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South Africa4316 Posts
Predictions This group has Gorush in as a veteran player, Light as a young but fairly established player, TheManiaMST as an fairly experienced but not really established player, and LuCifer as a inexperienced player that has been doing well.
GoRush > TheManiaMST TheMania had a very good Seoul tournament recently (I believe he used the nickname Memory in that tournament), but I still believe that Gorush will simply outplay him. It will be interesting to see a ZvT on Blue Storm again, the only one I've see so far was Yarnc vs ForGG and Yarnc had the advantage, but no will to play it seemed. The map should make this game interesting.
Light < LuCifer A long shot, perhaps more what I want to happen than what I expect to happen. Still, LuCifer has only played against Terran players so far, and he has done well. Hopefully he can pull off another win. Loki II is also a nice protoss map, so I'm betting Lucifer!
GoRush will go through with two wins, TheManiaMST will fall out with two losses. And it will be up to LuCifer to see if he can beat Light in the loser's final.
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Gorush/Light will most likly go trough to the next round. Even tho i think that Gorush have the least chances of these 2. Light has always been lurking in the top terrans, but never got his breaktrough, his skill is better than these players imo. Gorush is not as stable and he's advancement in MSL last season was just some pastgoing fortunes. Lucifer or Mania are both upcoming promising players and both have potential. I dont have much hope for Gorush, even tho teoretically he has odds on his side, but his hights are gone.
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On October 04 2007 18:00 ThePhan2m wrote: Gorush/Light will most likly go trough to the next round. Even tho i think that Gorush have the least chances of these 2. Light has always been lurking in the top terrans, but never got his breaktrough, his skill is better than these players imo. Gorush is not as stable and he's advancement in MSL last season was just some pastgoing fortunes. Lucifer or Mania are both upcoming promising players and both have potential. I dont have much hope for Gorush, even tho teoretically he has odds on his side, but his hights are gone.
Pastgoing fortunes? He raped the shit out of Sea[Shield]. He just lacks the skill in ZvP where he always tries for the all-in builds and fails miserably.
Anyway onto the group, GoRush and Light will qualify.
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Im hoping for GoRush and Lucifer...
only because we already have enough T's advancing as it is.
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I'd like to see Light/Lucifier advance, but it'll probably be Gorush/Light. Light has the TvP/TvZ to get him through this hope, but if Mania beats Gorush it'll bugger everything up.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
i have.... Lucifer > Light Gorush > Mania Lucifer > Gorush Light > Mania Light > Gorush
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On October 04 2007 18:12 HaXxorIzed wrote: I'd like to see Light/Lucifier advance, but it'll probably be Gorush/Light. Light has the TvP/TvZ to get him through this hope, but if Mania beats Gorush it'll bugger everything up. light's tvt is more than enough to deal with mania
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On October 04 2007 18:08 AyOnY wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2007 18:00 ThePhan2m wrote: Gorush/Light will most likly go trough to the next round. Even tho i think that Gorush have the least chances of these 2. Light has always been lurking in the top terrans, but never got his breaktrough, his skill is better than these players imo. Gorush is not as stable and he's advancement in MSL last season was just some pastgoing fortunes. Lucifer or Mania are both upcoming promising players and both have potential. I dont have much hope for Gorush, even tho teoretically he has odds on his side, but his hights are gone. Pastgoing fortunes? He raped the shit out of Sea[Shield]. He just lacks the skill in ZvP where he always tries for the all-in builds and fails miserably. Anyway onto the group, GoRush and Light will qualify.
Imo Sea[shield] isnt that skilled as many wants him to be. He has lost so many games with these major hicups, followed by some chobo progamer raping him. But yes, Gorush ZvP is lacking alot, and im not saying he wont advance, but im saying that if im going to chose between Light and Gorush, Gorush isnt advancing.
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Go Park Tae Min Fighting !
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51133 Posts
Light/Lucifer are my picks. I just don't think GoRush is in enough form to pass through.
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51133 Posts
Mania must read my guide on proxying ^^ (he's doing a bsb)
EDIT: Make that BBS
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Blue Storm really is a proxymap.. no doubt.
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51133 Posts
lol mania is microing like how i microed against a 14nexus build ~_~
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his proxy backfired.. gg, gorush to winners.
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jesus what a stupid ass crappy terran. poorest bbs i've ever seen.
