• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 07:30
CET 13:30
KST 21:30
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT20Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book16Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0224LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker16
StarCraft 2
General
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Team League Season 10
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth
Brood War
General
Ladder maps - how we can make blizz update them? Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War Gypsy to Korea TvZ is the most complete match up BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Megathread Path of Exile Diablo 2 thread Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Inside the Communication of …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2123 users

Why is Flash's TvZ meta out of style now

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
bochs
Profile Joined February 2022
116 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-31 16:43:35
August 31 2024 16:02 GMT
#1
When Flash was in his prime time, his tvz meta was to start with bio, but transition into mech in the mid game, and split the map half and half with Zerg, with lots of mines all over the map, and 10+ tanks to defend the new bases. A classic such game is Flash vs Soulkey on Circuit Breaker, in Ace Match of Dabang Afreeca Team Battle:
.

Why has this TvZ meta gone out of style these days?
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7979 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-31 17:41:43
August 31 2024 17:40 GMT
#2
Because zerg players have figured out they could make a thousand queens that murder tanks from a mile away with broodlings.

You still have a timing window for mech pushes, but once the queens are out with their energy up, tanks are kind of useless.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey654 Posts
September 11 2024 19:48 GMT
#3
I still wait until zerg players develop 1 queen infest CC meta. They already do double stacks of mutas. What is to stop them from hatching a queen to go with it? It could punish moving out terrans since they rely the zerg cannot cause much havoc. Guess again...
Turrican
tankgirl
Profile Blog Joined May 2016
Canada439 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-11 21:03:50
September 11 2024 21:02 GMT
#4
mong still plays this style occassionally. zergs just got too good with queens and defilers.

ASL Mong vs Soulkey
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/627255-progamer-settings
TL+ Member
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
12:00
King of the Hill #238
Liquipedia
WardiTV Winter Champion…
12:00
Group B
IndyStarCraft 328
WardiTV280
Liquipedia
KCM Race Survival
10:00
Regular season
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 1121
LiquipediaDiscussion
PiG Sty Festival
09:00
Group A
Maru vs Bunny
Classic vs SHIN
PiGStarcraft1235
TKL 349
Rex268
IntoTheiNu 25
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft1235
TKL 349
IndyStarCraft 328
Rex 268
Lowko239
ProTech135
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 30373
Horang2 8548
Hyuk 3016
GuemChi 2247
Bisu 1312
Sea 1236
Jaedong 784
Flash 744
Stork 342
BeSt 263
[ Show more ]
Mini 256
Snow 246
EffOrt 234
Shuttle 227
ZerO 212
Light 189
Last 161
Larva 153
Hyun 151
ggaemo 136
hero 126
Mong 93
Pusan 92
Soma 88
Soulkey 67
Barracks 57
Sea.KH 56
Rush 53
Mind 37
Hm[arnc] 36
JulyZerg 36
sSak 31
JYJ 28
ToSsGirL 27
sorry 25
ZergMaN 24
scan(afreeca) 20
Icarus 19
Free 18
Bale 17
NaDa 17
Terrorterran 16
GoRush 14
910 13
Movie 11
Dota 2
Gorgc3293
Dendi330
XcaliburYe82
canceldota41
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1871
x6flipin394
allub283
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor138
Other Games
singsing2575
Liquid`RaSZi1009
B2W.Neo594
crisheroes265
XaKoH 223
Mew2King89
QueenE73
Trikslyr31
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 942
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• 3DClanTV 33
• iHatsuTV 13
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1906
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
11h 30m
PiG Sty Festival
20h 30m
Clem vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
Escore
21h 30m
Epic.LAN
23h 30m
Replay Cast
1d 11h
PiG Sty Festival
1d 20h
herO vs NightMare
Reynor vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
1d 21h
Epic.LAN
1d 23h
Replay Cast
2 days
PiG Sty Festival
2 days
Serral vs YoungYakov
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
4 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-18
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
WardiTV Winter 2026
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: King of Kings
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4 - TS5
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026: China & Korea Invitational
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.