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On January 03 2008 18:22 Spenguin wrote: Mind and Sea Woo!
I think a lot of people feel that way. Seriously, who the heck are Hogil or Zero?
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I await the loss of my Liquibet trophy with a combination of turpitude and dread.
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On January 03 2008 18:23 Last Romantic wrote: I await the loss of my Liquibet trophy with a combination of turpitude and dread.
every time I see the guy with the trophy next to your name, LR, I crack up
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Neat intro... but it's nothing without Jaedong, honestly
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I think HoGil defeated a former top player last week, i think it was July not sure
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On January 03 2008 18:28 Wolfsnare wrote: Neat intro
I like how they imply that Mind won't be defending his title
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aww gonna be boring watching and reading without FBH's presence.
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On January 03 2008 18:24 Sunyveil wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2008 18:23 Last Romantic wrote: I await the loss of my Liquibet trophy with a combination of turpitude and dread. every time I see the guy with the trophy next to your name, LR, I crack up
You know, I'm not actually that bad of a Liquibetter if i bet sensibly.
I always vote with heart and not with head though.
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can some people hop in irc pls ><
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Is anyone using Gom to watch this?
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you have to use gom to watch it. but hitting F5 on this page while watching is annoying. hop in IRC!
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On January 03 2008 18:32 Last Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2008 18:24 Sunyveil wrote:On January 03 2008 18:23 Last Romantic wrote: I await the loss of my Liquibet trophy with a combination of turpitude and dread. every time I see the guy with the trophy next to your name, LR, I crack up You know, I'm not actually that bad of a Liquibetter if i bet sensibly. I always vote with heart and not with head though.
I'm the same way.. and I'm a Nada fan.. so you won't see me with a trophy anytime soon.
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god it looks like they just didn't try on this intro or something
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Also, is By.Sun in the intro? There's this one face that I swear has to be 10 years old but it goes by really quick.
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OH GOD
this is the guy who just goes by "Zerg"
he will be punished for the utter lack of creativity
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On January 03 2008 18:40 Sunyveil wrote: OH GOD
this is the guy who just goes by "Zerg"
he will be punished for the utter lack of creativity
woah I was thinking the exact same thing
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GOM player giving me some error screen on the right hand side looks like im using an illegal version???
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mind is probably the most unpopulest starleague champion of all time.
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Go Mind and Sea, although I predict an upset, Sea dont choke here.
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On January 03 2008 18:42 GTR-2-Go wrote: mind is probably the most unpopulest starleague champion of all time.
I have a feeling he's a rising star.. I expect his fanbase to grow.
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Damn it won't work oh well! Come on Mind and Sea!
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hmmm no live reports I guess i'll do em. Map Katrina Mind at 12 Zerg at 9. Mind opened 14cc and zerg did no spawning three hatch. My stream died then came up like 2 seconds ago.
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On January 03 2008 18:41 Elsi wrote:GOM player giving me some error screen on the right hand side looks like im using an illegal version???
its just gay like that.. u just have to keep clicking it. if you push "LIVE" button and gets error, then ull need to refresh it (left click on right panel and press f5)until it doesnt give you error.
when click live.. it doesnt give error.. but blank on video panel.. ur in right track. just keep clicking on live button until you see stream video.
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Hey, did GOM revamp or something? It looks sleeker.
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Mind moving up to 6 rax and moving forces out. It is like 4 tanks 2 groups of mnm and a vessel. Zerg backstab denied entrance to mind's base. Zerg now throwing up defiler mound and has 4 bases. Mind losses a control group of rines because of shitty control. Mind tries to drop but dship destroyed by 2scourge. Mind's army is destroyed and is getting pushed back.
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Mind lost a group of reinforcements to two lurkers that weren't even on hold, then loses his attacking force, then loses a dropship to scourge. I think Zerg might actually win -_-
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Hogil is way way in the lead after breaking Mind's attack and scourging the dropship.
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thx jaesung!
i'll keep on trying!
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I missed the intro, is it on youtube?
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Mind's window of opportunity closed, squashing his fingers.
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so, several things happened at once:
mind loses some reinforcements to two lurkers, mind loses his advancing army to lings, lurkers and mutas, mind loses a dropship to scourge without unloading anything.
and while i'm writing this it's:
mind loses another dropship, mind's 2nd expo is under attack by lurkers under dark swarm.
yes, zerg has this.
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Mind is taking his third base and is adding another rax. Zerg attacking mind's third with 5 lurks and a defiler. Mind evacuates his base. Mind tries another drop but is denied again by scourge and mutas. Ultra cavern going up and mind isnt paying attention to his marines and a control group dies.
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Hogil's defiler plays is really strong here, it's like his defilers have 300 energy. Swarms everywhere. The position is hopeless for Mind.
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wow, what a disaster by Mind
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bisu and savior fans alike rejoice!
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mind lifts his third cc and he doesn't really have an army. More marines dying to zero control. Zerg pushing up to minds main platform with a few lurkers and Mind looks like he is about to gg. Zerg is pushing further in and mind has about 2 control groups of rines now. Ultras out and mind ggs
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Hogil dominated the champ, amazing.
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T___________T;;;;;;; chinese socks 5 for gom anyone? T_T;
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Well, thats what I'd call an upset a nonmae champion losing to a no name zerg.
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Mind's most damaging attack that game was the 2 drone kills the wandering firebat got.
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hogil is a pretty decent zerg but i didnt expected him to win.....
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On January 03 2008 19:01 NovaTheFeared wrote: Mind's most damaging attack that game was the 2 drone kills the wandering firebat got.
3 drone kills
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Well done by Hogil, Mind let the game go there.
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eh wtf happened, my GOM stream just died on me. Anyone else??
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OMG! fucking mind man!.. I hope motherfucking sea loses in purpose and then takes mind out
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hit play agian. or hit the dmb button till you get a menu, and find msl buttons agian
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GO SEA
if you can beat Jaedong, you can beat any zerg
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when i click on the live link on the gom site it opens the player then proceeds to do nothing is anyone watching with the english gom player?
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I hope sea wins so we don't have to see more TvT's, but I'd prefer he loses.
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Map blue storm Zero at top right Sea at bottom left
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I hate GOM... why wont it starT :/
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YES GOM recovers just in time for sea match. GO SEA! I want some liquibet points ><
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4 people are 5/5 only lol
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standard play on both sides
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Sea first rax at his choke and sends a scout Zerg 12hatching and sending a drone scout a little later. Sea building cc at nat and has 1 rine out. Zerg 3rd hatch plopped down
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I figured out how to get it to play using your connection (without proxy), just go here: http://www.xroxy.com/proxy-country-KR.htm and use one of these http proxies to navigate to the page in GOM tv where it has the orange button to play, now alt-tab to IE, disable proxy, and spam the orange button. Worked for me with the second proxy on the list
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lol u can see their CRT screen flashing. I found that amusing for some reason.
