But mishin, omg, is a legend! Good memories from iccup. Played a couple of times against him as P, went carriers and won both times. Ahah.
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3208 Posts
But mishin, omg, is a legend! Good memories from iccup. Played a couple of times against him as P, went carriers and won both times. Ahah. | ||
Jealous
9967 Posts
On November 19 2020 17:34 Poegim wrote: Funny, every my game vs him was like playing vs robot, and he always was doing some typical long-term build-order starting from FE into 4-5fact. But im protoss. This was my experience as well, and he was actually quite good at this 2 base push style. I thought "how the hell is this guy C?" hahaha. On November 20 2020 03:41 Chosi wrote: I am D and will forever remain D as I play Terran and I am simply not fast enough for that race but too stubborn to switch. Also, among the very few people who still play Starcraft today, it seems to me (just personally) that there are the "good" players (have been good and therefore kept playing) and the "bad" players (recently started or have never been good) but not a lot in between (not a lot of players pick up the game and climb from bad to good). So when you are D and play, most of the time you either win easily (against really bad players) or you get crushed completely (by great players). And even if you analyze and understand why you lost, you might not be able to do something about it. EDIT: if someone want's to change my mind and challenge my view by coaching me into C, I am in :-P I think in the case of mishin, it is more to do with lack of any real desire to improve or at least any real effort. You can open up a game of Brood War and press the same exact buttons doing some silly build order (in my experience he did 3 Fac off of 1 base blindly) without any critical thought or analysis of replays (there is no chance he had time to review those games he lost), just raging and disrespecting your opponent after a loss and taking no responsibility, it is no surprise that he never got significantly better. Should be noted that he only started hitting C- after the point system on ICCup had changed. | ||
LML
Germany1696 Posts
On November 20 2020 04:25 ne4aJIb wrote: I read human coconut, lol But mishin, omg, is a legend! Good memories from iccup. Played a couple of times against him as P, went carriers and won both times. Ahah. Until I saw your comment I had read it as "human coconut" like half a dozen times already lol | ||
BigFan
TLADT24917 Posts
On November 20 2020 04:25 ne4aJIb wrote: I read human coconut, lol But mishin, omg, is a legend! Good memories from iccup. Played a couple of times against him as P, went carriers and won both times. Ahah. Same here haha. Quite a lot of games played by some of these players. I don't think I even come close ;; | ||
Bakuryu
Germany1065 Posts
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Q~Bert
United States657 Posts
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HerbMon
United States454 Posts
On November 19 2020 14:51 TelecoM wrote: what does it mean if you learn nothing and waste time? Means you're in the same boat as me. | ||
Greth
Belgium318 Posts
"Really? Since you went to school? WTF Why are you not in a proper league? How many hours have you wasted being bad?" | ||
Jealous
9967 Posts
On November 20 2020 18:05 Greth wrote: Go to a local football field, go up to a couple of guys who look to be in their thirties and ask them how long they've played the game. "Really? Since you went to school? WTF Why are you not in a proper league? How many hours have you wasted being bad?" My first instinct was that this was a good point/allegory, and to be honest it still is in some ways, but it doesn't really apply to mishin for a few reasons. 1. He plays ladder 1v1. That's like being in a competitive league; something like a local traveling team in the USA (because ICCup is not Fish or an amateur Korean team). Those players are pretty good. 2. They didn't play hundreds, thousands of pick up games a year, multiple long hours, many days a week, for many years straight. 3. Being D after that astronomical number of games in this context is like a player who runs onto the field and runs directly at the ball every moment and then just kicks the ball at the goal no matter where on the pitch they are. A twelve year old with one year casual playtime has better sense than that. Sure they are having fun, and won't improve, but come on lol. I get that you defend being bad and playing casual but you have to acknowledge this isn't the same as playing a few NHFFA a week. Thus, mishin's insane consistency in remaining at the same skill level is pretty far removed from the average 30 year old casual soccer player who played since high school whom you would find in a pick up game. | ||
Q~Bert
United States657 Posts
