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Wow, I'm kinda nervous (and my stream on YY is behind, so I won't read this topic / report). Who woulda thought I'd be top50 Liquibet by now with a 15 correct streak (albeit being half-correct on who advances in the elims, but that still counts as correct with 1/2 ).
Go Up, you can fucking do it! I believe! (I wanted to vote JangBi first, but I simply couldn't )
Up moving out with a dropship that's spotted by an observer. Chased off by goons that were waiting for it. He chases the goons off with his army, drops Jangbi's island. Jangbi successfully defends with reaver zealot dt in a shuttle (Up picks up and runs away).
Wtf, Up drops Jangbi's main, rines die to a cannon and that reaver that's still hanging out in a shuttle. Dropship picks things up and runs away again.
I"ve never actually seen bionic win out against protoss.
It's like watching a TvZ cept the 'zerglings' have like 5x life, and the 'dark swarm' comes out much faster and rapes your troops much faster than dark swarm.
On February 12 2008 19:11 blagoonga123 wrote: I"ve never actually seen bionic win out against protoss.
It's like watching a TvZ cept the 'zerglings' have like 5x life, and the 'dark swarm' comes out much faster and rapes your troops much faster than dark swarm.
On February 12 2008 19:11 blagoonga123 wrote: I"ve never actually seen bionic win out against protoss.
It's like watching a TvZ cept the 'zerglings' have like 5x life, and the 'dark swarm' comes out much faster and rapes your troops much faster than dark swarm.
Bisu vs Flash on hitchhiker
Upmagic with the same build on Nemesis and Hitchhiker.
On February 12 2008 19:11 blagoonga123 wrote: I"ve never actually seen bionic win out against protoss.
It's like watching a TvZ cept the 'zerglings' have like 5x life, and the 'dark swarm' comes out much faster and rapes your troops much faster than dark swarm.
How can you guys not be happy to see game 1? He used his trademark build. He did very well with it. If the drop wasn't stalled by map hack dragoons, Jangbi loses his island base. Upmagic grabs his Natural, and controls the game.
Luckily, Jangbi had maphack. -_-;
Why the hate for Upmagic playing..... JUST LIKE UPMAGIC DOES!!!?!?!?!!?
On February 12 2008 19:11 blagoonga123 wrote: I"ve never actually seen bionic win out against protoss.
It's like watching a TvZ cept the 'zerglings' have like 5x life, and the 'dark swarm' comes out much faster and rapes your troops much faster than dark swarm.
Five wraiths kill one carrier, chase the other one off, kill the shuttle with a reaver in it. But Up isn't mining from his main right now. Second carrier just died to the same wraiths.
Haha Jangbi is an idiot and flies another carrier right into Up's main without any support, then turns around and dies to wraiths and goliaths.
Both of them have taken a fourth base (Up at the lower left, Jangbi at upper left. Up should know about Jangbi's, but not sure if Jangbi knows about Up's).
Considering how well Casy played on Katrina last night without winning, i would say the only way for a terran to succeed on this map is to give up their rear nat, place their facs forward, and expand to the second multi and adjoining main, cutting off his whole rear from attack.
On February 12 2008 19:37 Manifesto7 wrote: Considering how well Casy played on Katrina last night without winning, i would say the only way for a terran to succeed on this map is to give up their rear nat, place their facs forward, and expand to the second multi and adjoining main, cutting off his whole rear from attack.
I honestly wanna see what Up had planned with proper 4 star. Him losing his main command center is... -_-; I mean, can we stress that badly enough? You know that it's death to lose a base as stupidly like that so early.
I still wouldn't even place JangBi in CBNC. its just so sad that he can win with that kind of uninspired play :/ Please make a Boxerk style comeback Up... Thinking of JangBi in the semis makes me sick
I dunno, sometimes Jangbi looks really good. But then sometimes he loses his first 6 or 7 or whatever it was carriers and only wins because (1) he's playing on katrina and (2) up was equally stupid losing his cc.
On February 12 2008 19:50 Barbarne wrote: I wouldn't say that Jangbi is fat anymore, like july. Just look at him. He's definitely lost weight and gained a more mature apperance.
Seriously... who cares? The guy could look like the stay puft marshmellow man for all I care.
On February 12 2008 19:50 Barbarne wrote: I wouldn't say that Jangbi is fat anymore, like july. Just look at him. He's definitely lost weight and gained a more mature apperance.
