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i just lost a 20 minute game to a 4pool. at one point i should have died so hard but he overestimated me, i tried to make a comeback but he kept killing my scvs
please watch rep before any comments http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=30495
so far i'm thinking: #1 i should never build rax later than 10, no real need #2 shouldn't have stopped making marines #3 repair my tanks better #4 i wish 6's gas was upward instead of to the left, then a bunker could cover forward raxs and gas
anyways, one of the funnier games i've played in a while highlights: 13 minutes in, i have like 6 scvs and a tank, at 9/10 supply, building a depot. no refinery, no rax, no factory. there's a hatchery near my base... just killed 3 sunkens and a buttload of lings. also have 2 bunkers, 2 marines, and a machine shop addon laying around just in case.
since i needed to tech anyways, i was going to go golies + turret, fearing muta (since all i was was no gas lings all game, ppl muta if you tech, which i did, AND tech pwns 4poolers). turned out to be bad choice i think. i already had tanks so i thought turret golie tank would be okay against either muta or lurk. i kept scouting but zerg didnt take his nat.
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you're making things more complicated than they are. The best way to put away a 4 pool or some outlandish non-sense of that sort is to 8 or 9 rax (BEFORE the depot) and just using one rax instead of two to get the early marines out thereby springing for the early academy. By doing this you can counter very early with medics and firebats.
If you're caught with your pants down you can cancel that 2nd rax and easily afford an early bunker (which is ideal in between your mining scvs). Hold your ground until the first firebat/medic or two come out and the game's over. Also make sure your buildings hug that nearby reigon where your bunker is. You can unload marines, attack, and quickly reload to chase off harassing zerglings.
There's absolutely no reason to drag a 4 pool game out for 20 minutes.
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Yea dude, u lost not cause of strategy, but cause of micro:
you had roughly 12 scvs and 2 marines against 6 or 8 lings. Take 6 scvs and 2 rines to chase arround the lings while 6 scv mine.... and you should have built bunker closer to ur barracks.
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hmm ya i watched the replay too, your micro was pretty horrible T_T.... and i dont know why you bothered to get tanks
but ya, u just plainly microed bad, that's all
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first of all, recommending that i 8 or 9 rax every game is ludicrous.
second, he had more lings than that, chasing them around with 2 rines and 6 scv is suicidal
third, if you don't know why i got tanks, you didn't watch the rep.
and if you don't know why the game went on for 20 minutes, again, you didn't watch the game.....
my bunker was too late to save the barracks, if you watched. ...
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MaTRiX[SiN]
Sweden1282 Posts
instead of building a bunker so early you could've made some more rines and micro'd ur scv/rines vs his lings, slow lings get really weak once the rine numbers add up (like 4+) or as someone else said cancelled one of ur barracks and made a bunker... but you stopped buildings marines after 2 (!).
you lost several scvs scouting, for what? he's going masslings there's nothing to scout (except that hatchery he built in your main wich you failed to scout..). when you're down to that low econ you really dont want to throw away your scvs.
I dont understand why you choose to float away ur rax and go for pure mech, m&m/tank is a way better combo than gol/tank vs both muta and lurk...
you lost the game early on with poor scv micro and when not scouting his proxy hatch, not that much else to it.
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i hardly think i lost the game early on. bad micro? i had 2 rines, no bunker, and held off 10+ lings, losing like, 2 scv? i had 3x as many workers as him at that point. where's the "loss" there?
i was scouting to see if he teched or expo. if he was going 1 base lurker or taking 2 expo i needed to know, i think.
i should have got more marines and took my choke though i think. and ur right, not scouting a proxy hatch is pretty harsh. but after his sunkens went down i still think i should have been ahead at that point, i think i just needed more marines and not lose my tanks
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9931 Posts
"i hardly think i lost the game early on. bad micro? i had 2 rines, no bunker, and held off 10+ lings, losing like, 2 scv? i had 3x as many workers as him at that point. where's the "loss" there?"
first of all, when you micro, consider not only how much you kill with how many losses, but also how fast you do it and how efficiently. you pulled off more scvs than you needed and even when you did many of them did not attack all at once, rather getting themselves killed a few at a time. the end result of that is loss of miners and mining time for no gain. at one point your marines were shooting at your own scvs =\.
however, i think as the others do that you could have still survived had you opted for mm instead of floating away your barracks uselessly. so basically, for future games: consider building placement more carefully (your first bunker was useless in covering the ends of your mineral lines should he attack it; instead, for a safer location, maybe put it inside your mineral line), judge better how many scvs you need to defend against a threat, and think out what units you go better (mm was far more cost effective than tanks in your situation and early game too).
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MaTRiX[SiN]
Sweden1282 Posts
you expect him to tech with 3 drones? ... as long as he's making lings he wont be doing anything else after a 4 pool.
your poor early game micro made you lose 1 supply depot and both (!) your barracks and you lost plenty of scvs just not right away, you had about 10 scvs most of the game. you weren't ahead after you killed his sunkens because you had no units and no econ, he built up to 15~ drones without you having any time where you could have attacked him.
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it had been a long time, no reason for me to think he still had only 3 drones. it had been a long time since his lings were doing any damage, and he had proxied i think 3 or 4 sunkens at me, making me think, again, he didnt have 3 drones
my marines were firing at the lings that were killing the depot and barracks. their placement was not ideal for being rushed. maybe by micro you mean i could have repaired them better, which would be true. i think most people build barracks like that or worse though.
i think it's pretty common to go for gas when you get linged, because you want to get an aca and go for the kill. so a bunker to help keep the gas seems reasonable, with marines in the mineral line to defend the raxs.
so losing the raxs was pretty brutal, maybe the worst micro error was not repairing them well enough.
i don't think it's a big deal to stop mining with too many scvs in this situation that you know he has no economy next to you (talking about early on), cuz u cant really afford to lose a single rine at that point.
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MaTRiX[SiN]
Sweden1282 Posts
you could've lifted off your barracks instead of letting his lings kill them.. and you sent out scvs like 3 or 4 times while he had been mass-ling attacking/sunking ur base..it's just not possible for him to tech/expand/power drones at the same time as he's attacking you so heavily because he doesnt have enough econ doing an early pool build.
if you're going to bunker you should bunker in the middle of your mineral line and then if he attacks something out of range you take your marines out of the bunker to fire at them and then if he tries to attack your marines you move them back into the bunker, the bunker is there so that he cant actually kill you with lings not to prevent harrass, if you place your bunker in the middle of your minerals and he tries to attack you can easily surround it with peons preventing his lings from attacking.
stopping mining in early game matters a lot more than most people seem to think, when people say 1 zealot harrass etc in early game moving around your peons all over actually makes a big diff (probably bigger than losing 1 peon actually). you did pull away almost all your scvs to repair your bunker etc in his later attacks wich was very unecessery (especially since only like 3 of the 10 you pulled away actually did anything). early on you simply moved them the wrong way, you had (again) like 10 scvs pulled away from mining but only 3 or so of those did anything. stack-move them and then attack or only take so many that they can actually all attack.
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with 4 pool he wont be getting gas units or buildings any time soon. thus he will only have zerglings without foot speed. thus marines will own them if used correctly. scouting is very important. send out scvs earlier if you dont think you can block 4 pools. usually i have 1 marine out by the time lings arrive. i put it in between my scvs and micro the best i can.
if my scouting scv reaches their base, try to kill drones while he is busy microing lings. if he chases your scv, you will have time to build more defense.
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You played perfectly. 4pool > all.
Or just take some advice when you ask for it, if you believe strongly to know allready then dont post. Loosing to fourpool / hatch in your base is clumsy.. So just dont be clumsy
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9931 Posts
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matrix[sin], thanks for the good help. i agree now i should make bunker in the mineral line. that's a good idea afaict. should i have scouted a little earlier (i already scouted somewhat early) so i have a better chance to see a 4pool coming? i was caught completely off guard and zerg was at the 2nd spot i was scouting.
i know stopping mining matters a lot but it's still 4 drones vs 12 scvs, i mean 4pooling fucks them over way more, whereas i can't lose unless my first rines go down, so that's what i meant.
ahk-gosu, i dont think u watched rep or read this thread. as for knowing he wont get gas any time soon. he didnt get gas any time soon. i got tanks because i was being offensive sunkened. by THEN he could have been getting gas units easily. besides, it isn't always an easy call whether the zerg 4 pooled or 7 pooled, for instance, and when u've lost your barracks timing goes completely out theh window.
patriot.dlk and intrigue, shut the fuck up
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9931 Posts
oh okay i'm sorry for pointing out painfully obvious flaws in your play that you didn't like to hear but justify through sorely inexperienced-sounding reasonings
... if you keep on offering excuses and 'better' solutions to everything then you shouldn't lose to a weak fourpool
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mitsy is such a retard. asking for help and then acting like a bitch and refusing to accept it. being a dumbass in pretty much every thread he posts in. sometimes i really believe that he isnt faking his personality and really is like he acts.
