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[PvP] Best build against 2Gate Forge expand

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Apeiron
Profile Joined June 2022
2 Posts
July 12 2022 22:16 GMT
#1
Hi people.
I'm a C- rank player and recently I've been playing against this build in PvP:

- 2 gate (3 zealot pressure, then keep pumping zealots)
- forge
- nexus@nat
- cannon@nat
- DT and the speedlots

I usually go1 gate cybernetics.
1. I feel like if I go reaver expand, their nexus will be so fast that they will afford a large dragoon count.
2. If I go 3 gate goon all in, the DTs kill me.
4. Sometimes I gas steal, which delays their tech, and then push with my first reaver. It works sometimes, but I'm not sure this is the best reaction.

What's your advice? Have in mind that I have only ~ 180 apm.

Thanks!
Bonyth
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland605 Posts
July 13 2022 10:04 GMT
#2
180 apm is more than enough for Protoss

My preference is proxy robo with proxy gateway into fast reaver into obs follow-up.

The cross roads are the number of zealots opponent is building, if there are many, he could kill your robotics with zealots if he scouts it, so make sure u have the means to actually protect the proxy.
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1602 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-13 17:41:09
July 13 2022 17:38 GMT
#3
IF you are going to proxy robo like Bonyth said, make sure you harass with goons, especially once range is done.
If you stop the first 3 zealots without losing much and are on 2 gate goon, you can force a good amount of cannons.
You want to force as many cannons as possible to delay opponents eco, army and tech.
Apeiron
Profile Joined June 2022
2 Posts
July 14 2022 01:19 GMT
#4
Thank you, Bonyth and EnfingLife. I'll give it a try.

I hate that build because I feel like it forces you to adjust your build and that's something I'm not confortable with yet. And A LOT of people are doing that in D/C. I already do proxy reaver sometimes against 14 CC, so maybe I can pull it off.

Thanks again
ajmbek
Profile Joined November 2008
Italy460 Posts
July 14 2022 14:08 GMT
#5
Hi Aperiron,

first of all let me say you that either you reported a wrong BO (from your opponents, or they are doing it wrong). I mean: nexus before forge.

Apart from that, i want to say it is a good BO, especially at that level. Scauting after first pilon might help in detecting it and allow to start adapting faster.

Generally what you had to keep in mind is that you will have faster goon range, and robo tech, and you can push that to try to end the game. The proxy robo reaver is a good oprion, as Bonyth said, but attention to not end up with a killed robo.

I find really hard to expand and try to stay ok economicly vs this BO. But busting is ok.

Also, you can go for dt drop. As in 99% of cases at C level all the cannons will be in front.
Sic iter ad astra
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2356 Posts
July 15 2022 14:01 GMT
#6
21 gate 6 goon > nexus
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