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My gom tv gas been working perfect since I started using the proxy servers from south korea. just a bit hard to do the searchs and stuff, but once it streams it... it's fine. Just be patient and keep on clicking on that shit
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I love Sea[Shield] always uses the same build. He's got a hella strong TvZ
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Sea has a small of 7rines medic and fbat moving through mid and is moving up to 3rax. Zerg goes in and kills 2fbats at nat w/o losing a zling. 2zling harass in main and like 7zlings outside of sea's nat. More zlings being added. Sea w/ like a control group of rines and turrets and factory going up
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Quick switch to lurkers from Zero. Scanned.
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Lol first time I ever saw a stack of mutas run from a single rine
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Mutas out and starport starting for sea. Mutaling attack and zerg loses all zlings and a few mutas. Sea has about half his army left which is a control group.
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and yet they dont run from a mass of rines ^_^
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Zero is playing really aggressive.
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elsi, if you still having problem.. try this make sure u have latest gom.. pressing F1 gives you version of gom(mine is 2,1,8,3683)
open your gom.. open IE to here.. http://live.gomtv.com/cgi-bin/live_sub_msl.cgi?gid=2076 and make sure IE doesnt have any error.. as long as your IE doesnt have error + if you see red or oj button. (error is (!) on status bar) (internet explorer cannot display webpage is OK as long as you see red and oj button) click red or oj button.. and it will try to run stream on gomplayer
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Zerg adding a fourth base at his min only. He took the bottom right expo a while ago. 4lurkers finished and moving across map. Sea doing a two starport build.
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SK TERRANIII SK TERRAANEEEEEE SK TERRANEEEE :O
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this doesnt look good for sea
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Zerg's army is a few mutas and 5lurkers. Sea goes in to attack and zerg moves lurks back. Defiler mound being shown and Zerg's army is actually like 20lings and 10lurkers.
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wow that was close... too many rines!
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way too many mothafuckin rines
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WTF is sea doing, standing there for 10 seconds attacking an egg?
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Sea grabbing his min only. His army is 2vessels and 2 and a half control groups. Zerg attacking part of seas army and kills it. Zerg tries to engage Sea's main army and sea kills all of the lurks. Defilers out
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This zero kid looks like he's 11
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Oh OH... YES YES YES ACTUALLY ! :D Sea will knock fagget ass mind out
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omg WHY THE ZERGS TODAY ARE PLAYING SO STRONGLY ??? I THOUGHT THEY WERE MEDIOCRE ......
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Zero playing pretty good!
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Zerg tries to expo at 6 but sea find it and forces the cancel. Zero kills a small force of mnm with zlings n swarm. Sea expoing at 10. and Zero trying again to expo at 6.
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He's getting all those vessels too
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Sea is being strong with his passive play though...
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Sea.. please.. kill this zero.
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Fuck I hope sea loses but I dont think he will though :'(
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I don't think he will, 3 base macro kicking in.
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Zero should get plague probably...
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Sea attacking 6 again and forces the cancel. Zero now tring to expo at 12. Sea's force at 6 killed off by some lurks and lings. Zerg keeps losing groups of lings to rines. Sea attackin 12 and zlings kill off the 6 rines attackin but about 20rines arrive and kill 12 off. Zero suicides 4lurkers. a few Zlings in sea's main base but sea deals with it quicklu.
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zero's lack of plaguing is hurting
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There we go, good plagues at just the right timing
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Could the maestro win a game like this one ?
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His lack of gas too. I mean you can't expect to beat sea with defiler ling. No lurkers, nothing.
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Sea kills off zerg's expo at 6 and another group of lings wasted. First plague goes off and zerg trying to expo at 12 again. First ultras out. Plague does off and zero kills off a small rine force. Sea shows restoration. Sea has about 25 rines at his min only Zerg trying to sneak some lings into main but all get destroyed. Sea with like 30rines moving out and kills off like 2ultras and some lings. Sea discover 6 and forces cancel
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Well seems like his ultralisk timming was off. He played pretty good... map is Blue storm though.
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I'm gonna start calling sea "200/200 Terran"
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making a really good last attempt though
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Sea is using restoration. Zerg Kills off Sea's 2 control group force but another group of rines comes and kills off the remaining zerglings.
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nonstop action, though see always seems to have the bigger army.
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thx jaesung for ur help, still doesn't work though!
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Why dont they call sea ... lililoveoov
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Sea has got a mass making machine!
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i guess sc2 or yaoyuan for you elsi D;
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lol Sea dmatrixes an ultra when Zero ggs
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I think hydra lurk defiler would have been more suiting for this 200/200 90% infantry style.
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Zerg trying to get into Sea's nat through the middle lane but wastes alot of zlings. Like 20. Zero engagingterran army but it dies quickly. Another attempy to expo at 6 by zero. The zerg engages and his army dies. Zero ggs
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aaaw Cute Sea good manner.. got to love that guy!
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ah, sea in winner's game. things are going according to my (evil) plan...
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On January 03 2008 19:34 InfesTeD]i[ wrote: Why dont they call sea ... lililoveoov
somebody in the korean media please catch on
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Impressive effort from Zero. GO Sea! another 2-0 for the belt please.
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On January 03 2008 19:35 Silverflame wrote: lol Sea dmatrixes an ultra when Zero ggs
i saw that. i lol'ed. reminds me of Casy doing it on GGplay's zergling several months back in daum osl
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ROFL! Never seen that before. After Zero GG'd, Sea used the 2 second delay to D-matrix an ultra and then attack it. It was amazing.
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Sea's macro was great there, not a lot Zero could do in the face of it.
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i like the face of zero.... cute
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Well the real thing is that I think this Zero kid if plays good like that again could take mind out
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lolololol
wonder girls vs girls generation
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2 of Z in this group really crazy. I'm wondering if Mind can get through this one.
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Did Sea even say gg? All I saw was mensol say it and leave and nothing else.
Mind vs. Sea next? I'm assuming Mind won his first game.
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Mind lost, it's hogil vs sea.
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On January 03 2008 19:41 rushz0rz wrote: Did Sea even say gg? All I saw was mensol say it and leave and nothing else.
Mind vs. Sea next? I'm assuming Mind won his first game. lol... nope. "Champion" going down.
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Mind lost haha. need some more ircers!
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btw, Mr.Pizza is love for women.
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wow i fuckin did it! i fuckin made gom play! and i didnt even do anything special just hammered the respective buttons hoping for no error over and over again. After 30(!) minutes it miraculously began to play. What a pain :[
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woot 4 freakin tvzs in a row how awesome is that
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i am hoping for a zvz fifth game...
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it started to lag on irc so I got out quick.