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On January 24 2006 11:31 pfff wrote: mitsy is such a retard. asking for help and then acting like a bitch and refusing to accept it. being a dumbass in pretty much every thread he posts in. sometimes i really believe that he isnt faking his personality and really is like he acts.
Finally something we can agree on.
I watched the rep, but everyone already mentioned your most obvious mistakes.
I think you should really just play more. Your micro is very lacking. Try to keep your scv's together in a group always attacking and moving not sitting and waiting to be attacked. Dance those marines better. Also, strategy wise, even once you saw what he was doing you didn't adapt well at all.
I know you won't like to hear it, but play more games and you'll get better at controling your units while macroing and thinking about what to do next.
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most of you are retards. i listened to the good advice. those of you who said stupid things, pretended to know what you were talking about (didnt see rep, didnt read thread) but didnt are the retards. those of u saying stupid shit like patriot and yes, intrigue, saying "yeah hes an idiot", shut the fuck up. -_- who comes to tlnet only to be a dumb dick and stalk me, shut the fuck up. pffff who comes to this thread just to flame me shut the fuck up.
this thread is for: the rep the strategies and mistakes in the rep
NOT for: dumb fags talking about 4pool like they know what happened giving bad advice (speaksinriddles, alphaentity, pockypocky, intrigue, ahk-gosu) dumb fags who have to flame me in every thread not even pretending to know what's going on (patriot, -_-, pfff, patriot's fag boyfriend intrigue)
so hard to understand?
WOW out of a random sampling of 8 TLnetters, ONE motherfucker stayed on topic and was helpful that's 12.5%. sounds about right.
i gave reasons for disagreeing with the advice that i did. no one gave reasons for bitching and moaning about me disagreeing with some of the advice which, imo didnt reflect a watching of the rep and therefore was off topic.
if u dont want to watch the rep, or respond to REASONS that are in this thread, DONT POST. find some other topic to take a dump in. god knows theres plenty of outhouses about. so go poop in those.
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youre such a sad retard in the first ten posts of this thread, yours not including, advice was given. you just kept up with acting like a dumbass so people stopped giving advice and started to notice how you were acting like an ungrateful bitch. honestly, there might be a reason that people go out of their way just to flame you? i really hope the way you act is just some little thing you do to amuse yourself, cuz otherwise youre a really sad stupid person.
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9931 Posts
apparently your feelings are too easily hurt perhaps i shouldn't have watched the replay and just said 'wow you're so good' instead of ololloling at your marines almost killing your own scvs
read what i said originally and tell me how it is different from the posts following mine if you post a replay here and ask for critique be a little humbler when everyone says the same damn thing
oh and don't flatter yourself i don't even bother reading most of your threads anymore to "stalk" you. hahaha jesus
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I think vs 4 pool is rather easy. Just do the best with like 4-5 scv's and what ever marines you have. Focus on macro at the same time. Keep your barracks pumping so then you eventually have 4-5 marines. Then you just move out to your ramp (bring 2-3 scv's if you need to), and hold that position until your academy comes on line. Now your at two rax m&m with like 10 marines, either attack or FE and make sure he has no way to come back. Sad to lose all buildings and then get offensive hatched.
I know you will retort "watch replay" but you do everything mistakenly I believe from seeing this replay. So it's hard to commit on do this or that aside from what has been said, so I offer what I do when i become 4 pooled.
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Calgary25938 Posts
What is the purpose of this post? You can't micro and your defense was weak. Many people have posted that and refuse to listen to their advice.
So, what do you want Mitsy? I'll tell you what you want - you want nothing.
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mitsy
for the most part you played fine vs the 4pool. However, i don't think the root of your problem lies largely in "how to stop a 4pool," but rather how do deal w/ "crisis management."
In my opinion, having strong crisis management is the hallmark of an expert player. Most people just tend to crumble immediately and stop using their brain. Either way, lets discuss a few things
First of all, in crisis type situations the largest mistake is either to overreact or to underreact. In this game, your largest problem was the overreaction at the start, you stopped ALL your SCVs from mining to protect the marine. Obviously, not stopping any would have resulted in an immediate GG. However, he is at a mineral disadvantage (having only 4-5 drones at his base probably, and i say probably since you didn't have vision of him) thus you need to keep your mineral advantage while continuing to make marines.
I think an immediate bunker is not necessarily a bad idea at all. Although it seems wasteful, all you actually need to do at the early point in the game is stay alive. Thus i think an immediate bunker (directly between your geyser and CC) would have been an excellent decision.
Also important to note, SCVs are pretty strong. Don't underestimate them : ].
Also, i would opt for a very fast academy over a factory, but i assume you made the factory cuz of the off-hatch
either way, fun game to watch
morale: don't overreact in extremely intense situations
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continue to do the build that you do. One of the LARGEST mistakes in BW is not being stubborn enough. People tend to think "well shit, i lost to an early rush, so i need to make marines earlier" or in ZvT for example "well i shuld 10 hatch 9 pool every ZvT to avoid being bunker rushed."
In both of these situations, losing to 4pool or bunker rush, control is the major issue that causes the loss/win in these situations. So, in the future, try to stick with exactly what you are doing, but just playing a little less sloppily. As a result, you will REALLY start to understand the strengths and weaknesses of certain builds, as opposed to blindly assuming A > B > C > A etc
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On January 24 2006 12:00 mitsy wrote: most of you are retards. i listened to the good advice. those of you who said stupid things, pretended to know what you were talking about (didnt see rep, didnt read thread) but didnt are the retards. those of u saying stupid shit like patriot and yes, intrigue, saying "yeah hes an idiot", shut the fuck up. -_- who comes to tlnet only to be a dumb dick and stalk me, shut the fuck up. pffff who comes to this thread just to flame me shut the fuck up.
this thread is for: the rep the strategies and mistakes in the rep
NOT for: dumb fags talking about 4pool like they know what happened giving bad advice (speaksinriddles, alphaentity, pockypocky, intrigue, ahk-gosu) dumb fags who have to flame me in every thread not even pretending to know what's going on (patriot, -_-, pfff, patriot's fag boyfriend intrigue)
so hard to understand?
WOW out of a random sampling of 8 TLnetters, ONE motherfucker stayed on topic and was helpful that's 12.5%. sounds about right.
i gave reasons for disagreeing with the advice that i did. no one gave reasons for bitching and moaning about me disagreeing with some of the advice which, imo didnt reflect a watching of the rep and therefore was off topic.
if u dont want to watch the rep, or respond to REASONS that are in this thread, DONT POST. find some other topic to take a dump in. god knows theres plenty of outhouses about. so go poop in those.
I watched the rep, read the thread, and am trying to talk about strategy in as neutral terms as possible.
I think T had should have won that game. I think in some other threads you mentioned you four pool 200 apm players occasionaly so I wouldn't thought you would have read it better.
T messed up early with his barracks. I'm not sure if he canceled his barracks, but if he didn't, he should've. Also, T didn't lift his surviving barracks fast enough (when no more marines had time to come before it would explode).
More importantly, T's early game marine and scv micro was bad. I'm not sure how many lings he killed, but it wasn't many. And while that's not in itself that bad, he lost 5+ scv's in the process.
Later in the game T floats his barracks, which was a very bad idea. He should've pumped marines until he filled his barracks.
Also, the armory was a bad idea for T. He couldn't have built enough goliath to stop two hatch muta anyway.
You need to cool down. People aren't obsessed with you. You can certainly get a rise out of me with the best of them, but I'm not harboring any grudge. And my post in this thread showed that. The only thing which could've been interpreted as offensive was me agreeing with pfff for saying you weren't taking advice and just attacking everyone who tried to give it. Which is just true. At least in my opinion. But it's nothing to get hung up about. Unless you found me saying what T did wrong offensive... which just doesn't make sense.
So micro was your biggest mistake (maybe because you didn't know what to do, like day said?) and I don't see any way to improve your unit control besides playing more games.
