as the MSL finals, and not a match to determine who kills off some B+/A- Protoss from STX. If Kal wins, and he's got a chance, there's just no interest. Jaedong isn't where Bisu was when Mind blew his Carriers out of the skies over Loki II. Lee Jaedong hwaiting.
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On February 28 2008 19:02 Konni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 18:55 TheTyranid wrote:On February 28 2008 18:53 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 28 2008 18:50 TheTyranid wrote: JAEDONG IS THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOONE CAN TAKE HIM STRAINGT UP. Are you serious? Didn't Flash beat him straight? He won over him 2-1 2-1. He used metal build 2 times.. he used timing other times.. Please tell me you are kidding. I am not kidding. Flash never beat Jaedong with an mnm build. The only game they played that was standard and non mech was game 3 of the MSL semis. JD dominated Flash there. So besieds mech, and proxy rax, and failed JD cheese, Flash did NOT beat JD Please shut the fuck up. Why should any T be so stupid to play Jaedong in his hands? If Jaedong's good against fe, m&ms, skterran why should any T (flash, mind, whoever) just play the current style of TvZ and make it easy for Jaedong??? There's always room for improvement and maybe the mech-style is viable against the newer zerg players like Jaedong. If he wants to win and to be a champion he must know how to deal with that. And rushes. Did it ever occur to you that a rush is not necessarily an all-in strategy? Maybe Jaedong is skipping defense for getting better economy and the T is just utilizing that fact to his advantage by making a rush. Thus being the smarter player and winning the game. TvZ mech build is heavily based on map properties only in maps where T can secure his second gas before even building a single factory unit, can this mech strategy be viable. Tell flash to play mech vs jaedong on maps like zodiac, python, or even blue storm. I bet he will never DARE to do so
Mech vs Zerg is not a brand new thing, back when T adopted mech vs protoss (I guess many ppl on this forum doesn't even know Terran once played Toss with infantry as the mainstream), they also tried hard to use the same strategy vs Zerg. And it actually at some time worked, but only when Zergs are too careless with their micro.
I am not saying Flash is not strong. He's excellent, he make the execution of mech vs Zerg almost perfect. And I am sure from now on, every decent Terran player will, or at least try to use mech on Katrina when playing Zerg. And I am also sure this fucking imbalanced map will be removed or at least heavily revised when this season ends.
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does anyone else think kal's path to the final seems a little meh?
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On February 29 2008 01:30 L!MP wrote: does anyone else think kal's path to the final seems a little meh? here. he gets all these small fries except rA. (maybe Light) His matches werent even like GSI's skill level, small fries pathway to final. I guess I can bet my house on Jaedong.
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United States20661 Posts
On February 28 2008 21:53 sh02hp0869 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 21:46 disciple wrote: did jaedong played Bo5 or even Bo3 vP before? What are his stats... I think he will take max one game against Kal ¨´ I dont think so. He hasent been in the pro scen for so long what i can recall. OSL finals, anyone?
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Jaedong has been around awhile. ~_~ He's always been the kid with the worst possible group stage draws back in the day.
Man, I watched these games and Mind got spanked hard. The defence at Zodiac was amazing. The timing and mind games on Katrina were awesome. And Bluestorm? Jaedong? Tau Cross? Same thing.
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Doesn't Jaedong always lose the first set?
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On February 29 2008 02:24 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Doesn't Jaedong always lose the first set? he won first set vs both upmagic and light in ever2007 osl
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Braavos36362 Posts
yeah how can you possibly forget OSL finals, JD fucking raped the shit out of Stork, especially sets 3 and 4
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Also, how can you forget the best of 5 against The Rock... hahaha.
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On February 29 2008 02:24 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Doesn't Jaedong always lose the first set? Dunno, but Mind always loses the second. Apparently he forgot he's supposed to win the 3rd and 4th.
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On February 29 2008 03:10 zer0das wrote: Also, how can you forget the best of 5 against The Rock... hahaha.
Our minds are repressing that horrible memory.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On February 29 2008 01:51 Last Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 21:53 sh02hp0869 wrote:On February 28 2008 21:46 disciple wrote: did jaedong played Bo5 or even Bo3 vP before? What are his stats... I think he will take max one game against Kal ¨´ I dont think so. He hasent been in the pro scen for so long what i can recall. OSL finals, anyone?
rofl yeah exactly
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From the bottom of my heart: Thank you Jaedong!