On February 12 2008 19:49 MaTRiX[SiN] wrote: jangbi isnt playing poorly at all, he's made all the right decisions, he's playing excellent.
He wasn't very impressive in the second game imo. I really don't think that he would have won if it hadn't been katrina, even with Up losing the cc. First game Jangbi didn't make many mistakes, though.
On February 12 2008 19:49 MaTRiX[SiN] wrote: jangbi isnt playing poorly at all, he's made all the right decisions, he's playing excellent.
He wasn't very impressive in the second game imo. I really don't think that he would have won if it hadn't been katrina, even with Up losing the cc. First game Jangbi didn't make many mistakes, though.
It's really not hard to beat bio-mech with that by-the-book build. Everything JangBi did in the first game is how I react when I see FE + biomech...and I'm not that great
On February 12 2008 20:00 One Page Memory wrote: 3-4 mins without reports? Come on guys
Donno what to say, he has no real strength in him, JangBi is like a worm, he just crawls his way here and there, so he can win a Bo5 on a good lucky day. If he was on the other side of the bracket you'd just watch him go 0-3 and say "JangBi sucks as usual", so now he's on a good roll... But its like Silver winning MSL, if JangBi makes this season into something, he has no solid championship spirit in him, just like... a worm. He'll get raped the next season the second he's matches against any solid champion. Kal vs JangBi semi finals is... well it'll still have 10pages of reports like now, and not even the 20 that Star Challenge groups get these days, when they have real players in them :-) Where is the CRAZINESS of the sAviOr semi-finals huh? This is disheartening. I blame it on Katrina, she'll killing the progaming rivalry atmosphere!
On February 12 2008 19:49 MaTRiX[SiN] wrote: jangbi isnt playing poorly at all, he's made all the right decisions, he's playing excellent.
He wasn't very impressive in the second game imo. I really don't think that he would have won if it hadn't been katrina, even with Up losing the cc. First game Jangbi didn't make many mistakes, though.
It's really not hard to beat bio-mech with that by-the-book build. Everything JangBi did in the first game is how I react when I see FE + biomech...and I'm not that great
didnt say his strategy was impressive or special, saying his decision making is great. and if you think it's easy to beat up playing that build then well..
A vulture comes in, coulda been good but Upmagic circles the DS and sorta lost a few seconds on it. In that time 2 goons showed up so as vultures unloaded 1 by 1 ~_~ Well, u know the diff it makes when they get on ground and jet and mine as opposed to coming 1x1
up's main get dropped by 2 reavers. loses a bunch of scv's because he doesn't maynard away; sends a single tank to kill them, gets one, loses like 5 supplydepots and an armory. meanwhile jangbi is pushing up south.
Jangbi loses a shuttle with 2 reaver in.. But Up is playing so bad.
Check it out. The reavers unload as the shuttle dies. The reavers then proceed to crawl up near the back ramp up to Up's main base. KILLS 6 or so scvs, and remember, up has had about 5 seconds to see 2 reavers in his base already.
Then the reavers proceed to kill armory + 3+Supply and a few odds before being even cleared.
Now, Up is running around the center trying to fight. Jangbi runs circles.
The first game, 10 marine loss on shuttle was ~_~ 2nd game CC loss was nowhere near forced. 3rd game has been lackluster from the start, like losing a scv to a scouting probe, taking over an eternity to react to two reavers in his base, and.. etc.
is it just me or was this a quite weak performance by upmagic tonight? sure carriers on loki and katrina are imba, but nevertheless upmagic wasn't in best shape today.
wow sounds like a wretched bunch of games... did jangbi honestly win any of those games without the map's help?? zodiac I guess isn't as bad, but jeez loki & katrina >: (
To be honest I never thought Up played that good. Most of his wins are because he catches his opponents off guard. But against opponents who has a good solid foundation, those who are diverse and can play against all types of styles, he falls helplessly because against them it goes down to the basics, which, in my opinion, he lacks.
He's always good to watch him win one game in fasion, but I almost never expect to see him win 2 in a row, let alone 3.
It's only boring because you're fans of UpMagic and don't like Jangbi. Jangbi played so well today with good scouting, intel, army movement and positioning. He basically plays like Stork's PvT. Up's 4 vulture drop worked very well against Bisu but Jangbi just completely shut it down by having obs at the right time and blocked off the vulture's escape route with probes.