I think you're trying WAY too hard to feel persecuted.
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United States10774 Posts
Misty, what do you want out of this thread? Honestly, your problems have already been stated.
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On January 24 2006 19:48 OneOther wrote: Misty, what do you want out of this thread? Honestly, your problems have already been stated.
You claim to be a genius, while you're only a mediocre Brood War player with a fantastic ego. Then, you receive advice and reject it and don't feel your control is lacking in the slightest. You then reply saying "I trusted you guys for real advice, but I just got flamed omg!"
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thats the difference to gosus : They are able to micro like god and still build rines/scvs. bad players TRY to micro but fail AND miss to build more units..
4 pool is really hard sometimes, though.. But i like nothing more than a 9 pool as terra. Its so easy to defend and fast m&m's are so easy win..
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i agree w day, and someone tried to mention this before. i didn't have to stop mining completely, or for as long as i did.
also that an immediate bunker in my minerals would have been good. and yeah the fact was because 3 sunkens were hitting my CC.
as for altering my build order, i think the barracks could be done on 10 instead of 11 or 11 with 50 minerals sitting around, which is what it looks like in the rep. 9 depot, 10 rax, why make it later? no scouting earlier, just have to deal with a 4pool. and not lose the rax, no reason to.
the rest of you really are some opportunistic pricks. i responded fairly to some advice i disagreed with, and u guys talk about nothing but myself instead of my disagreements. instead of saying "no, your micro was bad because X Y Z" u guys say "u micro bad! u newb! u think u so smart!" grow up, idiots. you think that's a worthy contribution to the discussion?
let's recall the bullshit:
On January 23 2006 23:49 SpeaKinRiddleS wrote: you're making things more complicated than they are. The best way to put away a 4 pool or some outlandish non-sense of that sort is to 8 or 9 rax (BEFORE the depot) and just using one rax instead of two to get the early marines out thereby springing for the early academy. By doing this you can counter very early with medics and firebats.
If you're caught with your pants down you can cancel that 2nd rax and easily afford an early bunker (which is ideal in between your mining scvs). Hold your ground until the first firebat/medic or two come out and the game's over. Also make sure your buildings hug that nearby reigon where your bunker is. You can unload marines, attack, and quickly reload to chase off harassing zerglings.
There's absolutely no reason to drag a 4 pool game out for 20 minutes. (i disagreed with this and gave reasons)
On January 24 2006 00:05 alphaentity wrote: Yea dude, u lost not cause of strategy, but cause of micro:
you had roughly 12 scvs and 2 marines against 6 or 8 lings. Take 6 scvs and 2 rines to chase arround the lings while 6 scv mine.... and you should have built bunker closer to ur barracks. (disagreed with this and gave reasons)
On January 24 2006 02:39 PockyPocky wrote: hmm ya i watched the replay too, your micro was pretty horrible T_T.... and i dont know why you bothered to get tanks
but ya, u just plainly microed bad, that's all (disagreed with this and gave reasons)
then MaTRiX[SiN] said good helpful things, i listened, talked with him. intrigue responded somewhat thoughtfully to my disagreement. that was good.
On January 24 2006 09:21 ahk-gosu wrote: with 4 pool he wont be getting gas units or buildings any time soon. thus he will only have zerglings without foot speed. thus marines will own them if used correctly. scouting is very important. send out scvs earlier if you dont think you can block 4 pools. usually i have 1 marine out by the time lings arrive. i put it in between my scvs and micro the best i can.
if my scouting scv reaches their base, try to kill drones while he is busy microing lings. if he chases your scv, you will have time to build more defense. (i disagreed with this with good reasons)
that's all that happened. problem? no. then comes this avalanche of bullshit dumb motherfuckers:
On January 24 2006 09:48 Patriot.dlk wrote: You played perfectly. 4pool > all.
Or just take some advice when you ask for it, if you believe strongly to know allready then dont post. Loosing to fourpool / hatch in your base is clumsy.. So just dont be clumsy
On January 24 2006 10:23 intrigue wrote: agreed patriot fuck these guys
On January 24 2006 11:19 intrigue wrote: oh okay i'm sorry for pointing out painfully obvious flaws in your play that you didn't like to hear but justify through sorely inexperienced-sounding reasonings
... if you keep on offering excuses and 'better' solutions to everything then you shouldn't lose to a weak fourpool saying "ur clumbsy" or "u could micro betta" is not really substanitive at all, nor is "i agree" (w patriot's mocking, sarcastic, missing the point post) so blow it out your ass. the ppl i said didnt watch the rep earlier in the thread clearly didnt. u interpret me pointing this out as me rejecting all advice when i clearly didnt. you assholes ruined this thread:
On January 24 2006 11:31 pfff wrote: mitsy is such a retard. asking for help and then acting like a bitch and refusing to accept it. being a dumbass in pretty much every thread he posts in. sometimes i really believe that he isnt faking his personality and really is like he acts.
On January 24 2006 11:37 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2006 11:31 pfff wrote: mitsy is such a retard. asking for help and then acting like a bitch and refusing to accept it. being a dumbass in pretty much every thread he posts in. sometimes i really believe that he isnt faking his personality and really is like he acts. Finally something we can agree on. I watched the rep, but everyone already mentioned your most obvious mistakes. I think you should really just play more. Your micro is very lacking. Try to keep your scv's together in a group always attacking and moving not sitting and waiting to be attacked. Dance those marines better. Also, strategy wise, even once you saw what he was doing you didn't adapt well at all. I know you won't like to hear it, but play more games and you'll get better at controling your units while macroing and thinking about what to do next.
On January 24 2006 13:11 pfff wrote: youre such a sad retard in the first ten posts of this thread, yours not including, advice was given. you just kept up with acting like a dumbass so people stopped giving advice and started to notice how you were acting like an ungrateful bitch. honestly, there might be a reason that people go out of their way just to flame you? i really hope the way you act is just some little thing you do to amuse yourself, cuz otherwise youre a really sad stupid person.
biggest asshole here so far is pfffff
On January 24 2006 13:12 intrigue wrote: apparently your feelings are too easily hurt perhaps i shouldn't have watched the replay and just said 'wow you're so good' instead of ololloling at your marines almost killing your own scvs
read what i said originally and tell me how it is different from the posts following mine if you post a replay here and ask for critique be a little humbler when everyone says the same damn thing
oh and don't flatter yourself i don't even bother reading most of your threads anymore to "stalk" you. hahaha jesus
On January 24 2006 13:56 Chill wrote: What is the purpose of this post? You can't micro and your defense was weak. Many people have posted that and refuse to listen to their advice.
So, what do you want Mitsy? I'll tell you what you want - you want nothing. fucker that's so substanitive
On January 24 2006 19:30 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2006 12:00 mitsy wrote: most of you are retards. i listened to the good advice. those of you who said stupid things, pretended to know what you were talking about (didnt see rep, didnt read thread) but didnt are the retards. those of u saying stupid shit like patriot and yes, intrigue, saying "yeah hes an idiot", shut the fuck up. -_- who comes to tlnet only to be a dumb dick and stalk me, shut the fuck up. pffff who comes to this thread just to flame me shut the fuck up.
this thread is for: the rep the strategies and mistakes in the rep
NOT for: dumb fags talking about 4pool like they know what happened giving bad advice (speaksinriddles, alphaentity, pockypocky, intrigue, ahk-gosu) dumb fags who have to flame me in every thread not even pretending to know what's going on (patriot, -_-, pfff, patriot's fag boyfriend intrigue)
so hard to understand?