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NO BUNKER????
stupid me trying to predict an offset at liquibet here T_T. this was so poor.
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that was...pretty pathetic
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Haha that's a counter for you.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On October 04 2007 18:32 GTR-2-Go wrote: Light/Lucifer are my picks. I just don't think GoRush is in enough form to pass through.
never doubt Tae Min
anyone else see GoRush denying Light a high five after that game hahahah
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i dont know why but lucifer reminds me of midas.
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Lucifer is kinda goodlooking. he has a fair face.
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On October 04 2007 18:56 Storchen wrote: Lucifer is kinda goodlooking. he has a fair face.
yeh thats more precise
the eyes must of reminded me of midas O_O.
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51133 Posts
ooh lucifer looks like he has a Microsoft media keyboard and not the standard samsung det-35 one.
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lol gas trick from lucifer
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Lucifer steals the gas and use the time to fast expo @3
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Light now has a fac + 4 rines Lucifer just finished his assimilator and started building core.. 2 gateways and a running expo.
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Light goes double expo.. nat and hidden one.
has a vulture out and researching something, probably siege since he has mines.
Lucifer makes a move with 3 zeals and 2 goons.
vultures and minnes stop him outside lights nat.
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lol mines kill some of lucifers retreating goons
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Lucifer expoes at nat aswell.
Light has a bunker at nat which lucifer attacks with 4 goons.. a tank is there aswell so lucifer retreats, and walks into mines. 2 goons dies the other 2 is down on red.
lucifer adds 3 gateways to a total of 5. robo + obs along with citadel.
Light addsa 3 facs to a total of 4.. starport aswell.
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Lucifer warps in a stargate and a fleet beacon.
Light build a sci fac.
Lucifer starts building one carrier. 12 goons holding middle.. light moves out with some tanks and vuktures..
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both players waiting for the other one to make a move.. Light tries some vulture harass.. and some dropping.. nothing effective.. Lucifer warps in 2 additional stargates to a total of 3...
Light has goliaths.
Lucifer hs lots and lots of goons.
first carrier out.
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51133 Posts
Light has a shitload of expansions for a Terran vs P :O
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Light got his min only expansion and starts another one at 6.
I think lucifer got his min only aswell.. Both players massing up..
Light starts his fifth expansion at 11.
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Carriers on loki...
Didn't see that coming
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Loads of goons, goliaths, tanks and zeals roam around the map..
action in the middle.. lucifer retreats. more action.
Lucifer now moves out with carriers.. kills of the expansion at 5 while lights tries to kill the min only of lucifer.. Carriers rescues it though..
Lucifer has around 5 carriers..
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Lucifer fights back Lights army with carriers, zeas and goons.. Light enters the main with vultures..
Lucifer attacks the bottom expansions of light..
Light attacks the min only again. Kills it this time.
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nvm, 2 corner ones got killed.
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Light has lots of expansions but Lucifer kills alot of them with either carriers or goons.
lots of action a great game.
goliaths kills some carriers.. Lucifer has an expo at 12.
out of minerlas on his hidden one and in main.. light still has 3 expoes, and lots of goliaths.
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Light kills lucifers probes at 12. the nexus is still alive. Carriers gets pummeled, but lives.
Lucifer sends ground units to take out goliaths.
lucifers newly built nexus at min only gets killed by tanks.
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ok I'm gonna stop livereport and enjoy the game.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
T_T!! anyone going to continue?
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good shit by lucifer. light knew about these carriers the second light put down his first stargate but hes being torn apart by them unfortunately my stream decided to freeze for the last few minutes of the game;[
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Light outmacroed lucifer.. lots of expoes.
Lucifer played really nice though.. nice micro and harasses.
Light played solid though. defending well and killing of the expoes.
I'm impresed by lucifers play though. nice micro during the whole game. Could have built more temps earlier.
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dont think lucifer needed that many carriers...he just stopped making ground after a while
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carrier harass is an ugly thing, but light is pimp enough to crush it.
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amazing play by Light, exceptional multitasking, not to mention his perfect reaction to early gas steal. he's truly composed both mentally and mechanic-wise
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can someone post the link please sc2.org doesnt work for me
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On October 04 2007 19:27 houseurmusic wrote: can someone post the link please sc2.org doesnt work for me
this may be a long shot but you know you have to be logged in to watch the streams right? they should be working
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sc2.org works fine for me
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got it to work steve thx. For someone reason last time I tried I couldnt connect
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would be great if someone can do some updates here every now and then (especiall when the games are coming to an end since i gotta add the gosubets atm ^^)
cant watch it because im at work
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lol i dont know why its funny but i got a chuckle after seeing "something special" for light's cheerful
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"not first but best" ... oh dear
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Dammit I really wanna watch this game but stream (sc2.org) so laggy T_T.