I'm also a fan of UpMagic but if he's not playing well, then he's suppose to lose. No problems with that.
On February 12 2008 20:20 aeronexus wrote: did jangbi honestly win any of those games without the map's help??
First game for sure. Second and third games the map helped, but Jangbi still played decently and Up still made mistakes (more and bigger mistakes in the second and third games than in the first). I think Jangbi was pretty damn sloppy in the second game, but he screwed with Up's economy enough (yeah let's lose our main cc to two carriers that you scouted and a reaver and a goon) that he was able to win anyway. The third game Up was just bad.
On February 12 2008 20:12 Manifesto7 wrote: You know what sucks? Carriers + MSL maps + a desire to not have a terran champion.
Eeeh come on, how many times in the history of progaming we had Terran heavily supporting maps..I dont think they do it on purpose, but if they do it soon I expect Zerg maps coz u know, except Jaedong there is no other zerg out there in that moment who we can name "very good player" moreover zergs reaching quaterfinals is rare nowadays) if we have two we are happy:-))
On February 12 2008 20:22 vnlegend wrote: He basically plays like Stork's PvT.
When he's playing well he does. He's really strong when he's on top of his game. It just seemed like he wasn't today. Maybe I missed things though, I dunno. Jangbi certainly was the better of the two today (and I think that when they're both playing as well as they can, he's going to be better). But Up made it easier for Jangbi than it should have been.
I am wondering how so many are concluding that Kal is already in the finals. If Stork can help this kid get good at PvT, how about a dose of PvP? Sure, 2-8 looks bad, but Kal's record isn't stellar either in the matchup.
remember upmagic going 2-3 vs a hot bisu a few months ago??
don't tell me upmagic is not good. upmagic has awesome understanding of the game, that's why he can create these awkward strats and win vs progamers at this level of play. today he was sloppy. 1st game was lost cause he failed to stop the island expansion, 2nd game he went weird 4 starport strat and then got sloppy with losing his main cc and 3rd game he responded awfully to reaver harass which made him fall behind a lot. certainly a bad day for him, but you can't say he's not a top player and probably way better than jangbi in a regular day (haven't seen much of jangbi though to be honest). also all these maps suck for TvP
On February 12 2008 20:38 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote: remember upmagic going 2-3 vs a hot bisu a few months ago??
Hot Bisu is a little bit exaggerated, unless you count the rage over being 3-0ed by Stork as being "hot". But yeah, Up played better in that series than he did today.
On February 12 2008 20:38 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote: remember upmagic going 2-3 vs a hot bisu a few months ago??
Exactly why I voted Up today. And whether or not Bisu was "hot" being taken out like that by Stork or not he's still Bisu. Thought if he could do this well against Bisu he should be able to take care of Jangbi rather easy. But it wasn't so today...
Bisu wasn't hot in that series. A quick look at his absolutely dead expression and glazed eyes in the pictures lilsuzie took proves that. Upmagic played well though, nevertheless.
On February 12 2008 20:12 Manifesto7 wrote: You know what sucks? Carriers + MSL maps + a desire to not have a terran champion.
Eeeh come on, how many times in the history of progaming we had Terran heavily supporting maps..I dont think they do it on purpose, but if they do it soon I expect Zerg maps coz u know, except Jaedong there is no other zerg out there in that moment who we can name "very good player" moreover zergs reaching quaterfinals is rare nowadays) if we have two we are happy:-))
They DO make the maps favor protoss on purpose, or 'balanced' for protoss as BaeZZi translated it.
On February 12 2008 20:12 Manifesto7 wrote: You know what sucks? Carriers + MSL maps + a desire to not have a terran champion.
Eeeh come on, how many times in the history of progaming we had Terran heavily supporting maps..I dont think they do it on purpose, but if they do it soon I expect Zerg maps coz u know, except Jaedong there is no other zerg out there in that moment who we can name "very good player" moreover zergs reaching quaterfinals is rare nowadays) if we have two we are happy:-))
They DO make the maps favor protoss on purpose, or 'balanced' for protoss as BaeZZi translated it.