WOW out of a random sampling of 8 TLnetters, ONE motherfucker stayed on topic and was helpful that's 12.5%. sounds about right.
i gave reasons for disagreeing with the advice that i did. no one gave reasons for bitching and moaning about me disagreeing with some of the advice which, imo didnt reflect a watching of the rep and therefore was off topic.
if u dont want to watch the rep, or respond to REASONS that are in this thread, DONT POST. find some other topic to take a dump in. god knows theres plenty of outhouses about. so go poop in those. I watched the rep, read the thread, and am trying to talk about strategy in as neutral terms as possible. I think T had should have won that game. I think in some other threads you mentioned you four pool 200 apm players occasionaly so I wouldn't thought you would have read it better. T messed up early with his barracks. I'm not sure if he canceled his barracks, but if he didn't, he should've. Also, T didn't lift his surviving barracks fast enough (when no more marines had time to come before it would explode). More importantly, T's early game marine and scv micro was bad. I'm not sure how many lings he killed, but it wasn't many. And while that's not in itself that bad, he lost 5+ scv's in the process. Later in the game T floats his barracks, which was a very bad idea. He should've pumped marines until he filled his barracks. Also, the armory was a bad idea for T. He couldn't have built enough goliath to stop two hatch muta anyway. You need to cool down. People aren't obsessed with you. You can certainly get a rise out of me with the best of them, but I'm not harboring any grudge. And my post in this thread showed that. The only thing which could've been interpreted as offensive was me agreeing with pfff for saying you weren't taking advice and just attacking everyone who tried to give it. Which is just true. At least in my opinion. But it's nothing to get hung up about. Unless you found me saying what T did wrong offensive... which just doesn't make sense. So micro was your biggest mistake (maybe because you didn't know what to do, like day said?) and I don't see any way to improve your unit control besides playing more games. I think you're trying WAY too hard to feel persecuted. "your micro was bad" gee thanks for the revelation, ill put that one to good use, not like something that ingenius hasn't been posted here before. and u only took 500 wds to say it, as usual
On January 24 2006 19:48 OneOther wrote: Misty, what do you want out of this thread? Honestly, your problems have already been stated.
On January 24 2006 20:34 exalted wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2006 19:48 OneOther wrote: Misty, what do you want out of this thread? Honestly, your problems have already been stated. You claim to be a genius, while you're only a mediocre Brood War player with a fantastic ego. Then, you receive advice and reject it and don't feel your control is lacking in the slightest. You then reply saying "I trusted you guys for real advice, but I just got flamed omg!" i didnt reject substanitive advice in this thread at all. i pointed out ppl saying things that clearly did not even apply to the game in question. fuck all that.
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On January 25 2006 04:38 mitsy wrote:i agree w day, and someone tried to mention this before. i didn't have to stop mining completely, or for as long as i did. also that an immediate bunker in my minerals would have been good. and yeah the fact was because 3 sunkens were hitting my CC. as for altering my build order, i think the barracks could be done on 10 instead of 11 or 11 with 50 minerals sitting around, which is what it looks like in the rep. 9 depot, 10 rax, why make it later? no scouting earlier, just have to deal with a 4pool. and not lose the rax, no reason to. the rest of you really are some opportunistic pricks. i responded fairly to some advice i disagreed with, and u guys talk about nothing but myself instead of my disagreements. instead of saying "no, your micro was bad because X Y Z" u guys say "u micro bad! u newb! u think u so smart!" grow up, idiots. you think that's a worthy contribution to the discussion? let's recall the bullshit: Show nested quote +On January 23 2006 23:49 SpeaKinRiddleS wrote: you're making things more complicated than they are. The best way to put away a 4 pool or some outlandish non-sense of that sort is to 8 or 9 rax (BEFORE the depot) and just using one rax instead of two to get the early marines out thereby springing for the early academy. By doing this you can counter very early with medics and firebats.
If you're caught with your pants down you can cancel that 2nd rax and easily afford an early bunker (which is ideal in between your mining scvs). Hold your ground until the first firebat/medic or two come out and the game's over. Also make sure your buildings hug that nearby reigon where your bunker is. You can unload marines, attack, and quickly reload to chase off harassing zerglings.
There's absolutely no reason to drag a 4 pool game out for 20 minutes. (i disagreed with this and gave reasons) Show nested quote +On January 24 2006 00:05 alphaentity wrote: Yea dude, u lost not cause of strategy, but cause of micro:
you had roughly 12 scvs and 2 marines against 6 or 8 lings. Take 6 scvs and 2 rines to chase arround the lings while 6 scv mine.... and you should have built bunker closer to ur barracks. (disagreed with this and gave reasons) Show nested quote +On January 24 2006 02:39 PockyPocky wrote: hmm ya i watched the replay too, your micro was pretty horrible T_T.... and i dont know why you bothered to get tanks
but ya, u just plainly microed bad, that's all (disagreed with this and gave reasons) then MaTRiX[SiN] said good helpful things, i listened, talked with him. intrigue responded somewhat thoughtfully to my disagreement. that was good. Show nested quote +On January 24 2006 09:21 ahk-gosu wrote: with 4 pool he wont be getting gas units or buildings any time soon. thus he will only have zerglings without foot speed. thus marines will own them if used correctly. scouting is very important. send out scvs earlier if you dont think you can block 4 pools. usually i have 1 marine out by the time lings arrive. i put it in between my scvs and micro the best i can.
if my scouting scv reaches their base, try to kill drones while he is busy microing lings. if he chases your scv, you will have time to build more defense. (i disagreed with this with good reasons) that's all that happened. problem? no. then comes this avalanche of bullshit dumb motherfuckers: Show nested quote +On January 24 2006 09:48 Patriot.dlk wrote: You played perfectly. 4pool > all.
Or just take some advice when you ask for it, if you believe strongly to know allready then dont post. Loosing to fourpool / hatch in your base is clumsy.. So just dont be clumsy fuck these guys Show nested quote +On January 24 2006 11:19 intrigue wrote: oh okay i'm sorry for pointing out painfully obvious flaws in your play that you didn't like to hear but justify through sorely inexperienced-sounding reasonings
... if you keep on offering excuses and 'better' solutions to everything then you shouldn't lose to a weak fourpool saying "ur clumbsy" or "u could micro betta" is not really substanitive at all, nor is "i agree" (w patriot's mocking, sarcastic, missing the point post) so blow it out your ass. the ppl i said didnt watch the rep earlier in the thread clearly didnt. u interpret me pointing this out as me rejecting all advice when i clearly didnt. you assholes ruined this thread: Show nested quote +On January 24 2006 11:31 pfff wrote: mitsy is such a retard. asking for help and then acting like a bitch and refusing to accept it. being a dumbass in pretty much every thread he posts in. sometimes i really believe that he isnt faking his personality and really is like he acts. Show nested quote +On January 24 2006 11:37 -_- wrote:On January 24 2006 11:31 pfff wrote: mitsy is such a retard. asking for help and then acting like a bitch and refusing to accept it. being a dumbass in pretty much every thread he posts in. sometimes i really believe that he isnt faking his personality and really is like he acts. Finally something we can agree on. I watched the rep, but everyone already mentioned your most obvious mistakes. I think you should really just play more. Your micro is very lacking. Try to keep your scv's together in a group always attacking and moving not sitting and waiting to be attacked. Dance those marines better. Also, strategy wise, even once you saw what he was doing you didn't adapt well at all. I know you won't like to hear it, but play more games and you'll get better at controling your units while macroing and thinking about what to do next. Show nested quote +On January 24 2006 13:11 pfff wrote: youre such a sad retard in the first ten posts of this thread, yours not including, advice was given. you just kept up with acting like a dumbass so people stopped giving advice and started to notice how you were acting like an ungrateful bitch. honestly, there might be a reason that people go out of their way just to flame you? i really hope the way you act is just some little thing you do to amuse yourself, cuz otherwise youre a really sad stupid person.
biggest asshole here so far is pfffff Show nested quote +On January 24 2006 13:12 intrigue wrote: apparently your feelings are too easily hurt perhaps i shouldn't have watched the replay and just said 'wow you're so good' instead of ololloling at your marines almost killing your own scvs
read what i said originally and tell me how it is different from the posts following mine if you post a replay here and ask for critique be a little humbler when everyone says the same damn thing
oh and don't flatter yourself i don't even bother reading most of your threads anymore to "stalk" you. hahaha jesus Show nested quote +On January 24 2006 13:56 Chill wrote: What is the purpose of this post? You can't micro and your defense was weak. Many people have posted that and refuse to listen to their advice.
So, what do you want Mitsy? I'll tell you what you want - you want nothing. fucker that's so substanitive Show nested quote +On January 24 2006 19:30 -_- wrote:On January 24 2006 12:00 mitsy wrote: most of you are retards. i listened to the good advice. those of you who said stupid things, pretended to know what you were talking about (didnt see rep, didnt read thread) but didnt are the retards. those of u saying stupid shit like patriot and yes, intrigue, saying "yeah hes an idiot", shut the fuck up. -_- who comes to tlnet only to be a dumb dick and stalk me, shut the fuck up. pffff who comes to this thread just to flame me shut the fuck up.
this thread is for: the rep the strategies and mistakes in the rep
NOT for: dumb fags talking about 4pool like they know what happened giving bad advice (speaksinriddles, alphaentity, pockypocky, intrigue, ahk-gosu) dumb fags who have to flame me in every thread not even pretending to know what's going on (patriot, -_-, pfff, patriot's fag boyfriend intrigue)
so hard to understand?
