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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1328 Posts
June 17 2024 19:06 GMT
#21
On June 18 2024 03:58 zelevin wrote:
How much does this exaggerate Sea? I don't know much about brood war player lore.

It does and it doesn't. Back then Sea's talent alone was enough to play at the level back then, because the meta was MUCH LESS refined and MUCH LESS optimized. Now with peak optimizations, refinements and such, even with a lot of practice, which he had in 2023 june-2024january, he didn't get close to being a top performer.

Now Soulkey and Rain on the other hand are prime examples of Talent + medium effort.
JDON MY SOUL!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5981 Posts
June 17 2024 19:27 GMT
#22
Rain hasn't cared enough anymore in well over a year now. No effort, let alone medium effort to be found there. Also don't forget Light 4-0 Rain, and a bit of a stretch but maybe also don't forget Jaedong 4-0 Rain.

Rain only won golds cuz:
1. He didn't meet Flash.
2. cuz of PvP (and Snow and Mini being chokers).
3. Light didn't know how to play TvP yet.
4. MPL wasn't a regular thing yet.

Rain really is overrated.
FBH #1!
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1328 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-17 20:58:28
June 17 2024 20:56 GMT
#23
On June 18 2024 04:27 Peeano wrote:
Rain hasn't cared enough anymore in well over a year now. No effort, let alone medium effort to be found there. Also don't forget Light 4-0 Rain, and a bit of a stretch but maybe also don't forget Jaedong 4-0 Rain.

Rain only won golds cuz:
1. He didn't meet Flash.
2. cuz of PvP (and Snow and Mini being chokers).
3. Light didn't know how to play TvP yet.
4. MPL wasn't a regular thing yet.

Rain really is overrated.


MPL is a regular thing since 2019 August.
ASL13 Rain beat Soma 4-2, Beat Soulkey 3-2, Beat Light in Ro16 2-1 and Royal 1-0 Ro24 was Action 1-0 and Bishop 1-0.

He bombed in Ro24s in ASL16 R(vs Calm & Soulkey) and 17(vs barracks & RoyaL).

To get a general idea on his performance extend the match history on his ELOBOARD. He's doing well when he's active, and does semi-well when he's not as active. Sea as a comparison didn't even do half as well.

https://eloboard.com/men/bbs/board.php?bo_table=bj_list&wr_id=39

[image loading]


JDON MY SOUL!
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1603 Posts
June 17 2024 22:19 GMT
#24
On June 14 2024 18:48 JoinTheRain wrote:
Nothing new, it's like the saying "You can't make a whistle out of every tree." I mean, no matter how much I train or like basketball and enjoy playing it, no amount of basketball training, best coaches, conditions and all, none of it will prevent LeBron James from crushing me 100% every game.


Bugsy was 5 foot 3 and did well in the NBA. Sure natural talent and some genetic advantages can do somethings for you, but your dedication can make up for a lot more than people think. The difference largely being that lebron not only has a physical advantage, but he does practice a lot as well. So, no if you were bugsy you might get beat by him, but he beats everyone else as well too. But that doesn't mean you couldn't make a difference in other ways.
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