10x for the movie:-))) however what I understand is that if you are not carefull its very easy to make a map which is unbalanced for protoss, not that they are trying to give edge for the protosses, the guy argues that the final aim is balance..
msl is kind a strange ... we have 2 tosses in the semi - the first one (which I mean Kal) is so inspiring , so promising and on the other hand we have a fat, ugly, boring to watch kid. JangBi is the only toss I hate. Kill this bloody bastard, Kal. JangBi doesnt deserve to be even a progamer
these maps are so horrible protoss favoured and anti-terran I mean for gods sake we only have 5 terrans in the top8! it's scandalous, something must be done!
On February 12 2008 23:47 MaTRiX[SiN] wrote: these maps are so horrible protoss favoured and anti-terran I mean for gods sake we only have 5 terrans in the top8! it's scandalous, something must be done!
His play is just deceptive. And he was lacking confidence in the past. His style may not appeal. But he can very well be a solid player in the future. Not sure if he is champ material or not.
He may have micro that is off, but he makes it up with skill in other areas. And it's not like he played boring in these series.
Everyone talking about map imbalance is a fucking disgrace. Jangbi would be the favorite to take down Up even if the map pool consisted of R-Point, Lost Temple, Jim Raynor's Memory Jungle, and Arkanoid. Stop blaming the maps, and start blaming the fact that, outside of TvT, Up isn't that good.
On February 12 2008 22:34 disciple wrote: msl is kind a strange ... we have 2 tosses in the semi - the first one (which I mean Kal) is so inspiring , so promising and on the other hand we have a fat, ugly, boring to watch kid. JangBi is the only toss I hate. Kill this bloody bastard, Kal. JangBi doesnt deserve to be even a progamer
Lol that's ridiculous.
Why exactly doesn't Jangbi deserve to be a pro? I may be biased from being in the same clan as him (when I still played) and knowing him a little bit, but that comment bothers me :/ He's a really good player.
On February 12 2008 22:34 disciple wrote: msl is kind a strange ... we have 2 tosses in the semi - the first one (which I mean Kal) is so inspiring , so promising and on the other hand we have a fat, ugly, boring to watch kid. JangBi is the only toss I hate. Kill this bloody bastard, Kal. JangBi doesnt deserve to be even a progamer
Lol that's ridiculous.
Why exactly doesn't Jangbi deserve to be a pro? I may be biased from being in the same clan as him (when I still played) and knowing him a little bit, but that comment bothers me :/ He's a really good player.
sry I was very angry, jangbi is truly a good player, msl sami is smth big- right. but taking out one of the most entertaining players of all time ( by which I mean UpMagic) with the game he shown (by which I mean JangBi) isnt a way to win the fans...its comparable with the 5pool wins against stork and the luxury game against bisu... its like the henka in the sumo - not the best way to win. No hard feeling for you and the team, but for me is better to lose with style than win like JangBi, Lux and all the other guys who are using imba strats and so
Meh I didn't watch this series yet (waiting for small vod), but most of the games he's played that I've watched were pretty fun (like vs hwasin, chojja, orion).
Sucks he had to play Upmagic tho, he's my favorite terran aside from boxer pretty much
You hate Jangbi because he used an 'imba strat'? First of, who cares? You can't be a pro if you refuse to use your race strengths because it's not 'honorable' to use them. Second, he won a Bo5. Third, he never cheesed.
Not the best way to win? Some wins are better than others? How?
Stop bashing players because they beat your favorites. Blame Up's loss on Up himself. He should have played better. But he didn't. So he deserved to lose.
Upmagic, a real pro, understands this stuff. Why can't you?
I dont think he meant because he used an imba strat, its because he used a strat that wasnt very fun to watch, and knocked out one of the funnest players to observe in the history of broodwar.
I don't know about you, but I like watching fun games (nal_ra, boxer, casy, upmagic) more than completely perfect no-frills strats.
By the way if you havent seen casy vs jy yet, do so. GOTY right thur.
because there are other important things, like style and so. Thats why we have (had) the cheater terran the revolutionist, the storm zerg. Up truly deserve to lose but having Up out means that we are one opportunity less to watch fun and entertaining games, and I think thats e-sports all about. Up is not of my favorites , I like him, his style is kickass.. If I watch jangbi using not a standard build or wtf micro or heavy macro I will like him as well. And yes some wins are far better than others its so in every sport
I'm not really sure why people keep saying that Jangbi played badly. Can anyone explain this to me? His carrier harass was really good. He made Up continuously worry about his base while he constantly circulated his dragoons all over the map, never giving Up the respite to gather his army or think of a strategy. He played pretty solid, in my opinion.