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! dammit how could Mind lose T.T
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Godamn Mind -_-
So the finals are Kal vs Jaedong? The matchup should be pretty intense since Kal is good at PvZ
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United States10774 Posts
nice games. JD totally tricked Mind in game two and won the hard game, haha.
gogo Kal!!
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United States10774 Posts
On February 28 2008 18:55 TheTyranid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 18:53 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 28 2008 18:50 TheTyranid wrote: JAEDONG IS THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOONE CAN TAKE HIM STRAINGT UP. Are you serious? Didn't Flash beat him straight? He won over him 2-1 2-1. He used metal build 2 times.. he used timing other times.. Please tell me you are kidding. I am not kidding. Flash never beat Jaedong with an mnm build. The only game they played that was standard and non mech was game 3 of the MSL semis. JD dominated Flash there. So besieds mech, and proxy rax, and failed JD cheese, Flash did NOT beat JD Flash beat JD with marines and medics on Troy so I guess they are 1-1 "standard" games?
...this is fanboyism taken to extreme. ridiculous.
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8713 Posts
Kal played brilliantly against kwanro on Blue Storm this season.
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On February 29 2008 08:47 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2008 18:55 TheTyranid wrote:On February 28 2008 18:53 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 28 2008 18:50 TheTyranid wrote: JAEDONG IS THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOONE CAN TAKE HIM STRAINGT UP. Are you serious? Didn't Flash beat him straight? He won over him 2-1 2-1. He used metal build 2 times.. he used timing other times.. Please tell me you are kidding. I am not kidding. Flash never beat Jaedong with an mnm build. The only game they played that was standard and non mech was game 3 of the MSL semis. JD dominated Flash there. So besieds mech, and proxy rax, and failed JD cheese, Flash did NOT beat JD Flash beat JD with marines and medics on Troy so I guess they are 1-1 "standard" games? ...this is fanboyism taken to extreme. ridiculous. stfu, he's right in a sense.
In recent history, Flash has never outplayed JD with mnm.
MSL Game 1 on Katrina - Flash uses super mech build. MSL Game 2 on Blue Storm - JD abuses Blue Storm with muta. I won't count this as a "normal game" because it was pure muta/guard build, not a standard build. MSL Game 3 on Loki II - JD and Flash both play standard, JD skipping muta. JD wins. MSL Game 4 on Zodiac - Flash cheeses, fails and loses to ling counter. (not counted as regular)
OSL Game 1 on Troy - Flash uses firebat timing rush to kill JD, abusing the close ramps on Troy. Flash admitted he used this build because it was nearly impossible to beat zergs on Troy, and that Sync (who was now their coach) greatly influenced his build and strategy. Thus, this is considered a "build based on this one attack" and not a standard build. (otherwise I'd count the Blue Storm game as standard). OSL Game 2 on Fantasy - 100% standard. JD wins straight up. OSL Game 3 on Katraina - Super build.
GSI Game 1 on Blue Storm - Flash BBS cheeses and wins. GSI Game 2 on Katrina - 9 pool > 1 rax fe GSI Game 3 on Baekmagoji - JD cheeses and fails.
I personally consider the Loki II and Fantasy II games the only two standard games. Arguably Troy could be considered standard, but in this case I'd say you'd have to include Blue Storm.
Of course if you count their Python game during the Shinhan PL a few months back, where JD loses to Flash in a straight up match that would mean Flash has beaten JD straight up, but that's not "in recent history". At this point I don't think JD would lose to Flash in a bo5 if they played standard all 5 games.
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On February 29 2008 09:40 NonY[rC] wrote: Kal played brilliantly against kwanro on Blue Storm this season.