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Ok game 3 about to start. Map: Loki Zerg at top right Sea at bottom left
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Fuck Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu rushzOrz... jk ;p
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c'mon lililoveoov, take down this styleless Zerg Zerg
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On January 03 2008 19:49 Sunyveil wrote: c'mon lililoveoov, take down this styleless Zerg Zerg
update the goddamn results.
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haha, he plays AND wipes his hands on his bandana every minute.
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Zerg 3hatch Terran 1rax cc Lair finished for zerg and Sea moving his 7rines around the map. 3rax and fac going up for sea. Spire almost finished
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Zerg taking a fourth base at 12. Mutas killing a few scvs and rines. Mutas killin even more scvs at Sea's nat. Ahh stream video dies but I can hear mutas dying
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Zerg was doing quite a bit of damage with muta harass until he decided to attack half a dozen rines head on, losing 3-4 muta before pulling back.
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That was a good flank until he decided to run way into the nat.
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On January 03 2008 19:58 Silverflame wrote: Zerg was doing quite a bit of damage with muta harass until he decided to attack half a dozen rines head on, losing 3-4 muta before pulling back.
It's possible that he was multitasking elsewhere, but I've played enough games to know that looks like mutas getting stuck where they won't retreat.
Also Sea is fucked. Hogil's harass did tons of damage, and the 4 base massive hogil army is pinning sea down and now going into the nat
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o no too many lurks
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oh god no zerg is probably going to win
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4 base to 1 now, Sea had to float his cc and is contained under his ramp.
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ok stream finally back on and Zerg has like 4 loutside of sea's nat. Sea with 2bunkers at nat and 2 vessels. Zerg goes in and 1bunker dies and Sea evacuates his nat and lifts cc. Zerg with about 4 lurkers and some zlings left. Vessel goes down. Lurkers trying to go up ramp but sea defends easily with a defensive matrix. Zerg loses most of his lurkers but more are on the way Sea's back expo is running
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omg i have the biggest feeling that sea is gonna pull this one
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Zerg lost around six lurks trying to break up Sea's ramp, but Sea's nat is lifted, though he's now mining from his back expo.
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omfg... what an incredible defensive move by Sea. Lurkers burrow on ramp, he dmatrixes the marine getting hit, marines kill like 7 lurkers. He's still in pretty bad shape though.
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Well, whoever Hogil is, he's got a solid ZvT. Mind and Sea isn't exactly cake.
That means one of Sea or Mind isn't moving up.
Edit: Sea is still alive. Whoa.
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Sea manages to retake his front nat with a few tanks, he may have a chance now after all.
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Zerg just sitting at Sea's nat with 5 lurkers and some lings. Sea is retaking his nat and it's showin his fp. Zerg taking his 5th base now and Sea is moving out and chasing four lurks. Sea kills all of the lurks and is attckin 12
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Hero dmatrixed firebat allows Sea's small one control group kill 4-5 lurks, Zerg's 4th base going down!
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holy shit, did anyone see him set rally points? I could barely even see what wa shappening, incredibley fast...
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DROPSHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIPpppppppppp
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Actually sea might crawl back if he plays solid defence.
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Aaaaaa dead dropship nooo
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Lurks trying to attackin sea from behind but Sea kills em all. Sea dship moving out and 12 is down. Dship is scourged and sea moving to 10 where zerg's 5th is at. Hatch doing down. Defiler mound shown and defilers out already.
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Sea taking down Zerg's top left expo now
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lol, can't believe sea got out of that on top. but now he has full upgrades, and killing zerg expansions.
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JESUS! Sea is in like bus driver mode like oov, steam rolling everything, dropship flying to HoGiL's back expo now, gets taken out by scourge though.
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Oh, that dropship would have been doom.
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Sea making a comeback?? 3 base to 3 now after Sea made a really nice attack on 12 and followed it up with killing top left expo.
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From 1 base vs 4 to 3v3 in 3 minutes. Wow.
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Sea moving out decent rine tank force but zerg has swarm. Sea tries to attack zerg nat but forced out by swarm. Zerg reexpoing at 12 and sea expoing at 6.
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Yeah Sea retakes nat and takes down 2 expos (almost 3) in the blink of an eye. Talk about timming and zerg trying to break the ramp too hard.
Swarm save the zerg for now...
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lol, 5 exp to 4. 5 _terran_ exp.
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SEA FOR THE COMEBACK AND WIN
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Sea has his 4th base up now. Sea picks off a few stray lurkers. Sea shown attack zerg's nat and sea has another base up so that's his 5th/ Sea takes down nat and zerg ggs
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gegeeeeeeeeee (from hogil).
amazing game by sea.
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Okay biggest comeback of 2008 so far?
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Sea takes 6 expo, breaks into Zerg's nat, Zerg GGs
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God HoGiL basically threw away that game with trying to get up the fucking ramp.
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Sea... you are AMAZING! Deserves freaking #4 in the PR. Ok this was a great group, I know its not over but what can I say, I simply don't give half a damn about Mind and if he makes it... I'll read about it tommorow, maybe :-) GO SEA! your title awaits, your destiny can wait no longer!
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I guess losing those 7 lurkers going up Sea's ramp was a big enough mistake to allow Sea to pull through.
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camera man showing a worried mind.
mind for 0-2!
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come on mensol! take out Mind!
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Was not looking too positive for Sea there. Excellent comeback.
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Boxer's Prophecy 2008 is the year of Sea Sea is the new Bonjwa Fakesteve you were right
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rofl
how the hell did that happen lol
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LOL it would be beyond awesome if that ugly nerd lost in the group stage, go go no-name Zerg!!
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Sea really grew up a lot, coming back from that one
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Mind stinks ass... Will everyone see it right now?
(If he looses Im out)
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On January 03 2008 20:08 InfesTeD]i[ wrote: Okay biggest comeback of 2008 so far?
more like the first..
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Yeah, Fakesteve must be enjoying himself.
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Looking back, Sea's position was never THAT bad, as when he had to lift his front nat, he started mining from the back nat. While Zerg had 4 bases, he actually didn't have a whole lot of drones, and was still far from hive tech. Zerg should've powered while keeping Sea contained. Instead he got excited and tried to push up the ramp, losing 7 lurkers, and thus, the game.
Still, <3 Sea for the comeback
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Mind being crushed here would greatly appease my inner Bisu/Oov fan, particularly after seeing Bisu stumble around ill in December.
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this year sea will win both MSL and OSL
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plz win mind I want 5tvzs in a row!!!
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NOT!
Please 0-2 for mind....
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Hell yeah, HE IS MBC GAMES SEA SHEILD, and 2008 is his year 100% agree samach. I dont want mind to win >_>
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On January 03 2008 20:10 samachking wrote: Boxer's Prophecy 2008 is the year of Sea Sea is the new Bonjwa Fakesteve you were right
okie. whatever man. Sea hasnt won anything yet. bonjwa doesn't mean anything anymore. people throwing that word around to anyone who has a good game.