On February 12 2008 22:34 disciple wrote: msl is kind a strange ... we have 2 tosses in the semi - the first one (which I mean Kal) is so inspiring , so promising and on the other hand we have a fat, ugly, boring to watch kid. JangBi is the only toss I hate. Kill this bloody bastard, Kal. JangBi doesnt deserve to be even a progamer
Lol that's ridiculous.
Why exactly doesn't Jangbi deserve to be a pro? I may be biased from being in the same clan as him (when I still played) and knowing him a little bit, but that comment bothers me :/ He's a really good player.
Lol yea I think that Jangbi is pretty awesome, definitely one of the top 10 protosses in the world.. but whatever. Also think it's funny that everyone on TL hates on your other clanmate(Orion), Jangbi vs Orion was basically called suckfest 2008 =p I still think that Orion has good potential, but I used to say the same thing about Jy.. and look what happend to him against Casy =\ WTF Jy
On February 13 2008 07:37 DamageControL wrote: Called the coming of jangbi before most others. Well PvT...and from what I saw, his arbiter play is EXCELLENT, so stop bashing on the carriers
i called his PvT skill the moment he won the only PvT win on desert fox
and then he showed the world how hard he sucks PvZ the following MSL
EDIT: that's almost a year before you said he was the next big thing in that power rank thread
On February 13 2008 07:37 DamageControL wrote: Called the coming of jangbi before most others. Well PvT...and from what I saw, his arbiter play is EXCELLENT, so stop bashing on the carriers
i called his PvT skill the moment he won the only PvT win on desert fox
and then he showed the world how hard he sucks PvZ the following MSL
EDIT: that's almost a year before you said he was the next big thing in that power rank thread
This even worse than those "You heard it first here" posts which are appearing on tlnet lately.
And tomorrow we will start a "my dad vs your dad" discussion?
On February 13 2008 07:37 DamageControL wrote: Called the coming of jangbi before most others. Well PvT...and from what I saw, his arbiter play is EXCELLENT, so stop bashing on the carriers
i called his PvT skill the moment he won the only PvT win on desert fox
and then he showed the world how hard he sucks PvZ the following MSL
EDIT: that's almost a year before you said he was the next big thing in that power rank thread
I was Pwned. And I did not realize that he was gonna suck so bad at pvz >>. Still i did realize he was good pvt, and since his arbiter play is quite good, I am kinda annoyed by people talkinga bout map imbalance
On February 13 2008 09:47 FragKrag wrote: Desert Fox was horrible T_T
F U fat zerg.
fat zerg > fat toss
Amen to that, only reason i like jangi is that i saw that chubby pic of him and his cute cheeks reminded me of july lol I LOVE YOU JULY, but jokes aside jangbi in practice is reputed to be better then stork which intrigues me and make me wonder if hes learned any good pvz in which he better be much better than stork. However thats assuming jaedong reaches the finals and imo the man who I believe can stop jaedong is mind the true desert fox.
On February 13 2008 10:26 RowdierBob wrote: Such ridiculous maps... =/
oh please UpMagiC himself said that loki was balanced, zodiac favored terran, and katrina obv favored protoss.
Since when has Zodiac favored Terran? It always seemed to go back and forth in the games I saw. It seemed like the more balanced map from the games I saw last night.
Stat wise, Loki seems to be going back and forth, Protoss has won the last 3 pvt's on it.
On February 13 2008 10:26 RowdierBob wrote: Such ridiculous maps... =/
oh please UpMagiC himself said that loki was balanced, zodiac favored terran, and katrina obv favored protoss.
Since when has Zodiac favored Terran? It always seemed to go back and forth in the games I saw. It seemed like the more balanced map from the games I saw last night.
Stat wise, Loki seems to be going back and forth, Protoss has won the last 3 pvt's on it.
I don't know puertorican, why dont you go ask upmagic? the man thinks it favors terran haha
Don't lose hope on the MSL guys. After Kal/Light and this series, and a potentially boring PvP semi, some people may get bored of the MSL, but have no fears. Flash/Jaedong is coming soon!
Jangbi played well, if you cant agree with that then agree that he played better than upmagic. If you still cant agree with any of those, then go suck a fat one.