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Hello TL, it has been years since the initial launch of BW Remastered, and still we....
-Still have hacks being exploited on Ladder with an AntiHack(Warden) that does next to nothing, the #1 player on the ladder clearly is not only abusing an exploit to make all matches say "undecided", but he clearly mineral hacks as well. (shown in the screenshot below, 88888+ Minerals / Gas.)
-Still no team matchmaking
-UI(user interface) issues. (Lag, glitches, game list glitch, etc.) *This issue looks like it will be resolved through the PTR*
-Ladder abusers still exist and it is taking Blizzard WAY TOO LONG to ban them, The #1 ranked player on the ladder is 172-0 with 3032 MMR, he has been sitting at the top of the ladder with 1 ONE game (technically if you look at his stats, all of his games except one are "Undecided" matches).
He has been Rank #1 for a few weeks now, this is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE, why? Because, the ladder is supposed to be a relatively accurate display of skill, it is meant to be challenging / rewarding, and as we all know through the times of PGT, Gamei, iCCup, SC2GG, and even as far as Ladder Challenges ( Blizzards first initial SC Vanilla ladder ), it has always been a staple of the community and seemingly the best way to challenge yourself as a player, is to go hit the ladder.
-We all know the response time to fixing issues or even acknowledging them takes way too long, we all love this game and as others have stated before, the BW Remastered team is under staffed, they are i'm sure overwhelmed with responsibilities and duties, regardless they seem undermanned / understaffed.
Maybe there is some sort of IP right issues with having a 3rd party ladder at the moment with BW remastered going on, but I think it is time we start a petition in order to either...
A) Get ShieldBattery back up and running again.
B) Demand a better development team from Blizzard / and or demand they are given more assistance to tackle the issues at hand / find another way to work with Blizzard so they / WE can all fix these issues.
C) Another 3rd party server like PGT, Gamei, iCCup, etc.
I'm not trying to start a witch hunt and/or make people hate Blizzard or to make people lose their minds, I think it is time to band together as the community always has to fix issues that arise from Blizzards lackluster support at times.
Starting a petition can kill 2 birds with one stone, we can either...
A) Get better support through Blizzard
OR
B) Push to do our own thing as the community always has in the past.
LINK TO PETITION, SIGN IT, LETS FIX BW REMASTERED.
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UPDATES : Signature Count : 2
Within minutes there has already been 2 signatures, let's keep them coming.
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i acknowledge that i read this and i wish to declare that i disagree with the body and spirit of this post.
-did not sign
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On May 29 2020 00:14 CHEONSOYUN wrote: i acknowledge that i read this and i wish to declare that i disagree with the body and spirit of this post.
-did not sign Why lol
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I don't think anything will come out of it without good communication with Blizzard, but signed anyway.
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On May 29 2020 00:14 CHEONSOYUN wrote: i acknowledge that i read this and i wish to declare that i disagree with the body and spirit of this post.
-did not sign
You disagree with a 2v2 ladder, a game with menus/UI/friend list that actually work and a hacker free experience?... Okay~
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On May 29 2020 00:30 WGT-Baal wrote: I don't think anything will come out of it without good communication with Blizzard, but signed anyway. I will forward the post to Matt Sherman / Grant once there is enough signatures, also they read TL believe it or not.
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Update : Already 35 Signatures in just a few hours, clearly there is a lot of people who want / need the change. Awesome.
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Petitions have never achieved anything in recent history as of my knowledge, but I still signed. Blizzard really needs to get their shit together. This is ridiculous.
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On May 29 2020 02:17 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2020 00:30 WGT-Baal wrote: I don't think anything will come out of it without good communication with Blizzard, but signed anyway. I will forward the post to Matt Sherman / Grant once there is enough signatures, also they read TL believe it or not. You mention that there is some issues with staffing, yet these two individuals likely cannot do anything about how much staff is on their team.
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On May 29 2020 02:35 blabber wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2020 02:17 GGzerG wrote:On May 29 2020 00:30 WGT-Baal wrote: I don't think anything will come out of it without good communication with Blizzard, but signed anyway. I will forward the post to Matt Sherman / Grant once there is enough signatures, also they read TL believe it or not. You mention that there is some issues with staffing, yet these two individuals likely cannot do anything about how much staff is on their team. Right, well if they cannot fix the issues / introduce the things they said they would, then it is time to move on and start our own ladder again, Fish was better. iCCup was better. PGT was better, every ladder before this was better. I guess I worded that poorly you're right.
EDIT : Half way to the 100 mark, very quickly.
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In real spirit of an online petition, this also will do nothing.
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If it ends up doing nothing, it will at least build more awareness and it will do more than if people did nothing to begin with.
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I play SCR regularly and despite being frustrated every now and then about some things, I don't feel like I am running into any more trouble and frustration than I have with other games in recent years that I've played excessively. Feeling wise I've had a lot less frustration on SCR than other games like LoL or PoE that's I've played a lot. So we aren't even having that many problems in comparison. Just that the fixes are slower. And that's because SCR isn't making nearly enough money to justify adding expensive developers to it. And what we've learned about Blizzard last year, is that what they care most about is China money.
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I don't understand why blizzard removed FISH to begin with. They shouldv'e just hired the FISH or iCCup team as an extension for brood war and they wouldn't have to worry about a thing.
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/f m hey everyone, sign this petition
If we get a decent number of signers, we should get a response from bliz.