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On October 04 2007 19:34 HiTexas wrote: "not first but best" ... oh dear It's true
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imo GomTV has the best stream.
I' off to school.. Go Lucifer!
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Wow lonnngggg delay between games...must be the GoRush effect.
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God i hate how GoRush takes like 30 minutes to get ready for a game...
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GoRush YellowZ @ 2 Light GreenT @ 8 Maps python
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GoRush 12hatch 11pool Light with 1 rax after his depot
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Light makes CC after his first rine still 1 rax Gorush makes a 3rd hatch
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Light makes CC after his first rine still 1 rax, adds another rax now Gorush makes a 3rd hatch
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GoRush has lair done and starts a spire, also starts 4th hatch in main. Light comes out with some M&M. Now has 3rax and his expo up
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thx for teh reports, guys
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Spire is done and gorush making mutas. Mutas out going to harass Light defends easilly, Gorush tries to muta ling the front but got owned, damn my livereport blows
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GoRush is playing horribly this game. Lol and as I say this he easily crushes Light's mnm
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GoRush muta/ling again this time got some kills cos Light moved out, light find gorush's attempted expo @ 12 and attacks it with i think +1 rines, GoRush comes with lings and saves it.
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Another M&M force takes out 12. GoRush goes for lights nat once again with 2 lurks mutas and lings but lings were too slow and Light easily took uot the lurks.
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Go Light, make my predictions right for once!
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Valhalla18444 Posts
hhahahaha light makes fun of firebathero
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light did a...fbh ceremony?
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I wonder what FBH will have to say about that.
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Light moves out with vessel tanks and BIG M&M force, has 6 rax GoRush has like 6 lurks running around the map buying time for defiler, Light sieges @ GoRUsh's nat takes down sunkens defiler out 1 swarm goes off GoRush's pitiful army gets raped GG.
Light > GoRush omfg -_-
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Light just raped gorush..
Nice play =]
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I closed sc2.org as soon as GoRush lost. Thank god i didn't need to see a FBH-like ceremony.
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Man that muta-ling attacked sucked major... and GoRush had like a total of like 15 or less lurkers the whole game... Light played really solid. WOW 999 posts xD.
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What did light do to resemble fbh?
sorry my streams arent working so reading live reports.
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On October 04 2007 20:01 Camlito wrote: What did light do to resemble fbh?
sorry my streams arent working so reading live reports.
he did the whole "oh no i'm gonna fall on my ass" impersonation with the flailing arms
cept he had a -_- face while doing it
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On October 04 2007 20:05 strongwind wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2007 20:01 Camlito wrote: What did light do to resemble fbh?
sorry my streams arent working so reading live reports. he did the whole "oh no i'm gonna fall on my ass" impersonation with the flailing arms cept he had a -_- face while doing it
ok, thankyou.
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light
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Lucifer hugely failed by not placing a pyon in the wallin spot=/
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Ok its official, FD is no longer a solid tvp build on the pro level Credit to lucifer though.
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Russian Federation987 Posts
On October 04 2007 20:12 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Ok its official, FD is no longer a solid tvp build on the pro level Credit to lucifer though. Why so?
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LOl nice by mania. Takes out 2 maybe 3 dts in his base by moving an scv over and killing it with tank
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On October 04 2007 20:14 Organ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2007 20:12 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Ok its official, FD is no longer a solid tvp build on the pro level Credit to lucifer though. Why so? Ps have gotten too good at removing mines with zealots/goon dancing micro. A skilled protoss these days can take out mines too easily. The build is no longer safe vs 2 gate pressure.
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Braavos36362 Posts
It's a lot more safe if the T can lay mines where the P doesn't see him. It's much harder to minesweep when you have no idea where the mines are, and it seems T's these days are getting greedier in where they place them. They need to be safer and just put a bunch in defensive positions instead of trying to contain so much.
(I'm not watching live so I'm not sure if this is what happened in the game, I'm just saying generally.)