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Looking at Mind, I can't help but wonder how he can see anything out of those tiny eyes.
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On January 03 2008 20:17 Midori wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2008 20:10 samachking wrote: Boxer's Prophecy 2008 is the year of Sea Sea is the new Bonjwa Fakesteve you were right okie. whatever man. Sea hasnt won anything yet. bonjwa doesn't mean anything anymore. people throwing that word around to anyone who has a good game.
Oh yeah?! Was boxer ever wrong, NEVER.
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Boxer's washed up. Been washed up for quite some time now.
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On January 03 2008 20:18 DragoonPK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2008 20:17 Midori wrote:On January 03 2008 20:10 samachking wrote: Boxer's Prophecy 2008 is the year of Sea Sea is the new Bonjwa Fakesteve you were right okie. whatever man. Sea hasnt won anything yet. bonjwa doesn't mean anything anymore. people throwing that word around to anyone who has a good game. Oh yeah?! Was boxer ever wrong, NEVER. you are annoying.
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Map Loki Zerg at top right Mind at bottom left
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mind really must be the most unpopular starleague winner ever.
half the comments on GOMplayer are hoping that he goes 0-2
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On January 03 2008 20:19 Midori wrote: Boxer's washed up. Been washed up for quite some time now.
that's a good way to make friends on this forum
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On January 03 2008 20:22 Sunyveil wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2008 20:19 Midori wrote: Boxer's washed up. Been washed up for quite some time now. that's a good way to make friends on this forum it not like Midori said anything that horrible. it's true, and everyone knows it.
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On January 03 2008 20:22 LosingID8 wrote: mind really must be the most unpopular starleague winner ever.
half the comments on GOMplayer are hoping that he goes 0-2
Because of his play, attitude, and nerdy face.
I dont like seeing him win, he doesn't look like a champ T_T
I hope he goes 0-2 and cries
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On January 03 2008 20:23 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2008 20:22 Sunyveil wrote:On January 03 2008 20:19 Midori wrote: Boxer's washed up. Been washed up for quite some time now. that's a good way to make friends on this forum it not like Midori said anything that horrible. it's true, and everyone knows it.
A LIE
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On January 03 2008 20:22 LosingID8 wrote: mind really must be the most unpopular starleague winner ever.
half the comments on GOMplayer are hoping that he goes 0-2
picture of mind on hall of fame
no cheers
gg
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On January 03 2008 20:24 InfesTeD]i[ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2008 20:22 LosingID8 wrote: mind really must be the most unpopular starleague winner ever.
half the comments on GOMplayer are hoping that he goes 0-2 Because of his play, attitude, and nerdy face. I dont like seeing him win, he doesn't look like a champ T_T I hope he goes 0-2 and cries
I agree, he is abit too wierd...
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On January 03 2008 20:18 DragoonPK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2008 20:17 Midori wrote:On January 03 2008 20:10 samachking wrote: Boxer's Prophecy 2008 is the year of Sea Sea is the new Bonjwa Fakesteve you were right okie. whatever man. Sea hasnt won anything yet. bonjwa doesn't mean anything anymore. people throwing that word around to anyone who has a good game. Oh yeah?! Was boxer ever wrong, NEVER.
Boxer was predicting very bright future for Stork, and yes he was not that wrong; he couldn't have known of Stork's addiction to losing Starleague finals.
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Terran 1 rax cc Zerg 3 hatch
Zerg going fast dual evos
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I think the only reason why no one at all likes Mind is because he is that fucking plain generic boring and brings nothing to the Terran race.
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LOOOOOOOOL
"1 Chembo".... Ohhhh
"2 Chemboo" ... Yaaaaa
Ohhhh
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"TWO CHAMBAH! THO CHAMBAH, UPGRADAH!"
"YAAA"
<3 korean announcers
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INTOTHEWOW FOR NEXT BONJWA
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I shoulda said it before game started but I knew the zerg was gonna go for 5-3 Ultras :D
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It's time for the 761 who voted Mind as the new star player for 2008 to reveal themselves.
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Mind moving out with 8rines and 2medics. Zerg has 3sunkens and spire morphing. Queens nest going up already
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i love the mbcgame commentators only for the sole fact they exaggerate so much on the most littlest things.
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Zergs putting fourth hatch in main and hive going up already 1 muta out and zerg with 4sunks n 2 creeps colonies
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This is a really interesting build/fakeout.
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I don't know crap about zerg so fill me in.. Is this a novelty or is this a known build? Crackling rush with 1/1? I'm lost.
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Zerg knows he is a no name so he s trying to be remembered with some weird ass Build
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On January 03 2008 20:30 InfesTeD]i[ wrote: Zerg knows he is a no name so he s trying to be remembered with some weird ass Build
That statement is win.
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Another creep colony going down. Jeez freakin sunken whore another going down so 8 in total. actually 9. Hive finished and Mind moving around map with 1 and a half rine groups. Dship out and heading to zerg's back nat. Scourge chasing dship but mind saves. 10 colonies in total for zerg. Mind going to starports and zerg losing some lings. 6ultras out.
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Fuck man... I swear I dejavu about this build... I was gonna post something about Zerg going straight into ling/ultra but didnt T.T
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seems like a fairly good build. ultra den up now.
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I have to admit, that's a lot of ultras.
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I wonder how his ultras are supposed to get out with all those sunkens.
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Zerg buildin 4th base. lol ultras cant get out cuz so many sunkens!
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lol, zerg getting his herd rdy now.
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This build was stolen from me
Well kinda, I just went 3hatch muta and skipped lurkers entirely and went straight for cracklings and ultras.
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Does he know he only needed to kill the 1 colony?
..Like.. Should I tell him?
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It's a sad day for sunkens.
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Eh, Mensol is such a pro at those Sunken Defence UMS.
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omg wtf 9 freakin ultras out. terran with 3 vessels I cant see the ups looks like 1-2 ultras. Mind dropping zerg's 4th at 10 and hatch does down
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The new 'star player' in 2008 will be.... Mind (761) 42%
HAHAHAHHAH
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Zerg rehatching at 10. Mind has like 3 control groups of rines. an Irradiated ultra dies and zerg has like 11 ultras. Zerg attacking and 5 of his ultras are irradiated. Zerg backs off
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good strategy, terrible execution
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This Zero guy sure is fun to watch.
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I gotta admit Mind is handling this way too easy FUCK!
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Zerg cancels expo attempt and zerg engaging terran with defiler. Terran runs back and zerg chases. Mind has a crap load of rines and the ultras run back to the cover of the swarm. Zerg attack again and kills like 10rines. Zerg has an expo built at 10 and 12. Mind has a small force attackin 10 and he is about to kill it.
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'I'm going to make 40 of this big units, they seem good"
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I voted for Mind. Him having a bad day doesn't mean anything.