WOW out of a random sampling of 8 TLnetters, ONE motherfucker stayed on topic and was helpful that's 12.5%. sounds about right.
i gave reasons for disagreeing with the advice that i did. no one gave reasons for bitching and moaning about me disagreeing with some of the advice which, imo didnt reflect a watching of the rep and therefore was off topic.
if u dont want to watch the rep, or respond to REASONS that are in this thread, DONT POST. find some other topic to take a dump in. god knows theres plenty of outhouses about. so go poop in those. I watched the rep, read the thread, and am trying to talk about strategy in as neutral terms as possible. I think T had should have won that game. I think in some other threads you mentioned you four pool 200 apm players occasionaly so I wouldn't thought you would have read it better. T messed up early with his barracks. I'm not sure if he canceled his barracks, but if he didn't, he should've. Also, T didn't lift his surviving barracks fast enough (when no more marines had time to come before it would explode). More importantly, T's early game marine and scv micro was bad. I'm not sure how many lings he killed, but it wasn't many. And while that's not in itself that bad, he lost 5+ scv's in the process. Later in the game T floats his barracks, which was a very bad idea. He should've pumped marines until he filled his barracks. Also, the armory was a bad idea for T. He couldn't have built enough goliath to stop two hatch muta anyway. You need to cool down. People aren't obsessed with you. You can certainly get a rise out of me with the best of them, but I'm not harboring any grudge. And my post in this thread showed that. The only thing which could've been interpreted as offensive was me agreeing with pfff for saying you weren't taking advice and just attacking everyone who tried to give it. Which is just true. At least in my opinion. But it's nothing to get hung up about. Unless you found me saying what T did wrong offensive... which just doesn't make sense. So micro was your biggest mistake (maybe because you didn't know what to do, like day said?) and I don't see any way to improve your unit control besides playing more games. I think you're trying WAY too hard to feel persecuted. "your micro was bad" gee thanks for the revelation, ill put that one to good use, not like something that ingenius hasn't been posted here before. and u only took 500 wds to say it, as usual Show nested quote +On January 24 2006 19:48 OneOther wrote: Misty, what do you want out of this thread? Honestly, your problems have already been stated. Show nested quote +On January 24 2006 20:34 exalted wrote:On January 24 2006 19:48 OneOther wrote: Misty, what do you want out of this thread? Honestly, your problems have already been stated. You claim to be a genius, while you're only a mediocre Brood War player with a fantastic ego. Then, you receive advice and reject it and don't feel your control is lacking in the slightest. You then reply saying "I trusted you guys for real advice, but I just got flamed omg!" i didnt reject substanitive advice in this thread at all. i pointed out ppl saying things that clearly did not even apply to the game in question. fuck all that.
Huh? I told you you should've lifted your barracks faster. You shouldn't have lifted your barracks (you needed to fill your bunkers or at least not leave one empty). You shouldn't have gone armory because even if he was going muta you couldn't have stopped him, but he couldn't have been if you had read the game better.
But I think main reason you lost is because your early game micro was lacking.
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-_- get out of this thread pls
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On January 25 2006 05:42 mitsy wrote: -_- get out of this thread pls
You've got to learn how to confront problems in your game rather than run away.
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-_- you said nothing in this thread that wasn't already said except a bunch of off topic bullshit. and after i pointed that out, you said it again?
you want a confrontation? you are shit. i hope someone kills you. you don't belong anywhere as far as i'm concerned. i'll confront you any day of the week in any dark alley you fucking nerd.
i'll confront you in any moderated debate.
what the fuck do you mean? you are shit in any confrontation, especially ones involving text and thinking, as you have so repeatedly proven. so GET THE FUCK OUT. get it?
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Did anyone se his first scouting scv waitjng in the middle of the map? He could have done something with that to change the outcome of the game. He could have canceled his second rax in his main and proxy rax near the Zerg base.
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1. Don't let scv stand still while lings are coming at you, attack move. You proly just stopped. scv didn't even fight, they ran.
2. Maybe, maybe not, but you saw lings coming at you with your scout, be ready, maybe bunker
2. Don;t pull off all scv, you were at 98 mineral when you really wanted to build a bunker
3. Don't attack your own scv
4. Don't stop making marines
5. Too many scv doing nothing, what a waste of apm
6. you built bunker away from your barrack, no prob with that, but if you are going to rebuild your barrack, build it near the bunker.
7. don't kill your own tank (sieging it in mineral)
8. gg
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oh please! let's get rid of mitsy once and for all!
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Well people did give him really awful advice, people who shouldn't be giving advice in the Strategy forum at all honestly.
8 or 9 rax before depot? People who think that's a useful counter to 4pool should not be posting anything but questions in the Strategy forum. It sounds vulgar, but that is retarded.
His problem wasn't really his micro, either. It wasn't perfect but it was sufficient enough to beat 4pool.
As soon as you see 6 lings on the map at 4pool speed, you should no longer care about sticking to solid every-game conventions. You don't care about anything but stopping his 4pool, because if you can stop it, you've won the game, no matter how awkwardly positioned your structures are or how many bunkers you spent 100 minerals on.
As long as you can sustain 1 rax macro without having to lift off repeatedly or constantly rebuild depots, you will eventually overtake him and he'll be left in a hopeless position where he can't even touch you and is far behind in development.
Start building a bunker the instant you see those lings, not between CC and minerals but somewhere off to the side, so that it can do three things: provide cover for 1 barracks so you don't have to lift it, provide cover for atleast half of your mineral patches, and provide cover for additional depots you build in case you lose one that was built along the outskirts of your base. If you can get a second barracks under the cover of that bunker, you're in great shape and his attack will be neutralized within like 90 seconds. Once you have superior numbers, unload your bunker(s) and chase his lings around until they're out of your base. From there, winning the game is obviously just a matter of time.
Hatch in your main won't be a problem because you'll be mobilized with superior numbers before he can build one, so don't tech to siege tanks that's ridiculous. Once you have superior numbers you proceed as usual with academy and double, eventually triple rax. There won't be anything Zerg can do to stop that attack short of choking his base with Sunkens, in which case his economy is even worse off than it was before, and teching to tanks before his tech gets anywhere won't be a problem.
The most important thing to remember is that in order for a barracks to be under the cover of a bunker without range upgrade for marines, it needs to be pressed right up against the bunker. All you need is constant 1 rax production, achieve that and you're golden. You'll be lifting off your barracks as soon as the bunker finishes.
And the differences between 10 and 11 rax is minor, your marine won't be coming more than a moment or two earlier, and imo 4pool is too rare to be pulling our TvZ build even slightly away from optimal just to counter it. 10 rax in close positions or on maps like Requiem maybe, but 11 rax is optimal otherwise.
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On January 25 2006 09:19 Chris307 wrote: Well people did give him really awful advice, people who shouldn't be giving advice in the Strategy forum at all honestly.
8 or 9 rax before depot? People who think that's a useful counter to 4pool should not be posting anything but questions in the Strategy forum. It sounds vulgar, but that is retarded.
His problem wasn't really his micro, either. It wasn't perfect but it was sufficient enough to beat 4pool.
As soon as you see 6 lings on the map at 4pool speed, you should no longer care about sticking to solid every-game conventions. You don't care about anything but stopping his 4pool, because if you can stop it, you've won the game, no matter how awkwardly positioned your structures are or how many bunkers you spent 100 minerals on.
As long as you can sustain 1 rax macro without having to lift off repeatedly or constantly rebuild depots, you will eventually overtake him and he'll be left in a hopeless position where he can't even touch you and is far behind in development.
Start building a bunker the instant you see those lings, not between CC and minerals but somewhere off to the side, so that it can do three things: provide cover for 1 barracks so you don't have to lift it, provide cover for atleast half of your mineral patches, and provide cover for additional depots you build in case you lose one that was built along the outskirts of your base. If you can get a second barracks under the cover of that bunker, you're in great shape and his attack will be neutralized within like 90 seconds. Once you have superior numbers, unload your bunker(s) and chase his lings around until they're out of your base. From there, winning the game is obviously just a matter of time.
