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Hello all,
I just wanted to bring awareness to the upcoming RCG 2021 Americas Qualifier. It will be a joint Qualifier for North and South America, with the top 2 gaining spots to the Round of 16 for RCG 2021. It's an open qualifier.
When: June 5th 12pm PST/3pm EST Where: Server: US West, Channel: op rcg2021. Check in: Starts 30 minutes before the event. Sign up here: https://challonge.com/rcg2021_am
Russian Cyber Games 2021
Maps: Blue Storm 1.2 Circuit Breakers 1.0 Eclipse 1.2 Fighting Spirit 1.3 Match Point 1.3 Neo Sylphid 2.0 Tau Cross 1.1
Qualification schedule: Former Soviet Union, June 5, 2021; 15:00 MSK North & Latin Americas, June 5, 2021; 15:00 EST Europe, June 6, 2021; 15:00 CEST World, June 12, 2021; 15:00 CEST
Grand Final, RO16, Online stage: Group Drafts, June 13, 2021; 19:00 CEST RO16, Group A & B, June 26, 2021; 15:00 CEST RO16, Group C & D, June 27, 2021; 15:00 CEST
Grand Final, Offline stage: RO8, August 14, 2021; 12:00 Vladivostok time (GMT+10) RO4, August 15, 2021; 12:00 Vladivostok time (GMT+10)
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Artosis
United States2135 Posts
why is north america and south america combined? can't fathom this.
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kinda of a weird choice, indeed..
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Russian Federation1888 Posts
On June 03 2021 19:04 Artosis wrote: why is north america and south america combined? can't fathom this. Last year NA champions abastained to participate in grand finals. Ty2 signed off, Models signed off (resulted in necessity to host "last chance quali"), Dragon was about to sign off, if we did not convert RCG to online format.
Naturally my esport.fund committee and I assumed that North America is not interested in the tournament, but unifying Americas is a better option than leaving NA without a slot at all. With Six BSL spots two Americas and one World spot USA and Canada have nine chances out of sixteen.
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how is former soviet a category? maybe also include former ottoman (Bulgaria, Greece etc), former roman empire, former german empire? those countries has nothing to do with soviet except russia. very strange naming of a category.
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maybe former aztecs for south america? former indians for usa
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I see many of you don't understand that in Russia the former soviet union is neither seen nor felt as Former. Plus... as is often said in that part of the world (homeland for me) ''Those who pay order the music''
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Russian Federation1888 Posts
On June 03 2021 23:02 LfunkGG wrote: how is former soviet a category? maybe also include former ottoman (Bulgaria, Greece etc), former roman empire, former german empire? those countries has nothing to do with soviet except russia. very strange naming of a category. As far as I remember you are somewhere from the Baltics? Sorry for offending your minorities feelings, it was not my intention. I never thought that stating something historical may offend anyone. "Former Soviet Union" is just much shorter than "Russia + Commonwealth of Independent States + Ukraine + Baltics + ...", and 15 former republic names are easily googlable.
Please feel free to participate in EU and World quali only if this is somehow offending. Taking part in FSU would have just granted you two extra chances, nothing more.
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On June 03 2021 19:04 Artosis wrote: why is north america and south america combined? can't fathom this. there is almost no talent in NA, wouldn't deserve a qualifier of its own.
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Artosis
United States2135 Posts
On June 03 2021 21:58 Rus_Brain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2021 19:04 Artosis wrote: why is north america and south america combined? can't fathom this. Last year NA champions abastained to participate in grand finals. Ty2 signed off, Models signed off (resulted in necessity to host "last chance quali"), Dragon was about to sign off, if we did not convert RCG to online format. Naturally my esport.fund committee and I assumed that North America is not interested in the tournament, but unifying Americas is a better option than leaving NA without a slot at all.
it isn't the rest of NA's fault that the people who happened to win that terrible format of bo2 swiss decided not to play.
1 spot for RCG 2020 champion - makes perfect sense, every tournament should do this.
3 spots for BSL 11 top 3 3 spots for BSL 12 top 3 - its great to have integration for BSL in RCG. All these players certainly deserve to be there. that being said, BSL is heavily European favored already.
2 spots for Soviet Union - it is the Russian Cyber Games, so thats cool.
4 spots for Europe 2 spots for Combined NA / SA - what????????
So for 16 spots total, there will probably be 1 North American player and 13 European players.
You can do what you like with the tournament, but its a shame to see something this unfair when it could be so great.