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On January 03 2008 20:33 IntoTheWow wrote: The new 'star player' in 2008 will be.... Mind (761) 42%
HAHAHAHHAH
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i'd say he has the upperhand right now...
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On January 03 2008 20:35 Sawajiri wrote: This Zero guy sure is fun to watch.
Yeah. I agree that he is pretty entertaining.
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On January 03 2008 20:36 IntoTheWow wrote: 'I'm going to make 40 of this big units, they seem good"
Lol This Zero dude is genuis
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i cant really tell, minimap looks like T3 vs. Z4
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On January 03 2008 20:37 iloveHieu wrote: base count please. Mind 3. Zero has 4 - 5. I can't see how many of them are active though.
Oh, mind just took a couple, 3 base vs 3base.
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I have a feeling that mind could actually lose this
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Expo at 10 is down again Mind irradiating ultras with his 5 vessels but two of them go down to vessels. Mind has his 4th up at 6. Mind looks like he is going to attack the zerg army, but is flanked by like 4ultras. I think the ultras are full upped atm. Mind taking down 12 and moves on to kill 10
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nevremind this Z doesnt know how to use defilers
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Another terran army moving out and zerg doesn't have much left. Terran eraser killing nat drones Mind attackin zerg sunken line and swarm with ultras make him back off Terran shutting down another zerg expo and the zerg ggs
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Damn. Hogil to finish off ugly nerd!!!! >.<
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that was painful to watch. zerg lost that game purely on control mistakes.
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On January 03 2008 20:37 IntoTheWow wrote:
I like how they censor the inappropriate gesture
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I liked the build but I think thats something you try in Proleague or something...
So anyways like I said if Mind wins Im out...
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damn, nice try mensol. Blame your team and lack of gosu terrans.
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Lets see if the night will end with an upset or not
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Damn, I was hoping that one wouldn't go to mind. The responsibility of preventing Mind falls to Hogil, then.
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intothewowness give me the link to where the fuck you get all the cool pictures all the time plss
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On January 03 2008 20:42 Sunyveil wrote:I like how they censor the inappropriate gesture
i dunno, but they should definately explain + Show Spoiler [this] +
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I enjoyed watching that. Winced a few times as zerg made huge mistakes. Fun nonetheless. Hogil to win game 5 you guys think? :D
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On January 03 2008 20:42 Sunyveil wrote:I like how they censor the inappropriate gesture
Censoring the inappropriate gestrure? You're joking, right?
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On January 03 2008 20:44 GTR-2-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2008 20:42 Sunyveil wrote:On January 03 2008 20:37 IntoTheWow wrote: I like how they censor the inappropriate gesture i dunno, but they should definately explain + Show Spoiler [this] +
The explanation would be he looks cute in it
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Sunyveil, why aren't you updating you OP?
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intothewowness give me the link to where the fuck you get all the cool pictures all the time plss 2
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On January 03 2008 20:42 Sunyveil wrote:I like how they censor the inappropriate gesture
I think the blurr on the hand can be explained by the fact that the camerafocus is on the face, but I'm no cameraexpert.
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On January 03 2008 20:46 Hittegods wrote: Sunyveil, why aren't you updating you OP?
or someone give me results pls.
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On January 03 2008 20:47 Storchen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2008 20:42 Sunyveil wrote:On January 03 2008 20:37 IntoTheWow wrote: I like how they censor the inappropriate gesture I think the blurr on the hand can be explained by the fact that the camerafocus is on the face, but I'm no cameraexpert.
Bingo.
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Hogil over Mind Sea over mensol Sea over Hogil Mind over mensol 5th game to be played
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Good morning everyone Im going to bed
Fuck Mind! Please lose to some fucking 4 pool or something Adios
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op sucks at updating. dont op anymore!
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On January 03 2008 20:49 Alethios wrote: Hogil over Mind Sea over mensol Sea over Hogil Mind over mensol 5th game to be played
Thanks.
Go Hogil! (haha)
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he was probably a Mind fan, then went to cry himself to sleep when HoGiL beat him.
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On January 03 2008 20:55 rushz0rz wrote: he was probably a Mind fan, then went to cry himself to sleep when HoGiL beat him. lol, too bad he posted on page 15 T_T
and ugh that opening video thing is uglyyyy i hope they have a better one coming up
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Map: Zodiac Mind at 6 Hogil at 12
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On January 03 2008 20:55 WingSandrockX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2008 20:51 rushz0rz wrote: op sucks at updating. dont op anymore!
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Hogil 9 pool Mind 1 rax cc Mind sees the 6zlings leaving the base
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On January 03 2008 20:47 Storchen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2008 20:42 Sunyveil wrote:On January 03 2008 20:37 IntoTheWow wrote: I like how they censor the inappropriate gesture I think the blurr on the hand can be explained by the fact that the camerafocus is on the face, but I'm no cameraexpert. But you ARE romanian.
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standard 3rax and ebay after CC for mind
hogil going lair, looks like 3hatch spire.
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mind scouts around alot with one scv, replaces it when its down to 5hp with a fresh scv, thus saving 1 scv. cute
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Mind looking sharp this game.
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On January 03 2008 20:53 KizZBG wrote:annoying isn't it? :p
agree.....really annoying...now i have to go through 15 pages (or at least the last pages )to read the result!
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a lot of going back and forth around center of the map by both players.
hogil splits his speedlings into two groups, maybe for a sandwich after the mutas come out. lets see hogil's muta micro.
looks like it won't work though, mind has a lot of turrets with good timing.
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Hogil moving up to 3hatch and spire going up Marines are just walking around the map Mutas kill a few rines and zlings take out stray fbats
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speedlings kill three firebats that were isolated... maybe hotkeys messed up?
mutas running around the middle of the map, gets a few kills here and there.
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damn it, Hogil is giving me a pulse here. I want mind to lose!
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On January 03 2008 21:06 LosingID8 wrote: speedlings kill three firebats that were isolated... maybe hotkeys messed up?
mutas running around the middle of the map, gets a few kills here and there. I think they were looking to harass a possible 2nd expo.
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sci vessel tech up for mind, 4th rax gong up.
lurks out for hogil, who has an expo at 9.
3 tanks for mind out.
zerg setting up contain with lurks and lings outside of mind's nat. zerg is going hive.
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If mind times his attack right before defilier he, as he seems to be doing now, I dont think hogil willbe able to stop it.
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On January 03 2008 21:07 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2008 21:06 LosingID8 wrote: speedlings kill three firebats that were isolated... maybe hotkeys messed up?
mutas running around the middle of the map, gets a few kills here and there. I think they were looking to harass a possible 2nd expo. 3 bats without any medic?
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First luker out and mind loses 3 rines for no reason. Mind has 4 tanks at his nat and zerg teching to hive Mind is moving out n' Zerg has 7lurkers and some zlings. Zerg kills of stray group of 6rines
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does anyone think mind is trying his superhardest to be a bisuer (always qualify second from your group)?