Hatch in your main won't be a problem because you'll be mobilized with superior numbers before he can build one, so don't tech to siege tanks that's ridiculous. Once you have superior numbers you proceed as usual with academy and double, eventually triple rax. There won't be anything Zerg can do to stop that attack short of choking his base with Sunkens, in which case his economy is even worse off than it was before, and teching to tanks before his tech gets anywhere won't be a problem.
The most important thing to remember is that in order for a barracks to be under the cover of a bunker without range upgrade for marines, it needs to be pressed right up against the bunker. All you need is constant 1 rax production, achieve that and you're golden. You'll be lifting off your barracks as soon as the bunker finishes.
And the differences between 10 and 11 rax is minor, your marine won't be coming more than a moment or two earlier, and imo 4pool is too rare to be pulling our TvZ build even slightly away from optimal just to counter it. 10 rax in close positions or on maps like Requiem maybe, but 11 rax is optimal otherwise.
Oh his micro was sufficient enough to beat a four pool. But if it had been better, his strategy mistakes wouldn't have mattered, and in fact, wouldn't have even occured.
Certainly with different builds later in the game he could've won. But if he hadn't wasted so many scv's early on the situation would've been completely different. For instance, if someone sends all his miners to one patch, then all to another, that's the first thing you've got to address. Damage control is certainly important (knowing what to do when you've been manner pyloned), and something everyone should know. But at the same time you should also know when and how to block it, or when to let it warp in.
Now let me try to add something nobody has really stressed. When microing scv's and marines in open areas you want to keep them all moving towards your enemy. One way to do this is to hotkey. Another is to just have quick hands. But you want to have the enemy be the center of gravity and all your guys at first moving towards it, and then have the ones that overshot move back.
I think at one point you could've saved your barracks and got out a 2nd rine if you had played it well enough.
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On January 24 2006 13:11 pfff wrote: youre such a sad retard in the first ten posts of this thread, yours not including, advice was given. you just kept up with acting like a dumbass so people stopped giving advice and started to notice how you were acting like an ungrateful bitch. honestly, there might be a reason that people go out of their way just to flame you? i really hope the way you act is just some little thing you do to amuse yourself, cuz otherwise youre a really sad stupid person.
well said
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wtf is your problem asshole?? i spent my time watching ur shitty replay to give what i think would be good advice and all u can do is flame back with your shit?
fag, u dont need fucking tank its cause you were too stupid to not push out with marine/scvs after u had enough of them, think about all the resources u put into teching
again fuck you i spent my time looking at your replay to give you advice and all you can do is bitch
and your micro sucked shit you asshole, i think everyone agrees
edit: egoistical bitch, there's more than 1 solution to every problem, so shut up, do you NEED TO GET TANKS? NO, even day suggest you could've possibly went academy
and i was being nice spending time watching your replay and not flaming you calling you newb
last point: do people need to tell you EVERYTHING that you need to do to solve your problem?? do they have to be like oh u put this here, micro that there do this do that. do you need to be babied? ppl just need to tell you areas of focus and you can think it out with your own stupid head
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Aww come on at least she's hot. Has anyone seen her in pokemon!!!!! You know I gotta HIT THAT HIT THAT.
PS: I watch pokemon alot. Like ALOT.
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thanks chris, more good points. after reading this thread so long i actually forgot what happened in the rep. kind of funny. i recommend ppl read some of this thread before watching the rep to see how little sense they make. i did lose a lot of scvs, and i could have microed better. yes theoretically both of those should have won me the game way more. but 8 minutes into this fucking game, i still had a +1000 mineral advantage, more workers, etc. still should have won even then. it really really hurt losing both raxs. that's what was stupid. but i still was ahead even w that. face it, most ppl wouldnt expect hydras like that, or a proxy hatch. being surprised twice in a row just hurts like a bitch. and not many ppl have owned up to either of these facts.
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i lost to 4 pool sometimes just out of the surprise factor as well. hate that.
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On January 26 2006 02:33 CloudTime wrote: i lost to 4 pool sometimes just out of the surprise factor as well. hate that. yes, and you are not a genius either
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stimey was better when he was insecure and didnt think everyone wants to stalk him or whatever because hes aparently cool now. and stop mentioning that you have a girlfriend, its pathetic... and asking adivce on this forum.. youre going to have to expect 90% of the replies to suck dick, what do you expect? the strategy forums sucks now...
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i can't believe how much jealousy comes my way. so a genius made a mistake? would you assholes follow around einstein and point out everything he did that wasn't perfect? you obviously need an outlet for your jealousy and are oblivious that your outlet makes your stupidity only more apparent, i.e. a genius is not some infalleable deity, it is simply a person with more potential for certain mental aptitudes than you boobs. they can slip on bannana peels, or never become smart, or suck at a game. it is fine that you have a motivation to tear me down out of jealousy, but guys, sucking at it so openly that you can't even stay on topic or make sense while doing it only makes you look like the trash you are. i admire more the persons who are not trash, even if they do bring me down. in fact, that's part of fucking discussions. i piss on these stalker idiot types because they shit on discussion and lack the aptitude to pretend to even participate.
sorry but -_- is obviously one of my stalkers, there's just no getting around it. and there ARE several others.
where did i ever say i had a girlfriend? wtf are you talking about? in a topic about sex maybe i said that i had sex or something, but that's hardly like, inappriorate or something really subject to suspicion. if i see a topic about being a genius i would probably participate in that topic much the same way, since i am a genius, and you wouldn't have to say it was some kind of bragging or whatever. it's the fucking topic. so if i talk about sex or girls i'm sure it's relevant, i'm not forcing it in there. maybe you have an example to prove me wrong though?
and u are right, i shouldn't have even bothered with the 90% suck dick replies. that was a mistake. i am grateful overall as anyone who looks in this thread can see. there were like 3-4 ppl who gave really good insight to this issue, and that is all i wanted. it's sad the scum that floats around here dilutes the water, but whatever, it's still worth it. and thanks to the non-scum.
and what are you, x2fst? u talk about "stimey" and other things i post about other places. that is pretty much scum, suck dick replies as far as strategy is concerned isn't it? i guess at least you know what you are.
anyways, back to the topic i think one mistake i was making in some earlier posts i made about scouting (in a different thread, but related to this) was how you scout according to the threat of a 4 pool. ur scouting worker should see _one spot_, _one spot_ is ruled out by that no overlord came from there (but zerg can trick you and scout the wrong way!), so after you scout one spot (not two, as i previously stated, i was misremembering my old idea) you should block your ramp if you still don't know where the zerg is, because either they're at that next spot you're going to scout, or they jewed you with lord scouting and are probably on their way to gay you. (no offense to jews, gays, gay jews or jewish gays). so basically scout 1 spot while building rax, if zerg isnt there, take your ramp IMO so 4pool/9pool with scv, have your rax nearby so the rine comes out just in time (10 rax, not 11). if they were gaying then 2 rax to aca pretty much should win the game for you
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On January 26 2006 10:05 mitsy wrote: i can't believe how much jealousy comes my way. so a genius made a mistake? would you assholes follow around einstein and point out everything he did that wasn't perfect? you obviously need an outlet for your jealousy and are oblivious that your outlet makes your stupidity only more apparent, i.e. a genius is not some infalleable deity, it is simply a person with more potential for certain mental aptitudes than you boobs. they can slip on bannana peels, or never become smart, or suck at a game. it is fine that you have a motivation to tear me down out of jealousy, but guys, sucking at it so openly that you can't even stay on topic or make sense while doing it only makes you look like the trash you are. i admire more the persons who are not trash, even if they do bring me down. in fact, that's part of fucking discussions. i piss on these stalker idiot types because they shit on discussion and lack the aptitude to pretend to even participate.
sorry but -_- is obviously one of my stalkers, there's just no getting around it. and there ARE several others.
where did i ever say i had a girlfriend? wtf are you talking about? in a topic about sex maybe i said that i had sex or something, but that's hardly like, inappriorate or something really subject to suspicion. if i see a topic about being a genius i would probably participate in that topic much the same way, since i am a genius, and you wouldn't have to say it was some kind of bragging or whatever. it's the fucking topic. so if i talk about sex or girls i'm sure it's relevant, i'm not forcing it in there. maybe you have an example to prove me wrong though?
and u are right, i shouldn't have even bothered with the 90% suck dick replies. that was a mistake. i am grateful overall as anyone who looks in this thread can see. there were like 3-4 ppl who gave really good insight to this issue, and that is all i wanted. it's sad the scum that floats around here dilutes the water, but whatever, it's still worth it. and thanks to the non-scum.
and what are you, x2fst? u talk about "stimey" and other things i post about other places. that is pretty much scum, suck dick replies as far as strategy is concerned isn't it? i guess at least you know what you are.
anyways, back to the topic i think one mistake i was making in some earlier posts i made about scouting (in a different thread, but related to this) was how you scout according to the threat of a 4 pool. ur scouting worker should see _one spot_, _one spot_ is ruled out by that no overlord came from there (but zerg can trick you and scout the wrong way!), so after you scout one spot (not two, as i previously stated, i was misremembering my old idea) you should block your ramp if you still don't know where the zerg is, because either they're at that next spot you're going to scout, or they jewed you with lord scouting and are probably on their way to gay you. (no offense to jews, gays, gay jews or jewish gays). so basically scout 1 spot while building rax, if zerg isnt there, take your ramp IMO so 4pool/9pool with scv, have your rax nearby so the rine comes out just in time (10 rax, not 11). if they were gaying then 2 rax to aca pretty much should win the game for you
Fuck damn it. I've been found out. I am one of mitsy's stalkers. Here's how I do it (in case any of you want to join in).
