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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3229 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-08 10:52:37
April 08 2025 10:52 GMT
#21
To be fair almost every season the Ro16 is stacked.

Imagine if all the big names were here: JYJ for Scan, Flash for Barracks, Royal for Speed (Speed is not even weaker, just less ASL points), Soma for Action.
Soft_General_5023
Profile Joined December 2023
138 Posts
April 08 2025 12:20 GMT
#22
On April 08 2025 19:52 TMNT wrote:
To be fair almost every season the Ro16 is stacked.

Imagine if all the big names were here: JYJ for Scan, Flash for Barracks, Royal for Speed (Speed is not even weaker, just less ASL points), Soma for Action.


that still could happen in the next season, not sure when Soma is back. Now imagine Larva joining.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8907 Posts
April 08 2025 12:21 GMT
#23
ok TL ! Liquibets are up! Don't forget to vote !!
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4267 Posts
April 08 2025 12:44 GMT
#24
First round matchups are 1v2 / 3v4?
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19366 Posts
April 08 2025 12:44 GMT
#25
Group A: Players who will probably win it all
Groups B & C: Players that are good, but all have a track record of coming up short as of late
Group D: All players who should win it all, but typically don't
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Soft_General_5023
Profile Joined December 2023
138 Posts
April 08 2025 13:08 GMT
#26
i think this time someone from group D will win it

is there a bet on that?
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8171 Posts
April 08 2025 13:45 GMT
#27
So we'll finally see some games on death valley this round maybe?
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4267 Posts
April 08 2025 14:34 GMT
#28
On April 08 2025 22:45 Ideas wrote:
So we'll finally see some games on death valley this round maybe?

Not likely.

The play-offs maybe. If a series goes full 7 games.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10480 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-08 15:33:07
April 08 2025 15:29 GMT
#29
On April 08 2025 19:33 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2025 17:27 konadora wrote:
man those groups are crazy lol

my thoughts exactly

probably the most stacked ro16.. ever?

with groups C & D being especially bonkers

Scan is the only real "weak" player who managed to get in this time. I looked back to see if there were any other seasons that only had 1 main weak player.
SSL Autumn: Sea (Actually, the only difference in the Ro16 this year is Sea, Royal out, Scan and Queen in)
ASL17: Mong (Differences here are Mind, Royal, JYJ, Mong out, Queen, Speed, Scan, Jaedong in)
ASL16: Calm, Killer, Ample (pretty weak)
ASL15: Shine, sSak, Barracks (before he leveled up)
ASL14: Mong, sSak, Shine (somehow made it to Ro8)
ASL13: ggaemo
ASL12: 815, free, noob, beast, Barracks (before level up)
ASL11: Mong, Royal (before level up and formerly known as sorry)
ASL10: Leta, free
ASL 9: Mong, Barracks, Horang2, Sea.KH
ASL 8: Zelot, Sascri (somehow made it over SK for Ro8), Horang2
ASL 7: Horang2, Guemchi, Piano, Calm, Modesty, Sascri (holy weak ASL)
ASL 6: Shine (this ASL had a lot more mid-tier players than contenders, but still a pretty strong Ro16)
ASL 5: Shine, Where, Movie
ASL 4: Mong, Killer (made ro8), sSak, Shine
ASL 3: Hyun, ggaemo, Guemchi, Jaehoon, Mong (made ro8). Shine also was here but he somehow made it to the finals on that infamous bag of builds run.
ASL 2: Guemchi (made ro8), Rush (before level up), Movie
ASL 1: free, Jaehoon, Piano, Mong, sSak

Overall, ASL 13, 17, 18, and 19 were the only ones where you had 1 "weak" player.
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Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States388 Posts
April 08 2025 16:52 GMT
#30
Come ON BARRACKS YOU CAN MAKE IT OUT OF RO16 AGAIN LETS GOOOOOO

These groups all look insane to me, I'm really excited for the games!
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1727 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-08 18:15:25
April 08 2025 18:13 GMT
#31
I feel that all Jaedong needs now is to build up confidence since he is displaying a bit of his former self. If he manages to pass with no struggle, his next opponent will be in real trouble for ro8 whoever that might be. A leap of faith.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3229 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-08 18:19:36
April 08 2025 18:19 GMT
#32
On April 09 2025 03:13 iFU.pauline wrote:
I feel that all Jaedong needs now is to build up confidence since he is displaying a bit of his former self. If he manages to pass with no struggle, his next opponent will be in real trouble for ro8 whoever that might be. A leap of faith.

