Maps with Reverse Race Imba?

SerpentFlame

418 Posts

April 12 2024 21:03 GMT

What are some maps with strong
P > Z > T > P?

What features would such a map have?

I was wondering why the "standard race imba" (T>Z>P>T) persists when maps are a balancing factors. It's easy to find Maps with the "normal" imba (T>Z>P>T) and maps with 2 MUs reverse-imba (Sparkle is P > Z > T = P), but I haven't seen one with all the MUs reverse-imba.

(I looked at https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/514719-all-time-broodwar-most-balanced-maps-ranked and spot checked some bottom ranked maps, but I couldn't find one with the feature I'm looking for).

RJBTVYOUTUBE

Netherlands1265 Posts

April 12 2024 22:23 GMT

A post with winrates taken from ELOBAORD posted by TMNT in another thread:
It shows on which maps the triangle of races does not apply.

On April 10 2024 15:16 TMNT wrote:
Polypoid 53%
Vermeer 52.7%
Retro 52.9%
Eclipse 52.7%
Fighting Spirit 53.8%
Allegro 59.1%
(66k games on these first 6 maps)
Ascension 52.2%
Nemesis 52.1%
La Campanella 54.7%
Dark Origin 59.8%
Largo 63.4%
Heartbreak Ridge 52.1%
Goodnight 66.5%
Odyssey 51.9%
Metaverse 56.7%
76 58.3%
Neo Arkanoid 57.9%

Neo Sylphid 50%
Apocalypse 49.9%
Neo Dark Origin 50.9%
(20k games on these 3 maps)

Revolver 43.9% (the most played maps that can be considered Protoss favored in PvZ - 2700 games)
Butter 48.8%
Invader 48.9%
Tempest 48.6%
Radeon 48.3%
Citadel 47.3%
Blitz Y 36.3%
Monopoly 47%
Troy 41.2%

LUCKY_NOOB

Bulgaria1544 Posts

April 13 2024 08:40 GMT

On April 13 2024 06:03 SerpentFlame wrote:
What are some maps with strong
P > Z > T > P?

(Sparkle is P > Z > T = P), but I haven't seen one with all the MUs reverse-imba.

I just want to say Sparkle thing is wrong. Could be either P > Z > T > P or P = T > Z. If P > Z and Z > T then T cant be = to P. Otherwise it says T is simultaneously equal and less than Z which is nonsense.

SerpentFlame

418 Posts

April 14 2024 02:32 GMT

On April 13 2024 17:40 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:

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To clarify, what i mean is:
PvZ is P favored.
ZvT is Z favored.
TvP is neutral for both races.

There's no contradiction in this, and (as far as I remember) that's what the statistics show.

I'm not saying Terran and Protoss are equally strong on the map, just that TvP is balanced. Apologies if my language was unclear

SerpentFlame

418 Posts

April 14 2024 02:35 GMT

On April 13 2024 07:23 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
A post with winrates taken from ELOBAORD posted by TMNT in another thread:
It shows on which maps the triangle of races does not apply.

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Assuming this is ZvP winrate where > 50% is zerg favored (I think this is from the JD thread), this shows me maps where P > Z, but of these I think only Radeon has T > P and Z > T (and only barely). Thanks for the data!

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