• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 06:55
CET 12:55
KST 20:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)8Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns6[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 103SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1822Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises3
StarCraft 2
General
Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach
Tourneys
$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) WardiTV Winter Cup WardiTV Mondays SC2 AI Tournament 2026 OSC Season 13 World Championship
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution
Brood War
General
Potential ASL qualifier breakthroughs? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ I would like to say something about StarCraft BW General Discussion StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 SLON Grand Finals – Season 2
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Mechabellum Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced
Blogs
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Psychological Factors That D…
TrAiDoS
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2130 users

Inconsistent wall(?!)

Forum Index > Brood War Strategy
Post a Reply
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-19 10:14:11
May 19 2020 10:00 GMT
#1
Just found something very weird. https://imgur.com/a/7ggd2ZI

http://www.filedropper.com/weirdwall (replay link, always use ublock!)

The ling on the bottom start location can go inside the base but not outside. Tried with CC also but that was solid wall.

I was researching how walls could be built on this map when i found this. I thought it was ling tight first, but when trying from outside to in it was not :'D

As most of you may know, this page: (Wiki)List of Unit and Building Sizes is used to check whether buildings to buildings are solid wall, however there is no such info vs doodads/terrain.

Fun fact from this is that you have to check your walls on new maps from both directions :D
-.-
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2041 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-19 10:24:40
May 19 2020 10:24 GMT
#2
I never came across that, will check later today.

Which map is it?
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
May 19 2020 10:48 GMT
#3
(2)Road War.scm
-.-
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2041 Posts
May 19 2020 21:42 GMT
#4
Wow, this is nostalgic. This is the 1st map I played with my brother on LAN back in 1998, lol.

As for the map i struggle testing as only 2 players slots so I cannot make a ling / marine without editor. :D
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-20 08:15:25
May 20 2020 08:14 GMT
#5
@KogeT, here is the editor: http://files.theabyss.ru/sc/starcraft.zip

And here is my map: http://www.filedropper.com/roadwartest
-.-
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-20 16:51:20
May 20 2020 16:34 GMT
#6
Some one found the same kind of bug on La Mancha a while ago:

(the bugfixed version I made for BWCL fixes this)

I investigated it and came to the conclusion that it is an issue with BroodWar's short range pathfinding and how it evaluates obstacles. The gap is wide enough for the Ling to path, but short range pathfinding does not necessarily always recognize the right moves to get the Ling to the gap. You can still get Zerglings through, without too much of a hassle. All you need to do is click a short distance in front of the gap at the side you the Ling's coming from, so it gets into a position where it can easily reach the gap, then click a short distance past the obstacle, and the Zergling will quite handily pass through.

Pictures from the Editor (with unwalkable terrain and collision boxes visible):

+ Show Spoiler [La Mancha] +
[image loading]


+ Show Spoiler [Road War] +
[image loading]

As you can easily see here, your wall would be tight if you moved your Barracks one tile to the left.
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-20 16:54:52
May 20 2020 16:51 GMT
#7
I tried passing the ling with short moves but wasnt able to.

And ya i also believe its the pathing thats the error here. Anyhow a funny bug but not so useful

@Freakling which editor is that?
-.-
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
May 20 2020 16:55 GMT
#8
The editor of course + Show Spoiler +
(SCMDraft)
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
May 20 2020 16:59 GMT
#9
Thx. I will have to try that out. Im curious about this on some other maps where a rax block entrances.
-.-
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RongYI Cup
11:00
Qualifier 1
WardiTV696
Rex98
3DClanTV 55
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Rex 98
DivinesiaTV 27
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 35676
Horang2 3500
Shuttle 1395
Zeus 793
Stork 607
Hyuk 524
Mini 400
Larva 397
firebathero 391
Rush 367
[ Show more ]
BeSt 357
EffOrt 270
Last 260
ZerO 224
Soma 194
Leta 188
Light 177
ggaemo 158
Hyun 117
Pusan 99
hero 96
Sharp 90
Barracks 55
Mind 54
Aegong 50
Killer 49
Free 43
ToSsGirL 39
yabsab 33
Sacsri 29
Nal_rA 23
sorry 22
Movie 21
Terrorterran 19
Noble 12
Bale 10
HiyA 6
Dota 2
XcaliburYe574
NeuroSwarm258
Fuzer 175
ODPixel161
Counter-Strike
x6flipin563
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King97
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor201
Other Games
singsing2545
B2W.Neo1993
Sick173
ZerO(Twitch)12
Railgan0
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV33
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH272
• LUISG 8
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 33
• ZZZeroYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2129
League of Legends
• Nemesis3559
• Jankos3365
• Lourlo1068
• Stunt850
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Invitational
2h 5m
ByuN vs Percival
Percival vs Rogue
Percival vs Classic
ByuN vs Classic
ByuN vs Rogue
Classic vs Rogue
IPSL
8h 5m
DragOn vs Sziky
Replay Cast
21h 5m
Wardi Open
1d
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 5h
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
All Star Teams
5 days
INnoVation vs soO
sOs vs Scarlett
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
[ Show More ]
All Star Teams
6 days
MMA vs DongRaeGu
Rogue vs Oliveira
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-10
Big Gabe Cup #3
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1: W4
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Rongyi Cup S3
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Nations Cup 2026
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.