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Why is Flash's TvZ meta out of style now

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bochs
Profile Joined February 2022
119 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-31 16:43:35
August 31 2024 16:02 GMT
#1
When Flash was in his prime time, his tvz meta was to start with bio, but transition into mech in the mid game, and split the map half and half with Zerg, with lots of mines all over the map, and 10+ tanks to defend the new bases. A classic such game is Flash vs Soulkey on Circuit Breaker, in Ace Match of Dabang Afreeca Team Battle:
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Why has this TvZ meta gone out of style these days?
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8098 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-08-31 17:41:43
August 31 2024 17:40 GMT
#2
Because zerg players have figured out they could make a thousand queens that murder tanks from a mile away with broodlings.

You still have a timing window for mech pushes, but once the queens are out with their energy up, tanks are kind of useless.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey715 Posts
September 11 2024 19:48 GMT
#3
I still wait until zerg players develop 1 queen infest CC meta. They already do double stacks of mutas. What is to stop them from hatching a queen to go with it? It could punish moving out terrans since they rely the zerg cannot cause much havoc. Guess again...
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tankgirl
Profile Blog Joined May 2016
Canada475 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-11 21:03:50
September 11 2024 21:02 GMT
#4
mong still plays this style occassionally. zergs just got too good with queens and defilers.

ASL Mong vs Soulkey
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/627255-progamer-settings
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