Yeah, was going to say this. His zealot harassment early on bought him a decent amount of time I think. I thought it was pretty clever. :>
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United States10774 Posts
On February 29 2008 09:41 Live2Win wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2008 08:47 OneOther wrote:On February 28 2008 18:55 TheTyranid wrote:On February 28 2008 18:53 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 28 2008 18:50 TheTyranid wrote: JAEDONG IS THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NOONE CAN TAKE HIM STRAINGT UP. Are you serious? Didn't Flash beat him straight? He won over him 2-1 2-1. He used metal build 2 times.. he used timing other times.. Please tell me you are kidding. I am not kidding. Flash never beat Jaedong with an mnm build. The only game they played that was standard and non mech was game 3 of the MSL semis. JD dominated Flash there. So besieds mech, and proxy rax, and failed JD cheese, Flash did NOT beat JD Flash beat JD with marines and medics on Troy so I guess they are 1-1 "standard" games? ...this is fanboyism taken to extreme. ridiculous. stfu, he's right in a sense. In recent history, Flash has never outplayed JD with mnm. MSL Game 1 on Katrina - Flash uses super mech build. MSL Game 2 on Blue Storm - JD abuses Blue Storm with muta. I won't count this as a "normal game" because it was pure muta/guard build, not a standard build. MSL Game 3 on Loki II - JD and Flash both play standard, JD skipping muta. JD wins. MSL Game 4 on Zodiac - Flash cheeses, fails and loses to ling counter. (not counted as regular) OSL Game 1 on Troy - Flash uses firebat timing rush to kill JD, abusing the close ramps on Troy. Flash admitted he used this build because it was nearly impossible to beat zergs on Troy, and that Sync (who was now their coach) greatly influenced his build and strategy. Thus, this is considered a "build based on this one attack" and not a standard build. (otherwise I'd count the Blue Storm game as standard). OSL Game 2 on Fantasy - 100% standard. JD wins straight up. OSL Game 3 on Katraina - Super build. GSI Game 1 on Blue Storm - Flash BBS cheeses and wins. GSI Game 2 on Katrina - 9 pool > 1 rax fe GSI Game 3 on Baekmagoji - JD cheeses and fails. I personally consider the Loki II and Fantasy II games the only two standard games. Arguably Troy could be considered standard, but in this case I'd say you'd have to include Blue Storm. Of course if you count their Python game during the Shinhan PL a few months back, where JD loses to Flash in a straight up match that would mean Flash has beaten JD straight up, but that's not "in recent history". At this point I don't think JD would lose to Flash in a bo5 if they played standard all 5 games.
lol ok
edit: maybe flash should make mech "standard" TvZ play so he can be ahead in "standard" TvZ games vs Jaedong!
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I think that if Jaedong doesn't use mutas or lurkers, he would get slaughtered by Flash.
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United States10774 Posts
On February 29 2008 10:04 Purind wrote: I think that if Jaedong doesn't use mutas or lurkers, he would get slaughtered by Flash. But it wouldn't count unless Flash uses marines/medics/tanks/vessels. Only way to play STRAIGHT
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On February 29 2008 07:57 Darkmole wrote: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! dammit how could Mind lose T.T
Easily, by playing straight up against Jaedong.
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On February 29 2008 02:22 SuperJongMan wrote: Jaedong has been around awhile. ~_~ He's always been the kid with the worst possible group stage draws back in the day.
Man, I watched these games and Mind got spanked hard. The defence at Zodiac was amazing. The timing and mind games on Katrina were awesome. And Bluestorm? Jaedong? Tau Cross? Same thing.
lol sound like flash anyone?
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United States1651 Posts
The amount of fanboyism in this topic is revolting.
Anyway, Kal vs Jaedong is going to be epic. I hope Jaedong will be able to step up his ZvP so he won't be dominated!
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I plan on voting for Kal.
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United States1865 Posts
Nobody is saying Flash didnt play amazingly well vs Jaedong, its just that the refined standard of ZvT in which zerg goes muta --> lurker --> hive tech, and the terran goes m&m / vessel / tank, and the two attempt to out multitask, expand, outplay each other etc etc, has only happened twice and jaedong won both times. The other games were brilliant TvZ, but they were all not "standard" play. Theres nothing that says Flash ever has to play standard vs jaedong, obviously, and hell if jaedong has difficulty adapting to outside the box builds (as his games vs mech might suggest) then more power to flash for exploting that, its just worth noting that jaedong seems to reign supreme in a pure multitask war.
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Being a toss player myself, I am hoping for Kal to win. But I don't know, Jaedong's anger and revenge patterns because of his games at GSI and OSL are going to be destructive!!! Let's prepare for one of the most exciting MSL finals ever!!!