Every day I type in www.teamliquid.net into my browser's address bar. From there, I generally click some of the forum buttons and look at the threads. If there's a new thread, sometime I post in it. If someone responds to me, generally I respond back. It just so happens that you create a thread a minute and think ninety percent of the forum is worthless so if they post in your thread they're automatically stalking you.
By the way, your first pargraph is hilarous. It's good to see you still have a sense of humor even as mitsy.
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On January 25 2006 06:24 mitsy wrote: -_- you said nothing in this thread that wasn't already said except a bunch of off topic bullshit. and after i pointed that out, you said it again?
you want a confrontation? you are shit. i hope someone kills you. you don't belong anywhere as far as i'm concerned. i'll confront you any day of the week in any dark alley you fucking nerd.
i'll confront you in any moderated debate.
what the fuck do you mean? you are shit in any confrontation, especially ones involving text and thinking, as you have so repeatedly proven. so GET THE FUCK OUT. get it?
GosuFace seems pretty on point if you ask me, all of his posts are on topic... you're the one who keeps going off topic and griping about people giving you criticism. If you didnt want the criticism in the first place why start your thread off w/ "[request help]" then flip a bitch when people take their time to look at your dumb rep and say something.
Oh yeah.. first post here guys.. thought i'd make some quick enemies in the process
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his first post here was like "micro better and macro better! play more" except it took him 300 words. it said less than the shitty ones i had already replied to. so again wtf.
his second post responded to "be more specific, dont just say 'ur control was bad' as that says nothing" with a 500 word essay that says a combination of things already pointed out and, guess what, him saying "ur control was bad" -- wow awesome. no wait, it sucked. and wait, i pointed this out twice alrady. or 3 times. whatever? point is, if you put a kernel of corn in a bucket and took a dump in it and then threw it into an outhouse that already had corn in it and u called it dinner, thats kind of what he does. thats his whole existence as far as i'm concerned. he's an adding a bucket of shit with 1 kernel in it to an outhouse's hole in the ground full of shit and corn already. ok. it doesnt have to make sense.
point is, his first post was shit, his second post was shit, and he constantly does this every thread i'm in, he attacks me and says random rehashed vague things over and over. even when i take the time to respond to them he ignores the response and keeps going. so what are you doing .. are u his new ball licker? coming here impersinating him? saying "he was good ur bad"? ok????? yes that's what we need more of. why dont everyone on tlnet come here and post random nonsense like that.
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No, im not really anyones ball licker.. as a matter of fact you're the one who seems to take to everyones nuts the instant they put something down in text.. You fell right into his trap since he allegedly stalks you and makes you look bad, and you just fell into in this thread once again apprently.. You made yourself out to be some martyr and everyone thinks your a total ho bag.. I don't have any favorites as of yet.. I was just doing some idle reading while i had some free time in class here, and from the judge of how everything was turning out you seemed to be acting pretty.. mmm.. childish.. But hey, you can lick my balls too if you want..
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fell into this thrad? its my fucking thread. he comes here and takes a dump on it. like he does everywhere.???? wtf??? u must be from his crack smoking team. you're probably just him from another location as far as i'm concerned anyways. so unlikely to see two crack smokers getting laong like this unless ur from the same crakchouse or something.
this isnt the first thread he's done this obviously, hes done it like, oh i dunno.. 6+ times in a row this week or something? u expect me to be civil and break down his 800 mistatements every fucking time? he burnt that bridge a long time ago, and now u have too, u fucking retard
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On January 26 2006 19:11 mitsy wrote: fell into this thrad? its my fucking thread. he comes here and takes a dump on it. like he does everywhere.???? wtf??? u must be from his crack smoking team. you're probably just him from another location as far as i'm concerned anyways. so unlikely to see two crack smokers getting laong like this unless ur from the same crakchouse or something.
this isnt the first thread he's done this obviously, hes done it like, oh i dunno.. 6+ times in a row this week or something? u expect me to be civil and break down his 800 mistatements every fucking time? he burnt that bridge a long time ago, and now u have too, u fucking retard
Whatever you say, mitsy. Whatever you say.
By the way, we're the Crack-smoking, Crack-backing, Crackers--and I'll have you know our team is undefeated in this years crack smokin' league.
Edit: Good call about the crackhouse thing. We were both drafted from the same uni. in '03.
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Stimey is a master of word twisting. Don't fuck with him nerds!
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On January 26 2006 10:05 mitsy wrote: i can't believe how much jealousy comes my way. so a genius made a mistake? would you assholes follow around einstein and point out everything he did that wasn't perfect? you obviously need an outlet for your jealousy and are oblivious that your outlet makes your stupidity only more apparent, i.e. a genius is not some infalleable deity, it is simply a person with more potential for certain mental aptitudes than you boobs. they can slip on bannana peels, or never become smart, or suck at a game. it is fine that you have a motivation to tear me down out of jealousy, but guys, sucking at it so openly that you can't even stay on topic or make sense while doing it only makes you look like the trash you are. i admire more the persons who are not trash, even if they do bring me down. in fact, that's part of fucking discussions. i piss on these stalker idiot types because they shit on discussion and lack the aptitude to pretend to even participate.
sorry but -_- is obviously one of my stalkers, there's just no getting around it. and there ARE several others.
O......K..... check your paranoia, people dont like you to the extent that they flame you at every opportunity, but people dont think you are cool enough to stalk.... and im going to assume that you dont think im jealous of you for whatever reason (id like to know what im envying if you do think I am...)
where did i ever say i had a girlfriend? wtf are you talking about? in a topic about sex maybe i said that i had sex or something, but that's hardly like, inappriorate or something really subject to suspicion. if i see a topic about being a genius i would probably participate in that topic much the same way, since i am a genius, and you wouldn't have to say it was some kind of bragging or whatever. it's the fucking topic. so if i talk about sex or girls i'm sure it's relevant, i'm not forcing it in there. maybe you have an example to prove me wrong though?
you allude to it enough to make its mention awkward or out of context from my point of view, most people here probably thought you were funny on your original account but i dont think anyone thought you were a 'cool' person in real life, it seems like you mention these things to change peoples view of your real life and im not sifting through all your posts to find the lines in these huge blocks of text you write to point out what im talking about. you have mentioned it in treads where its not relevant, deny if you like i dont give a shit anyway, maybe im wrong and dont read enough of your posts
and im curious as to why you suddenly consider yourself a genius, and if its not recent then why didnt you talk about your genius before?
and u are right, i shouldn't have even bothered with the 90% suck dick replies. that was a mistake. i am grateful overall as anyone who looks in this thread can see. there were like 3-4 ppl who gave really good insight to this issue, and that is all i wanted. it's sad the scum that floats around here dilutes the water, but whatever, it's still worth it. and thanks to the non-scum.
you dont have to respond saying how bad the bad replies are, you can ignore them, pointing out in detail why people are wrong make you look like youre picking a fight too often you try to start a big argument, its annoying, dissecting peoples posts (even though im doing it now) doesnt intimidate anyone. most people dont care enough to even read the enormous rebuttals you write
and what are you, x2fst? u talk about "stimey" and other things i post about other places. that is pretty much scum, suck dick replies as far as strategy is concerned isn't it? i guess at least you know what you are.
i have no idea what this sentence is saying... id like you to tell me what you mean by this, im not pretending my opinion is a big deal if thats what you mean. i guess youre trying to say i didnt write anything of merit but meh, i dont have any dreams of accomplishing anything in this forum, id post more than twice a day if that was the case
keep in mind that i dont dislike you, and your old account should not have been banned, you also have good ideas about the site, your level of involvement is... 'impressive' but the reason people dont like you is EXTREMELY apparent, and getting more so the more you post, I liked the old stimey more
i also think you probably are an intelligent guy, genius is different though, got evidence?