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True, but so often these days ps are waiting for the T already even as he's comming down the ramp by cutting probes for a really early 3 goons with range and 2 more on the way.
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what happened in the game? is it over?
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Ya, P couldnt get out of the push that destroyed his natural. While Mania already had his Min only fully running. P realized it was hopeless and gged out.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
that was a good game, real intense with a lot of little micro tricks
goon dance vs mine, scv+siege splash to kill DTs
then lucifer drags a mine into some tanks using a shuttle and a DT, picking up the DT before the mine explodes to bring it closer to the tanks
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Ya I agree. Lots of nice micro this game. Especially loved manias scv + tank splash vs dts as it really saved his ass and let him get back into the game. Had he not been able to pull it off he wouldve had to lift his facts and wouldve had dts in his base a lot longer than he did. This let him move out with the correct timing and eventually take out the P natural. Really well played.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
Yeah, I loved the first person of him doing that. He looked like he could do it in his sleep; purely mechanical
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one more win gogo park tae min
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Mania 8 raxing as a white terran at the 3 position. GoRush is going 12 hatch at 12 the position. GoRush could be in trouble if Mania plays this right.
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please not another 4 hatch muta/ling build with horrible execution : (
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5 drones fighting 2 marines and 2 scvs. 2 drones down. 1 marine down. 3 drones down. 4! Halfway built bunker with no scvs on it. Lings are out now but mania was already on the way back. Excellent rush from Mania. He should be safe from the counter. Has a CC going down and took out 4 drones plus made gorush make 8 lings. Well done.
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Mania scouting Gorush. 8 lings giving chase but the scv gets away. Mania moving out with 8 mainres now for a timing attack before sunkens are down. Academy going down. Still 1 rax and the cc is about to land. Mania moves back before pressuring the zerg. Gorush made a colony but didnt morph it into a sunken.
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Lair started for Gorush. His sneaky scv gets by the lings again and past the sunken. He sees the lair. So he will know the exact right timing. Gosu scv
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how many drones did gorush lose? 4, 5?
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that seriously was one half-assed bunker rush
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MOving out with 1 medic 9 marines and a fb. Scanners going down on his ccs. 1 medic and 1 fb guarding the ramp.
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He catches gorush with only 1 sunken done and takes it down quickly. Gorush forced to pull drones and loses a good number of them. The other 2 sunks finally morph and stop the attack. Gorush struggling here.
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On October 04 2007 20:47 strongwind wrote: that seriously was one half-assed bunker rush It was just supposed to draw the drones and take out as many as possible while he expanded. It wasnt a commited bunker rush...
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Gorush microing nicro against a smallish mnm army in the T main. Gets a good number of rine kills but looks like it will only be superficial damage. Lings and mutas comming into the T nat! Lings get 2 turrets but marines hop in a bunker and scare the ary away. Mutas go to the main now and pick off scvs outside of turret range. This muta harass his hurting but Gorush's economy is weak so it may not be enough. Really great muta control though. Gorush is going all muta/ling it seems but tryint to take out as much as he can before commiting. Lol Scvs run from the nat and mutas keep comming. Mania is in trouble!
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Mutas take down 2 turrets. Mania obviously thought gorush would switch to lurkers as he has 2 tanks. He was wrong though and it could cost him as Gorush has a HUGE number of mutas now.
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GoRush needs to make a move soon before the T army gets unmanagebale.
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Gorush has his army positioned near the T nat. Finally starting another hatch at 9.
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T is 1/1 now and is moving out! Could be trouble for Gorush as he still is only using ling/muta. However Mania fears a counter and wont commit. Gorush makes the move running in with MASS Muta and ling. He gets a lot of mnm kills but the T army holds as Z loses all but 8 or so mutas. Loks tough for Z. Hes starting a queens nest and finally morphing lurkers. But T already has 4-5 tanks. Gorush trying to by time by picking off stray mnm nicely.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
what the fuck gorush
what the hell was that
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So many Muta lost, come on Gorush :/.
Edit. fucksake, Wth are you thinking Gorush.
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mnm catch the first 3 lurkers out of position and slaughter them. Ouch Tanks shelling the Z nat. Zerg trying to respond with his limited army. It gets crushed. Gorush looks unhappy as he well should He GG's out. Well played by mania. Gorush needs to stop using All in builds. They are too easy to read and adapt to.