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jesus christ mind...you disappoint me=/
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that's it... beat the nerd back, nice and steady.
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ok the terran ball is really huge compared to hogil's group.
7th rax going up for mind.
defiler mind going up for hogil. hogil using a few units here and there.
nice play by hogil going behind and killing off reinforcements but the major ball is still huge.
zerg just screwed up and many mutas just died.
oh crap good defiler use by hogil, pushes mind all the way back to his base.
hogil has a good nydus system up.
mind has good upgrades, his units aren't dying very quickly to lurks.
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Mind seiges outside of zerg nat Zerg has a defiler and stops the terran push. MInd is being forced back and lost quite a few rines Zerg attackin mind's 3rd and mind defends easily. Drop at main of hogil but he easily defends
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On January 03 2008 21:11 GeLaar wrote: that's it... beat the nerd back, nice and steady.
hahahah
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Wow at that defiler control.
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who rapes who? =/ that's confusing
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crap. not looking too splendid for hogil.
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I never thought I'd be cheering for the relatively unknown zerg, but come on Hogil.
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Spore colony lol .
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Zerg forces Mind to lift his third. Mind is at the zerg's nat but hogil casts a swarm quickly to stop the push Mind's third just getting cleared and he is attackin the zerg's fourth expo of hogil. Hogil casts a swarm to defend and ultra cavern up now. Zerg expoing again to the platform next to his main.
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On January 03 2008 21:11 GeLaar wrote: that's it... beat the nerd back, nice and steady. pssst youre a nerd too
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Whats with all the Mind hate?
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It hurts to watch this, it hurts.
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hogil stops minds expo from running but mind is camped right outside of hogil's nat. mind loses a few vessels. it looks like mind is heading over to hogil's expo but the expo has a nydus canal OMG perfect swarm timing, lurk only had 5 hp left, sick plague too. mind could get outmacroed here. hogil looks like he's had 4 gas for a while.
mind is doing a good job of sniping defilers with sci vessels.
a few ultralisks are coming out for hogil.
2 dropships at 9 for mind, kills a few units but doesn't do enough damage. 3 dropships reloading, going to attack 9 again. very successful, the expo is down.
hogil going to attack the 12oclock expo again with lurker and swarm.
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Very nice drop by Mind! Very nice counter by Hogil! Ultra cavern saved! Great game going on.
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Wow man HoGiL is dealing SO WELL with pretty much everything has been throwing at him. He really deserves to advance!
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Dual dship at the 9main expo and hogil defends well. Mind with 3dships loading at his nat and he sends them to 9 again. 9 's nydus goes down. Hogil attacking mind's third with a lurk and swarm. 9 expo down and mind doesn't notice his third is getting attacked. Mind attacks the platform expo and kills it with like 7 rines
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On January 03 2008 21:15 samachking wrote: Whats with all the Mind hate?
he's a new guy kicking ass, need more? pfff @ fanboys (of players owned by mind )
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oh my god mind kills the 6olock expo right before his last marine dies.
mind has taken the island expo, and mind has just killed hogils 3oclock. this looks pretty much over.
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For a moment there I thought I was seeing the second coming of JesusZerg, but then Hogil missed swarms with 2 defilers on the 3 dropship drop and another a little later.
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On January 03 2008 21:15 samachking wrote: Whats with all the Mind hate? A lot of people on Tl.net are apparently teenage girls
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On January 03 2008 21:15 samachking wrote: Whats with all the Mind hate? Get on the bandwagon already.
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Hogil had the pressure but lost it.. gg i guess.
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Man, Mind really fears Hogils defilers now :D. Followed and killed one running past half of Hogil's nat. Hogil still fighting.
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Mind is ugly, brings nothing to the game, and has the charisma of my dirty laundry.
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Yea whats with the mind hate ? I mean his game is really nice sometimes you gotta admit =/ Hogil is playing really well, those swarm positioning is stopping mind alot, cmon mind , advance at least once rather than losing at bracket rounds =/
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Mind has the island expo and hogil has 3 but mind finds it and is killing it. 3 goes down and mind advancing through the middle of the map. Mind takes down two ultras and the game is almost over. Mind at hogil's nat killing stuff Mind is walking into hogils main with a small rine force. 9 is running again for the zerg but is gets dropped on
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Mind showed some real skill this game. Really solid micro/macro skills to dominate after failing with his first push.
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On January 03 2008 21:19 Sawajiri wrote: Mind is ugly, brings nothing to the game, and has the charisma of my dirty laundry. Post your pic.
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mind macroing his ass off and just walks into hogil's natural, and walks up the ramp into hogil's main.
another dropship to 9oclock, kills it again.
reinforcements arrive for mind at hogil's nat.
another dropship at the 7oclock expo behind hogil's min line.
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Damn, after that first game and Sea going into overdrive to stop him, I was hoping Hogil would advance.
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Tech buildings going down for Hogil. Eventually repulsed. Drops in his remaining expansions... Attempted counter to Mind's 3rd expo, succeeds. 3 expo's each, massing forces...
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Mind attackin zerg's nat and all the zlings die. Zerg attack minds 3rd expo with some lurkers and hogil clears his nat. Mind drop at the nat of 9 and the drones run. The drop is cleared by lings. All the scvs from Mind's 3rd die to a few lurkers.
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Mind is a little bastard with those dropships full of mnm.
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lol two slow overlords drop Mind's island expo
doesn't matter, Zerg gg's
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Mind advancing again with a decent forcce. Hogil defending with zlings and defilers, Mind dropped at 9's nat but it is dealt with quickly. Hogil drops ultras at the island expo of mind with slow lords Mind enters hogil's nat and zerg ggs
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Scourge roaming everywhere except where Mind's vessels are. Slowverlord drop on Mind's island. Hogil too far behind though... Mind at Hogil's nat... GGs
Nice game. Sea and Mind advance..
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After watching some of Hogil games, he should be known as swarm zerg =/ He really has great control over the defiler's swarm, but somehow he always screws up in late game.
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On January 03 2008 21:22 LosingID8 wrote: GG mind advances. hahahah
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That bandwagon seems to have ran into a ditch O_o
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Pfft, I predicted one upset, and I was correct Winning when it really counts is a quality of a champion.
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GODDAMNIT. How did he just steamroll those 2 zergs?
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On January 03 2008 21:19 Sawajiri wrote: Mind is ugly, brings nothing to the game, and has the charisma of my dirty laundry.
But he's a much better sportsman than most progamers, he always gives respect to the enemy, and he plays damn well.
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sea + mind 3/4
its how i have predicted
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This sucks. Next dude, whoever he is, to get rid of ugly nerd, plz.
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On January 03 2008 21:25 Sawajiri wrote:This sucks.
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Mind won a close game after a huge early lead. Toothless 9 pool into no damage muta should be easier to beat, but Hogil had moments of brilliant defiler control.