+ Show Spoiler +
He just got destroyed 7-2 in a B09 ultimate battle by Rush so don't keep your hope up too much
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1727 Posts
April 08 2025 18:33 GMT
#33
On April 09 2025 03:19 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2025 03:13 iFU.pauline wrote:
I feel that all Jaedong needs now is to build up confidence since he is displaying a bit of his former self. If he manages to pass with no struggle, his next opponent will be in real trouble for ro8 whoever that might be. A leap of faith.

+ Show Spoiler +
He just got destroyed 7-2 in a B09 ultimate battle by Rush so don't keep your hope up too much


What about the ultimate battle he won then?
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
291 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-08 18:51:06
April 08 2025 18:48 GMT
#34
JD won many UBs last few months btw, but he is def. not consistent enough to be considered a favourite.

On a good day he will make it out of his group, but his good days are 50/50 at best.

He is not practicing enough imo. He needs to play more, every day.
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-08 19:44:13
April 08 2025 19:30 GMT
#35
On April 08 2025 14:50 prosatan wrote:
Group D is insane!

But it is a lottery for LB..


I spent a few mins on mine lol. I felt like I was ordering some shit at Starbucks with a huge line behind me. Like I DON'T KNOW MAN, F***. I kinda want the GRANDE SUPREMO but the UBER DELUXE MAGNIFICO is also prty good. o fuck me.
I went with:

A: Soulkey, Barracks
B: Speed, Best
C: Queen, Rain
D: herO, Mini

I'll probably be completely wrong and everyone will laugh at me. I'M USED TO IT.


On April 08 2025 21:44 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
First round matchups are 1v2 / 3v4?


afaik. hence the importance of players picking each other: they're picking their opponent.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8907 Posts
April 08 2025 20:01 GMT
#36
On April 09 2025 04:30 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2025 14:50 prosatan wrote:
Group D is insane!

But it is a lottery for LB..


I spent a few mins on mine lol. I felt like I was ordering some shit at Starbucks with a huge line behind me. Like I DON'T KNOW MAN, F***. I kinda want the GRANDE SUPREMO but the UBER DELUXE MAGNIFICO is also prty good. o fuck me.
I went with:

A: Soulkey, Barracks
B: Speed, Best
C: Queen, Rain
D: herO, Mini

I'll probably be completely wrong and everyone will laugh at me. I'M USED TO IT.


Show nested quote +
On April 08 2025 21:44 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
First round matchups are 1v2 / 3v4?


afaik. hence the importance of players picking each other: they're picking their opponent.


I hate it because i didn't vote for JD , but the LB is made with your head , not with your heart !

I got:

Sk and Light

Best and Speed

Bisu and Zero

Rush and mini
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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1116 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-08 21:15:33
April 08 2025 21:13 GMT
#37
Most interesting group for me is group C.
Action over Rain, but luckily, Rain has no T. But unfortunately, Action has no T. But luckily, Bisu has no T.
And ZerO brings his A-game to this mess, while Action is always a danger for him in ZvsZ. This draw can't be bad for Rain,and i guess Soulkey would have interfere to help him with his Swap if that wasn't the case. I think Bisu is screwed even with this favorable draw, because he hasn't played well at all lately.
Somehow, i think Rain and ZerO should advance.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8171 Posts
April 08 2025 21:21 GMT
#38
When rush is on fire and in shape he seems SO strong, and still has fire in his belly for a title. I think sk is still favorite but he seems somewhat contempt after 3peat, maybe losing his drive? Seems inevitable for players after winning so many titles.
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8879 Posts
April 09 2025 05:06 GMT
#39
On April 08 2025 07:00 lamarine wrote:
why did SK put light into his group?

because rush and light appealed to him that they arent confident against snow. in order to increase chances of snow being eliminated, a zerg should be in his group.
sk was contemplating between sending queen and hero but ultimately sent hero because it eliminates the coinflip zvz matchup in his own group and lets him practice only one matchup for the entire round.
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States388 Posts
April 09 2025 07:02 GMT
#40
Honestly Ima just go with my heart for LB, results should be interesting no matter what!

- A: SK/Barracks
- B: Sharp/Best
- C: Queen/Action (any news on if Rain "practiced" for bw or is playing league?)
- D: Hero/Snow
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