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On June 03 2021 21:58 Rus_Brain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2021 19:04 Artosis wrote: why is north america and south america combined? can't fathom this. Last year NA champions abastained to participate in grand finals. Ty2 signed off, Models signed off (resulted in necessity to host "last chance quali"), Dragon was about to sign off, if we did not convert RCG to online format. Naturally my esport.fund committee and I assumed that North America is not interested in the tournament, but unifying Americas is a better option than leaving NA without a slot at all. Well.. okay.. that actually makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the clarification, boss
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On June 04 2021 06:29 Artosis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2021 21:58 Rus_Brain wrote:On June 03 2021 19:04 Artosis wrote: why is north america and south america combined? can't fathom this. Last year NA champions abastained to participate in grand finals. Ty2 signed off, Models signed off (resulted in necessity to host "last chance quali"), Dragon was about to sign off, if we did not convert RCG to online format. Naturally my esport.fund committee and I assumed that North America is not interested in the tournament, but unifying Americas is a better option than leaving NA without a slot at all. it isn't the rest of NA's fault that the people who happened to win that terrible format of bo2 swiss decided not to play. 1 spot for RCG 2020 champion - makes perfect sense, every tournament should do this. 3 spots for BSL 11 top 3 3 spots for BSL 12 top 3 - its great to have integration for BSL in RCG. All these players certainly deserve to be there. that being said, BSL is heavily European favored already. 2 spots for Soviet Union - it is the Russian Cyber Games, so thats cool. 4 spots for Europe 2 spots for Combined NA / SA - what???????? So for 16 spots total, there will probably be 1 North American player and 13 European players. You can do what you like with the tournament, but its a shame to see something this unfair when it could be so great. TerrOr, Dandy and UltrA already qualified via 6 BSL spots
so NA kinda have their work cut out for them in the Americas qualifiers, I think. Not many super top notch SA players left but quite a lot of NA ones. If they want to play, that is..
And there's always that one last spot that can be obtained via World Qualifiers.. It's manageable
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Best of latam is already represented, so np there, but only 2 spots for basically 3 regions (NA, LAS, LAN) is not enough, imagine if dandy terror and ultra didnt do well in bsl... LAS and LAN are suffering because 2 selfish mofos didnt show up for the finals... dafuq?
the amount of hype RCG has in latam is INSANE, so why SA has to pay for NA being shitty?
i understand that rus_brain is doing what seems logical from a bussiness pov, but this is the greatest shit foreigner bw has had since wcg, so pls consider making it better, not worse ^_^vvv
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Russian Federation139 Posts
NA/LA has still 3rd quota in wolrdwide qualis
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On June 04 2021 07:43 M3t4PhYzX wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2021 21:58 Rus_Brain wrote:On June 03 2021 19:04 Artosis wrote: why is north america and south america combined? can't fathom this. Last year NA champions abastained to participate in grand finals. Ty2 signed off, Models signed off (resulted in necessity to host "last chance quali"), Dragon was about to sign off, if we did not convert RCG to online format. Naturally my esport.fund committee and I assumed that North America is not interested in the tournament, but unifying Americas is a better option than leaving NA without a slot at all. Well.. okay.. that actually makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the clarification, boss
I'm not really sure it does make sense; it's holding a region responsible for the actions of individuals. From a tournament organizer perspective, I understand the desire to mitigate the risk of drop-outs by setting an example, but IMO you could ban the individual players to accomplish that goal.
At the end of the day RCG is a great initiative and you can do whatever you want, but it seems a shame to punish both North American players who have nothing to do with Ty2/Models/Dragon as well as South American players.
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On June 04 2021 22:30 hazelynut wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2021 07:43 M3t4PhYzX wrote:On June 03 2021 21:58 Rus_Brain wrote:On June 03 2021 19:04 Artosis wrote: why is north america and south america combined? can't fathom this. Last year NA champions abastained to participate in grand finals. Ty2 signed off, Models signed off (resulted in necessity to host "last chance quali"), Dragon was about to sign off, if we did not convert RCG to online format. Naturally my esport.fund committee and I assumed that North America is not interested in the tournament, but unifying Americas is a better option than leaving NA without a slot at all. Well.. okay.. that actually makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the clarification, boss I'm not really sure it does make sense; it's holding a region responsible for the actions of individuals. From a tournament organizer perspective, I understand the desire to mitigate the risk of drop-outs by setting an example, but IMO you could ban the individual players to accomplish that goal. At the end of the day RCG is a great initiative and you can do whatever you want, but it seems a shame to punish both North American players who have nothing to do with Ty2/Models/Dragon as well as South American players.
i agree with this gentleman
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On June 04 2021 22:30 hazelynut wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2021 07:43 M3t4PhYzX wrote:On June 03 2021 21:58 Rus_Brain wrote:On June 03 2021 19:04 Artosis wrote: why is north america and south america combined? can't fathom this. Last year NA champions abastained to participate in grand finals. Ty2 signed off, Models signed off (resulted in necessity to host "last chance quali"), Dragon was about to sign off, if we did not convert RCG to online format. Naturally my esport.fund committee and I assumed that North America is not interested in the tournament, but unifying Americas is a better option than leaving NA without a slot at all. Well.. okay.. that actually makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the clarification, boss I'm not really sure it does make sense; it's holding a region responsible for the actions of individuals. From a tournament organizer perspective, I understand the desire to mitigate the risk of drop-outs by setting an example, but IMO you could ban the individual players to accomplish that goal. At the end of the day RCG is a great initiative and you can do whatever you want, but it seems a shame to punish both North American players who have nothing to do with Ty2/Models/Dragon as well as South American players. Yeah it was already said during the first edition of RCG that whole region can be banned if someone qualifies but then declines the participation.
Sooo.. I think it's fair. You were not banned but the number of spots got a bit reduced.
SA already has 3 participants in the main tournament, btw.
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On June 04 2021 06:29 Artosis wrote: 3 spots for BSL 11 top 3 3 spots for BSL 12 top 3 - its great to have integration for BSL in RCG. All these players certainly deserve to be there. that being said, BSL is heavily European favored already.
Considering that 3 spots are taken by European players and 3 by South American players, I would argue it's only rigged against NA. But maybe, just maybe, this comes down to the talent pool and not some unfair heavy favouring.
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