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On January 03 2008 21:26 wAVEland wrote:
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2 Terrans... again... fuck this shit
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very sexy match :D
go mind!
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On January 03 2008 21:25 Sawajiri wrote:This sucks. Next dude, whoever he is, to get rid of ugly nerd, plz. If you're going to call people ugly, post your pic, ok sexy man?
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Nobody cares what I look like. Starcraft Korea, however, is a spectator's sport, and the players are responsible for drawing in fans. It's the sad, hard, cold truth that nobody, including me, wants to see ugly people on TV.
As people have said, another reason why people hate Mind, apart from being Ugly Nerd, is because he adds fuel to the fire of all those people frustrated with the Terran race for repeatedly beating more innovative players with completely standard and boring play. A lot of people have been disillusioned with Terrans for ages, and Mind is just the prime example for it.
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poor hogil, he had to face 2 TvZ gods in sea&mind, although he came very close to winning 2 out of 3
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mind is NOT a tvz god for the sake of fuck. what's he now? like 8-9 or so?
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When did everyone morph into Thegreatbeyond overnight? Hahahaha.
I wouldn't have Mind if mind lost, but I'm not going to have some weird vitriolic hate against a good player that isn't named FBH or Stork.
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On January 03 2008 21:19 Sawajiri wrote: Mind is ugly, brings nothing to the game, and has the charisma of my dirty laundry.
Nerdy Terran ? lol
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On January 03 2008 21:41 Sawajiri wrote: Nobody cares what I look like. Starcraft Korea, however, is a spectator's sport, and the players are responsible for drawing in fans. It's the sad, hard, cold truth that nobody, including me, wants to see ugly people on TV.
As people have said, another reason why people hate Mind, apart from being Ugly Nerd, is because he adds fuel to the fire of all those people frustrated with the Terran race for repeatedly beating more innovative players with completely standard and boring play. A lot of people have been disillusioned with Terrans for ages, and Mind is just the prime example for it. Personally I expect my bw players to be nerdy looking. They play a computer game for a living. If you don't like Mind's play, then fine. But for christ sake, shut up about him being an "ugly nerd" in every post.
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Funny enough, I like FBH, and don't really mind Stork. I guess different players push our buttons....
And I'm going to keep calling Mind however I want, thanks very much. Fine, I'm going to say something good about him, true to "always look on the bright side": at least Nada's happy when he wins, and it's good for the battered WeMade. I can only assume he's of enormous help to both the reputation and the team spirit of WeMade.
Edit: I'm also looking at it from a Korean perspective, where looking good is generally far, far more important than in the West and looking bad and nerdy as a TV personality is pretty unacceptable. A player's looks are just as important as his skills for his popularity, and charisma tends to end up being the tie-breaker.
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On January 03 2008 21:47 wAVEland wrote: mind is NOT a tvz god for the sake of fuck. what's he now? like 8-9 or so? yeah i don't really care what mind's TvZ stats are over such a small sample size, the kid has an MSL championship already and 3-2ed savior, plus he looked pretty awesome against Hogil. I am not coming up with this opinion from statistics, but from watching the games.. the kid is really good imo. Although I may throw around the term "TvZ God", too loosely for some people as I could probably name 4-5 Terrans that qualify for that. And yea Hwasin/Iris are TvZ gods as well if you were to ask me.
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What impresses me most about Mind is he always makes the correct decesions. He may not always execute them very well, but hes always playing with the right idea in mind. And it gets him wins.
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People overrate his win against Savior last MSL. Savior played far from his best those games, and the same can be said about Bisu in the final. He pulled a GoodFriend, basically beating better players because they underperformed. That being said, he is of course a solid player especially at TvP but not top 10 material. He might become top 10 in the upcoming year though since he's still young.
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On January 03 2008 21:50 Sawajiri wrote:Funny enough, I like FBH, and don't really mind Stork. I guess different players push our buttons.... And I'm going to keep calling Mind however I want, thanks very much. Fine, I'm going to say something good about him, true to "always look on the bright side": at least Nada's happy when he wins, and it's good for the battered WeMade. I can only assume he's of enormous help to both the reputation and the team spirit of WeMade. Well of course you can continue talking about his appearence if you want. But I thought this was a bw site. Perhaps you could go to the mall if you want to talk about shoes, hairstyles and, "looking cute"? I'd rather not deal with it when discussing brood war.
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Beating Savior no longer proves nearly as much as it used to. FBH, too, beat Savior in a BO5, and that was back when Savior was in a better form than he is now. Savior's arrogant attitude against unproven players (and sometimes even plain bad ones like PJ) has been hindering him more and more in recent history. Jaedong won't make that mistake when he meets Mind, and when they do, that will be when this, um, unfortunate-looking man's TvZ will finally be really tested.
I liked what I saw of Hogil today, but he's no Jaedong yet. Hopefully he can improve his play to his full potential. Also props to Zero for the innovative build, it would be great to see more of him in PL.
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Who cares. Mind and even better Sea won. People try to bitch about every player who's in the spotlight. There were countless of posts how boring oov's style is and how lame savior was for doing the same shit each and every time. And usualy as soon as a good player starts to fall people magicaly start to care about him.
The problem with mind here is that he succesfully beat all great names allready. The only one that's left is stork. And with his timing sense i don't see him loosing this. You can flip it day in day out how you wan't only time will tell how good he is, that's the problem with his career.
All i see here is he won. And that's all that matters for now.
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Mind appears to be having more antis than just about any other Starleague winner before him - if not here on TL, then definitely here in Korea. Nobody cheers when he comes on the stage or wins, on forums and chats people are cheering for him to lose and I have yet to meet a Mind fan in person. You had your share of Savior-antis, of Nada-antis, Bisu-antis, oov-antis and you had especially many random-out-of-nowhere-Starleague-winning-dudes-antis, but I don't ever remember it being like this.
Obviously, there has to be reasons for this.
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On January 03 2008 22:42 Sawajiri wrote: Mind appears to be having more antis than just about any other Starleague winner before him - if not here on TL, then definitely here in Korea. Nobody cheers when he comes on the stage or wins, on forums and chats people are cheering for him to lose and I have yet to meet a Mind fan in person. You had your share of Savior-antis, of Nada-antis, Bisu-antis, oov-antis and you had especially many random-out-of-nowhere-Starleague-winning-dudes-antis, but I don't ever remember it being like this.
Obviously, there has to be reasons for this. Yes and the reason is: Hes a completely unknown player who beat 3 other HUGE STARS in order to win a starleague right off the bat. On top of that, he did it with flawless standard play. Which doesn't add to excitement. Oh and the third reason.. a lot of people are faggits and care more about hair/fashion than brood war skills.
However, if mind wins another starleague you can gurantee his fanbase will grow by leaps and bounds.