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United States10774 Posts
On February 29 2008 13:34 Atrioc wrote: Nobody is saying Flash didnt play amazingly well vs Jaedong, its just that the refined standard of ZvT in which zerg goes muta --> lurker --> hive tech, and the terran goes m&m / vessel / tank, and the two attempt to out multitask, expand, outplay each other etc etc, has only happened twice and jaedong won both times. The other games were brilliant TvZ, but they were all not "standard" play. Theres nothing that says Flash ever has to play standard vs jaedong, obviously, and hell if jaedong has difficulty adapting to outside the box builds (as his games vs mech might suggest) then more power to flash for exploting that, its just worth noting that jaedong seems to reign supreme in a pure multitask war.
good post, I agree with you.
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On February 29 2008 13:34 Atrioc wrote: Nobody is saying Flash didnt play amazingly well vs Jaedong, its just that the refined standard of ZvT in which zerg goes muta --> lurker --> hive tech, and the terran goes m&m / vessel / tank, and the two attempt to out multitask, expand, outplay each other etc etc, has only happened twice and jaedong won both times. The other games were brilliant TvZ, but they were all not "standard" play. Theres nothing that says Flash ever has to play standard vs jaedong, obviously, and hell if jaedong has difficulty adapting to outside the box builds (as his games vs mech might suggest) then more power to flash for exploting that, its just worth noting that jaedong seems to reign supreme in a pure multitask war.
I agree with you too.
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Kal (and Best) are two up-and-coming Ps right now. Jaedong won't have an easy time.
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United States10774 Posts
what the hell there's no OSL thread o_O
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On February 29 2008 13:34 Atrioc wrote: Nobody is saying Flash didnt play amazingly well vs Jaedong, its just that the refined standard of ZvT in which zerg goes muta --> lurker --> hive tech, and the terran goes m&m / vessel / tank, and the two attempt to out multitask, expand, outplay each other etc etc, has only happened twice and jaedong won both times. The other games were brilliant TvZ, but they were all not "standard" play. Theres nothing that says Flash ever has to play standard vs jaedong, obviously, and hell if jaedong has difficulty adapting to outside the box builds (as his games vs mech might suggest) then more power to flash for exploting that, its just worth noting that jaedong seems to reign supreme in a pure multitask war.
QFT.
Now I really wanna see if Kal's zvp can match JD, but I'd go for 3-1 in the finals(for JD).
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JD 3-2 would make my night
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On February 29 2008 13:25 SigrUn wrote: Anyway, Kal vs Jaedong is going to be epic. I hope Jaedong will be able to step up his ZvP so he won't be dominated!
You're suggesting a 3-1 win over stork, a win over Bisu(!!!) and a rape vs Best (negligible loss to him imo) is not enough of a step up to not get dominated by Kal (lol?). (I just remembered a loss to much but I'm not including that 1 as it is a possibility that game was thrown.)
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I hope Kal will put up a decent fight!
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United States1651 Posts
On March 01 2008 00:10 Agahnim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2008 13:25 SigrUn wrote: Anyway, Kal vs Jaedong is going to be epic. I hope Jaedong will be able to step up his ZvP so he won't be dominated! You're suggesting a 3-1 win over stork, a win over Bisu(!!!) and a rape vs Best (negligible loss to him imo) is not enough of a step up to not get dominated by Kal (lol?). (I just remembered a loss to much but I'm not including that 1 as it is a possibility that game was thrown.)
It's still worth nothing that PvZ is Kal's strongest matchup, and ZvP is Jaedong's weakest. We haven't seen much of Jaedong's ZvP since his 3-1 over Stork, but just because he randomly beat some Protoss in bo1s along the way doesn't mean a guaranteed win over Kal.
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I don't think most Jaedong fans with any sense are trying to say Kal has no chance.
However, implying that Kal is going to just run over Jaedong unless Jaedong pulls out some kind of miracle also strikes us as short-sighted.
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One of the best semi-finals for action.
Nonstop cheese with a final long dramatic game for the finish.
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On March 01 2008 04:13 [X]Ken~D wrote: One of the best semi-finals for action.
Nonstop cheese with a final long dramatic game for the finish.
Amen.
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I wonder who Kal's practice partners are going to be, besides like Calm.
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