On November 21 2020 01:15 Jealous wrote: My first instinct was that this was a good point/allegory, and to be honest it still is in some ways, but it doesn't really apply to mishin for a few reasons. 1. He plays ladder 1v1. That's like being in a competitive league; something like a local traveling team in the USA (because ICCup is not Fish or an amateur Korean team). Those players are pretty good. 2. They didn't play hundreds, thousands of pick up games a year, multiple long hours, many days a week, for many years straight. 3. Being D after that astronomical number of games in this context is like a player who runs onto the field and runs directly at the ball every moment and then just kicks the ball at the goal no matter where on the pitch they are. A twelve year old with one year casual playtime has better sense than that. Sure they are having fun, and won't improve, but come on lol. I get that you defend being bad and playing casual but you have to acknowledge this isn't the same as playing a few NHFFA a week. Thus, mishin's insane consistency in remaining at the same skill level is pretty far removed from the average 30 year old casual soccer player who played since high school whom you would find in a pick up game. This is along the lines of what I was going to say but I wasn't going to bother. In every aspect of life a person has a ceiling and those with more natural talent will have higher ceilings than others. These barriers can be broken, of course, but it requires work ethic and focus. I have been at the same level in starcraft, albeit higher than most, for years despite playing thousands of games. This is because I do not pursue the work necessary to push higher - I just so happen to have a higher ceiling. | ||
Greth
Belgium318 Posts
On November 21 2020 01:15 Jealous wrote: My first instinct was that this was a good point/allegory, and to be honest it still is in some ways, but it doesn't really apply to mishin for a few reasons. 1. He plays ladder 1v1. That's like being in a competitive league; something like a local traveling team in the USA (because ICCup is not Fish or an amateur Korean team). Those players are pretty good. 2. They didn't play hundreds, thousands of pick up games a year, multiple long hours, many days a week, for many years straight. 3. Being D after that astronomical number of games in this context is like a player who runs onto the field and runs directly at the ball every moment and then just kicks the ball at the goal no matter where on the pitch they are. A twelve year old with one year casual playtime has better sense than that. Sure they are having fun, and won't improve, but come on lol. I get that you defend being bad and playing casual but you have to acknowledge this isn't the same as playing a few NHFFA a week. Thus, mishin's insane consistency in remaining at the same skill level is pretty far removed from the average 30 year old casual soccer player who played since high school whom you would find in a pick up game. Yes, it does fall apart because of one critical element: human interaction. Eventually someone is going to call this person out, or help them understand the clear flaws they're making in regards to the local metagame. Because a ladder allows games to be played with very little interaction (worse so now with RM) you can maintain your own personal meta and win games here and there (enough to remain stable in your rank) because of your own learned interpretations. Football / soccer is a team sport, so perhaps an inaccurate example. Perhaps more along the lines of Tennis. There are plenty of local tennis players that play games every week in their in-club tournaments. They use wrong stances, they leave obvious openings in their play, but considering everyone in the club shares a metagame and isn't being trained properly, they stay competitive at their own level. The bad players have good days, and still win despite their flawed understanding, and once there is a larger tournament, on a county or provincial level, then all these metas mix and the proper players will always win. I was in a Table Tennis club like that. I was barely ranked because our club never had proper training - which we only learned about when we went to those tournaments. I switched teams, and got my ranking just in time to move to the +18 bracket and get my ass kicked until I quit. Doing this on iccup is still impressive, as it was the competitive hub of the game, an international one. But with a pool small enough, you can still form these islands of meta with a very stable tide that rises and falls, creating the often misunderstood "ELO hell" where a player is unable to learn the skills to get them out. You'd be surprised how many people wish to be competitive, yet have no desire to improve. I've met many people that have a mindset of "I will get better on my own, without listening to anyone." This usually isn't an issue in modern games, as they cater to that with unlocks and experience and systems to provide a 50% winrate in teamgames (like Overwatch). But games with a few decades of meta to learn like actual sports and indeed Brood War, that becomes a pit not many people crawl out from. | ||
[7x]dizzy
Russian Federation37 Posts
That is 19836 games | ||
kogeT
Poland1996 Posts
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EndingLife
United States1558 Posts
Well over 2000 games on ONE ladder acount in ONE season. He's single-handedly keeping foreign BW alive. | ||
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