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hes just not very cool.
the wins were not flashy.
i have to admit, i very much disliked mind after he won the msl. i am a savior fan, however, i watched more of him in the proleague and i think he is the real deal. i would not be surprised if he made another run here.
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Thanks Mind, thanks so much for losing to Pause Zerg and losing me a liquibet point. -.-
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Who cares?
Sea advanced.
Go Sea!
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sea should really win something. kid has been raping for ages but always gets into the shittiest groups of death. go sea!
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Sea will live to choke another MSL.
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wow I'm pretty proud of my write up.
www.sc2gg.com
Should have gone with my initial gut and had hogil winning game 1
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The first game between mind and hogil was a tossup. Both had similar TvZ records, and Katrina is a balanced TvZ map. Nevertheless, it was heartbreaking to lose that Liquibet point .
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On January 03 2008 23:09 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2008 22:42 Sawajiri wrote: Mind appears to be having more antis than just about any other Starleague winner before him - if not here on TL, then definitely here in Korea. Nobody cheers when he comes on the stage or wins, on forums and chats people are cheering for him to lose and I have yet to meet a Mind fan in person. You had your share of Savior-antis, of Nada-antis, Bisu-antis, oov-antis and you had especially many random-out-of-nowhere-Starleague-winning-dudes-antis, but I don't ever remember it being like this.
Obviously, there has to be reasons for this. However, if mind wins another starleague you can gurantee his fanbase will grow by leaps and bounds. Doubt it. If he does, he'll be taking down another bunch of big names and everyone'll be hating again.
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Pretty much expected, Sea with a nice comeback, solid from Mind after game 1, both looking like contentders.
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Woot, 3/4 Fuckin' HO-gil.
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yakii I <3 you, ty for the vods ^_^
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On January 03 2008 22:42 Sawajiri wrote: Mind appears to be having more antis than just about any other Starleague winner before him - if not here on TL, then definitely here in Korea. Nobody cheers when he comes on the stage or wins, on forums and chats people are cheering for him to lose and I have yet to meet a Mind fan in person. You had your share of Savior-antis, of Nada-antis, Bisu-antis, oov-antis and you had especially many random-out-of-nowhere-Starleague-winning-dudes-antis, but I don't ever remember it being like this.
Obviously, there has to be reasons for this.
I'm a fan of Mind. I love overachievers, especially when they overcome huge odds. I'm happy he made it through.
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2 T t_T and battle report...always the player who was winning lost... 5 games..5 comebacks? t_T
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On January 04 2008 07:24 Kacas wrote: 2 T t_T and battle report...always the player who was winning lost... 5 games..5 comebacks? t_T Didn't see the matches.... But they were all comebacks? No straightforward wins?
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On January 03 2008 22:15 Sawajiri wrote: Beating Savior no longer proves nearly as much as it used to. FBH, too, beat Savior in a BO5, and that was back when Savior was in a better form than he is now. Savior's arrogant attitude against unproven players (and sometimes even plain bad ones like PJ) has been hindering him more and more in recent history. Jaedong won't make that mistake when he meets Mind, and when they do, that will be when this, um, unfortunate-looking man's TvZ will finally be really tested.
I liked what I saw of Hogil today, but he's no Jaedong yet. Hopefully he can improve his play to his full potential. Also props to Zero for the innovative build, it would be great to see more of him in PL.
calling PJ a plain bad player is fuking stupid.
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You can't seriously be trying to tell me PJ isn't plain bad by Korean pro standards, which is obviously what I'm judging him by because Savior, too, was judging him by none other than these Korean pro standards by the time of their match. Evaluated with other (non-Korean) standards, PJ is naturally excellent, but compared to the likes of Savior, it's crash and burn - which makes him plain bad when pitted against any of the top Korean players, and plain bad in the viewpoint of any given top 30 Korean pro. Seriously, you can't even argue against this.
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On January 03 2008 23:09 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2008 22:42 Sawajiri wrote: Mind appears to be having more antis than just about any other Starleague winner before him - if not here on TL, then definitely here in Korea. Nobody cheers when he comes on the stage or wins, on forums and chats people are cheering for him to lose and I have yet to meet a Mind fan in person. You had your share of Savior-antis, of Nada-antis, Bisu-antis, oov-antis and you had especially many random-out-of-nowhere-Starleague-winning-dudes-antis, but I don't ever remember it being like this.
Obviously, there has to be reasons for this. Yes and the reason is: Hes a completely unknown player who beat 3 other HUGE STARS in order to win a starleague right off the bat. On top of that, he did it with flawless standard play. Which doesn't add to excitement. Oh and the third reason.. a lot of people are faggits and care more about hair/fashion than brood war skills. However, if mind wins another starleague you can gurantee his fanbase will grow by leaps and bounds.
Mind is playing with your minds. In a game vs. Oov, Mind just outlasted Oov. Oov gg'ed prematurely. And I thought Mind hiding the Starport and making enough wraiths, not overcommitting to an air force to counter Bisu's carriers, was brilliant. Even the hidden Academy in his only loss to Bisu was art. If he waited five seconds longer before moving out with his mmf force, he would have won that one. I also think Mind learned from Bisu's FPOVs, seeing when Bisu goes to his base to macro--which is sometimes after commanding goons and zeals to attack. So, when Mind built those depots to hinder paths to his tanks and vultures, that was just cerebral.
Though I love Bisu for being the only Protoss to win big relatively consistently, I applaud Inter.Mind for his fantastic play.
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The game where Oov gg'ed prematurely: I think you are talking about the first game in their bo3 on loki II? In that game the entire map was taken/ split in half and both player had turreted up extensively. Mind won by using an engineering bay to draw fire from ~10 turrets in order to drop at the critical expansion at 10 o'clock. The tanks and goliath dropped there stayed there until the end of the game, denying the minerals from Oov's last base. Another example of excellent play from Mind.
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Just watched this on the VODs. Zergs played a lot better than I expected. WP Mind and Sea though
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On January 04 2008 06:55 BlackSphinx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2008 22:42 Sawajiri wrote: Mind appears to be having more antis than just about any other Starleague winner before him - if not here on TL, then definitely here in Korea. Nobody cheers when he comes on the stage or wins, on forums and chats people are cheering for him to lose and I have yet to meet a Mind fan in person. You had your share of Savior-antis, of Nada-antis, Bisu-antis, oov-antis and you had especially many random-out-of-nowhere-Starleague-winning-dudes-antis, but I don't ever remember it being like this.
Obviously, there has to be reasons for this. I'm a fan of Mind. I love overachievers, especially when they overcome huge odds. I'm happy he made it through. I really hated mind when he beated savior cause i thought he was like silver and was gonna be raped like 3-0 vs bisu. And oov was actually in the best shape but than i saw his games. He has nice multitasking but hes a really smart player and hes good not lucky. He does look sort of uncharasmatic though compared to like bisu but hell get there. Look at nada hehe
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