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I havent watched the replay. But reading through this thread I noticed that the percentage of absolutely stupid posts (like "vs 4 pool you should do 9 10 rax") is not higher than the average of other threads in strategy forum. I mean come on misty, you know that there should be some shitty replies and some good ones too, there are indeed good ones down there, try to get something from those posts and ignore the others, why do a flame war? You are not new to this site yes?
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you allude to it enough to make its mention awkward or out of context from my point of view, most people here probably thought you were funny on your original account but i dont think anyone thought you were a 'cool' person in real life, it seems like you mention these things to change peoples view of your real life and im not sifting through all your posts to find the lines in these huge blocks of text you write to point out what im talking about. you have mentioned it in treads where its not relevant, deny if you like i dont give a shit anyway, maybe im wrong and dont read enough of your posts maybe it's true but i honestly dont know what ur talking about. if anything imo i go out of my way to avoid saying anything about my personal life, so if you see something different i would have been interested in seeing it, but if you dont want to bother, stop talking about it twice you fucker.
and im curious as to why you suddenly consider yourself a genius, and if its not recent then why didnt you talk about your genius before?
i am a genius, why do you care? why do you want to talk about my reasons for saying it? i started the thread on a non-serious impulse and now it has become a theme that jealous fags bring up constantly, so yes, in their face, i will remind them that i am, factually, a genius.
keep in mind that i dont dislike you, and your old account should not have been banned, you also have good ideas about the site, your level of involvement is... 'impressive' but the reason people dont like you is EXTREMELY apparent, and getting more so the more you post, I liked the old stimey more
all the more reason for me to disapprove of your posts the same as i would anyone else. there are so many absolutely shitty fuckers around here that think i pick on them because they don't like me, when they suck ass either way.
i think this thread is yet another accomplishment, just like the "ask a genius" thread and a couple others, in that if you skim it, you see the same people making utterly off topic, non substanitive, contributions reflecting no participation, no reading, etc.
playjunior i think yes that was an error, to not flat out ignore the shitty ppls. but then again, if they get ignored, they will probably keep doing it even more. if someone responds to them, maybe it comes to a head and their quality gets noticed more quickly, who knows. if i had never fought with -_- in the last 10 threads he took a dump on i probably wouldnt have such convincing written evidence of him not being worth life. but it doesn't make a difference if i'm the only one who sees it. but what more can someone do than make it as visible as possible?
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whoah... W T F... this thread is definitely the work of a genious...
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On January 27 2006 06:59 mitsy wrote:Show nested quote +you allude to it enough to make its mention awkward or out of context from my point of view, most people here probably thought you were funny on your original account but i dont think anyone thought you were a 'cool' person in real life, it seems like you mention these things to change peoples view of your real life and im not sifting through all your posts to find the lines in these huge blocks of text you write to point out what im talking about. you have mentioned it in treads where its not relevant, deny if you like i dont give a shit anyway, maybe im wrong and dont read enough of your posts maybe it's true but i honestly dont know what ur talking about. if anything imo i go out of my way to avoid saying anything about my personal life, so if you see something different i would have been interested in seeing it, but if you dont want to bother, stop talking about it twice you fucker. Show nested quote +and im curious as to why you suddenly consider yourself a genius, and if its not recent then why didnt you talk about your genius before? i am a genius, why do you care? why do you want to talk about my reasons for saying it? i started the thread on a non-serious impulse and now it has become a theme that jealous fags bring up constantly, so yes, in their face, i will remind them that i am, factually, a genius. Show nested quote +keep in mind that i dont dislike you, and your old account should not have been banned, you also have good ideas about the site, your level of involvement is... 'impressive' but the reason people dont like you is EXTREMELY apparent, and getting more so the more you post, I liked the old stimey more all the more reason for me to disapprove of your posts the same as i would anyone else. there are so many absolutely shitty fuckers around here that think i pick on them because they don't like me, when they suck ass either way. i think this thread is yet another accomplishment, just like the "ask a genius" thread and a couple others, in that if you skim it, you see the same people making utterly off topic, non substanitive, contributions reflecting no participation, no reading, etc. playjunior i think yes that was an error, to not flat out ignore the shitty ppls. but then again, if they get ignored, they will probably keep doing it even more. if someone responds to them, maybe it comes to a head and their quality gets noticed more quickly, who knows. if i had never fought with -_- in the last 10 threads he took a dump on i probably wouldnt have such convincing written evidence of him not being worth life. but it doesn't make a difference if i'm the only one who sees it. but what more can someone do than make it as visible as possible? being a genius does not make you any less of an idiot
Oh, my, god. Becky, look at her butt. It is so big. *scoff* She looks like, one of those rap guys' girlfriends. But, y'know, who understands those rap guys? *scoff* They only talk to her, because, she looks like a total prostitute, 'kay? I mean, her butt, is just so big. *scoff* I can't believe it's just so round, it's like, out there, I mean - gross. Look! She's just so ... black!
I like big butts and I can not lie You other brothers can't deny That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist And a round thing in your face You get sprung, wanna pull out your tough 'Cause you notice that butt was stuffed Deep in the jeans she's wearing I'm hooked and I can't stop staring Oh baby, I wanna get wit'cha And take your picture My homeboys tried to warn me But with that butt you got makes me feel so horny Ooh, Rump-o'-smooth-skin You say you wanna get in my Benz? Well, use me, use me 'Cause you ain't that average groupy I've seen them dancin' The hell with romancin' She's sweat, wet, Got it goin' like a turbo 'Vette I'm tired of magazines Sayin' flat butts are the thing Take the average black man and ask him that She gotta pack much back So, fellas! (Yeah!) Fellas! (Yeah!) Has your girlfriend got the butt? (Hell yeah!) Tell 'em to shake it! (Shake it!) Shake it! (Shake it!) Shake that healthy butt! Baby got back!
L.A. face with Oakland booty Baby got back!
I like 'em round, and big And when I'm throwin' a gig I just can't help myself, I'm actin' like an animal Now here's my scandal I wanna get you home And ugh, double-up, ugh, ugh I ain't talkin' bout Playboy 'Cause silicone parts are made for toys I want 'em real thick and juicy So find that juicy double Mix-a-Lot's in trouble Beggin' for a piece of that bubble So I'm lookin' at rock videos Knock-kneeded bimbos walkin' like hoes You can have them bimbos I'll keep my women like Flo Jo A word to the thick soul sistas, I wanna get with ya I won't cuss or hit ya But I gotta be straight when I say I wanna *fuck* Til the break of dawn Baby got it goin' on A lot of simps won't like this song 'Cause them punks like to hit it and quit it And I'd rather stay and play 'Cause I'm long, and I'm strong And I'm down to get the friction on So, ladies! {Yeah!} Ladies! {Yeah} If you wanna role in my Mercedes {Yeah!} Then turn around! Stick it out! Even white boys got to shout Baby got back!
Baby got back! Yeah, baby ... when it comes to females, Cosmo ain't got nothin' to do with my selection. 36-24-36? Ha ha, only if she's 5'3".
So your girlfriend rolls a Honda, playin' workout tapes by Fonda But Fonda ain't got a motor in the back of her Honda My anaconda don't want none Unless you've got buns, hun You can do side bends or sit-ups, But please don't lose that butt Some brothers wanna play that "hard" role And tell you that the butt ain't gold So they toss it and leave it And I pull up quick to retrieve it So Cosmo says you're fat Well I ain't down with that! 'Cause your waist is small and your curves are kickin' And I'm thinkin' bout stickin' To the beanpole dames in the magazines: You ain't it, Miss Thing! Give me a sista, I can't resist her Red beans and rice didn't miss her Some knucklehead tried to dis 'Cause his girls are on my list He had game but he chose to hit 'em And I pull up quick to get wit 'em So ladies, if the butt is round, And you want a triple X throw down, Dial 1-900-MIXALOT And kick them nasty thoughts Baby got back!
Little in the middle but she got much back.....
you dig?
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mitsy, the perfect God of all loses?
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