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gorush lost his damn mind
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On October 04 2007 20:57 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: what the fuck gorush
what the hell was that What were you expecting to happen? It was only a matter of time before T's army got too large to be fought by muta/ling.
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South Africa4316 Posts
0/4, awesome betting
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On October 04 2007 20:58 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2007 20:57 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: what the fuck gorush
what the hell was that What were you expecting to happen? It was only a matter of time before T's army got too large to be fought by muta/ling.
i was expecting a fucking guardian play
instead he just putzed around until mania had 30 marines
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And another two Terrans advance. Damnit.
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i was expecting guardians too. with that many mutas there really is no other option
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Well, gorush was going to all in with those units. But he pussied out. I think he had a decent oppening to just go in. That would have giving him SOME kind of chance at winning. Instead, he just sat there until it was too late. Then he goes for expo + den and shit hoping to play normal? Yea right.
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great 2 more Ts advance if there wasnt enough already
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Wow is GoRush fucking stupid? He had like 20 mutas and harassed for like 10 minutes any moment i was expecting him to morph guardians didn\'t know whether he had hive or not, and then the obs shows on GoRush\'s main and he doesnt even have lurkers or even a queens nest done, seriously wtf? He harassed for like 10 minutes and had muta ling only... man that is so dissapointing rofl...
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On October 04 2007 21:00 AyOnY wrote: Wow is GoRush fucking stupid? He had like 20 mutas and harassed for like 10 minutes any moment i was expecting him to morph guardians didn\'t know whether he had hive or not, and then the obs shows on GoRush\'s main and he doesnt even have lurkers or even a queens nest done, seriously wtf? He harassed for like 10 minutes and had muta ling only... man that is so dissapointing rofl...
it wasnt guardian rush. He figured he was way behind losing 4 drones to the fake bunker rush. He then made only muta ling for an all in attack. He was harassing to pick off marines and look for a opportunity to hit the nat. He was scared cus of bunker and turrets probly. He should have just went for it, since he would obviously have zero chance of winning if he didnt.
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all the damn matchups in the ro16 are brutally lopsided for one player or the other now , besides the obvious hwasin-bisu and savior-stork
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omg two terrans through amazing
ive never seen this before
TERRAN PRIDE!!
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On October 04 2007 21:04 gameguard wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2007 21:00 AyOnY wrote: Wow is GoRush fucking stupid? He had like 20 mutas and harassed for like 10 minutes any moment i was expecting him to morph guardians didn\'t know whether he had hive or not, and then the obs shows on GoRush\'s main and he doesnt even have lurkers or even a queens nest done, seriously wtf? He harassed for like 10 minutes and had muta ling only... man that is so dissapointing rofl... it wasnt guardian rush. He figured he was way behind losing 4 drones to the fake bunker rush. He then made only muta ling for an all in attack. He was harassing to pick off marines and look for a opportunity to hit the nat. He was scared cus of bunker and turrets probly. He should have just went for it, since he would obviously have zero chance of winning if he didnt.
Yea i'm saying I was really expecting it because he was in Mania's base for like 10 mins and he obviously saw no sign of vessels, starport was barely done and he had mutas already =/
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Maaan... I really hoped Lucifer will pull something outta his ass and qualify somehow...
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On October 04 2007 20:05 strongwind wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2007 20:01 Camlito wrote: What did light do to resemble fbh?
sorry my streams arent working so reading live reports. he did the whole "oh no i'm gonna fall on my ass" impersonation with the flailing arms cept he had a -_- face while doing it
I need to see this. ~_~
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United States20661 Posts
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terran
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come on bisuuuuuuuuuuu saviorrrrrrrrrrr!!
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thedeadhaji
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wtf.
I got both the first round games wrong, but both the qualified players correct.
That's gotta be a first for me.
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On October 04 2007 20:59 Daigomi wrote:0/4, awesome betting
You bet AGAINST Light, GoRush, and then either of them to make the final? lol
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ARGHHHhh WTF TAE MIN. WTF TAE MIN.
IDSJLKGHDLGHXCN<BNM
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
Holy shit GoRush that was the most frustrating piece of shit I've seen in awhile.
That one moment when all of Mania's marines were in his main and there was only 1 bunker and 4 turrets with 2 tanks at his nat I was like "NOOOOOW"
but the fucker just splits and starts harrassing again.
So then I'm thinking maybe Guardian rush?
But no.
I want to smack GoRush.
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Where is that killer instinct, GoRush?
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