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That's what we get for 15 euro, what do you expect? To play thousands of hours worry free on lightning fast servers with no hackers would be unreasonable. Pay a monthly fee of 40 euro or something along those lines and then demand more staff and fixes. I can compare SCR only with CSGO which I played for over 1000 hours a few years back. It was way worse than SCR, it really was, aim hacks, wall hacks, laggy servers, VALVE Antihack was a joke way worse than Blizzard's system, not to mention the childish player base but they were not VALVE's fault at least. And I thought "What do you expect for a 10 dollar game? This is an amazing bargain, 10 dollars for 1000 hours, as good as it gets, quit whining and play if you like it, if you do not - quit." All in all, in SCR it's a better situation imo. I will still sign this petition but if nothing changes I won't be surprised.
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Only option B) can work in theory. I hope they hire more people. All 3rd Party clients will be dead on arrival because Blizzard is still (very slowly) working on the game and supporting the game, it’s not fully dead like it was before remastered. It a huge effort to achieve online player base comparable to the official client, nobody can do that realistically at this stage. If the client stops working altogether or no more updates are coming then there is hope to populate other clients. We always had and still have iccup, still good old 1.16.1 graphics, but since remastered it quickly died out because sc:r gives better player experience.
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On May 29 2020 05:44 MeIIOw wrote: I don't understand why blizzard removed FISH to begin with. They shouldv'e just hired the FISH or iCCup team as an extension for brood war and they wouldn't have to worry about a thing.
blizzard didn't remove fish, they were actively encouraging players to use it for a while, but the people who ran fish never actually got paid by blizzard. Pretty soon their operating costs were not feasible so they had to call it off. It was mostly just a passion project for the people involved with running it and when they had to devote more time and their own money without actually being compensated, it just didn't make sense.
I believe this is the source: https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/527274-october-1st-2017-fish-closure
Here is the direct post: https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26761869
Interesting he mentioned remastered art outsourced to China on page 1.
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On May 29 2020 02:19 chrisolo wrote: Petitions have never achieved anything in recent history as of my knowledge, but I still signed. Blizzard really needs to get their shit together. This is ridiculous.
+1, signed
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, but since remastered it quickly died out because sc:r gives better player experience. I'm probably the minority, but for me it is definitely not a better experience.
I try and play with housemates and friends in other cities and it straight up doesn't work. If one member from my house plays with the others, it's fine, but as soon as there are two people on the same network and someone else on another network, it won't even start. Very frustrating and pretty much killed our momentum to start playing BW again in a big group. Back to Age II for most of us
Same scenario works fine with Gameranger, but it's not as easy to get people over to other clients.
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On May 29 2020 05:45 JoinTheRain wrote: That's what we get for 15 euro, what do you expect? To play thousands of hours worry free on lightning fast servers with no hackers would be unreasonable. Pay a monthly fee of 40 euro or something along those lines and then demand more staff and fixes. I can compare SCR only with CSGO which I played for over 1000 hours a few years back. It was way worse than SCR, it really was, aim hacks, wall hacks, laggy servers, VALVE Antihack was a joke way worse than Blizzard's system, not to mention the childish player base but they were not VALVE's fault at least. And I thought "What do you expect for a 10 dollar game? This is an amazing bargain, 10 dollars for 1000 hours, as good as it gets, quit whining and play if you like it, if you do not - quit." All in all, in SCR it's a better situation imo. I will still sign this petition but if nothing changes I won't be surprised. I think i'd normally agree with you here but this is a different type of game, with StarCraft. It has infinite replay-ability, we have seen more successful ladders / servers ran in the past 20+ years ago, so there is no excuse for this now, no point in arguing...
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you can get any amount of signatures you want, but limited on the player count of right now, and seeying how blizzard is a multinational corporation, it will not be effective. Like storm dropping with 2 high templars a zerg base with 3 drones. in 2017 they remade the graphics of starcraft, of the ladder, and a few fancy tricks, because they intended to bring broodwar back under their control - and they did, because people had fate, after all, who gave is this majestic and all time best game ever? blizzard itself. What we must understand is that the videogame industry has changed. it used to be pirates, rebels and artists running the show, and by show I mean the content and games themselves. they use to have to get lucky, beg corporations, or be savy to find ways and means to get videogames out to the people. In short, like every industry, its the artists that come first, pave the way, show the potential. then come the turists, then come the corporations.
I Envision that there is only one way forward: allow starcraft broodwar to be like say mozilla firefox is, or safari or chrome or browsers: what I mean (I do not know the technical lingo) to allow third parties to provide "add ons", which then every single player can personalize to their own needs, wants and such.
your petition does not ask that. it asks to remove this hacker, and "fix remastered". i' m sorry, we are gonna have to do something better than that, I do not even understand exactly what you are asking blizzard to do: they have shown neither interest nor have they put any effort into doing things for broodwar since their remaster release, and your petition is too generic, emotionally based;
I still appreciate your enthusiasm, care, the effort and time you put in the op, and wanting everything to be better for everybody, but I cannot sign this
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On May 29 2020 07:39 pebble444 wrote: you can get any amount of signatures you want, but limited on the player count of right now, and seeying how blizzard is a multinational corporation, it will not be effective. Like storm dropping with 2 high templars a zerg base with 3 drones. in 2017 they remade the graphics of starcraft, of the ladder, and a few fancy tricks, because they intended to bring broodwar back under their control - and they did, because people had fate, after all, who gave is this majestic and all time best game ever? blizzard itself. What we must understand is that the videogame industry has changed. it used to be pirates, rebels and artists running the show, and by show I mean the content and games themselves. they use to have to get lucky, beg corporations, or be savy to find ways and means to get videogames out to the people. In short, like every industry, its the artists that come first, pave the way, show the potential. then come the turists, then come the corporations.
I Envision that there is only one way forward: allow starcraft broodwar to be like say mozilla firefox is, or safari or chrome or browsers: what I mean (I do not know the technical lingo) to allow third parties to provide "add ons", which then every single player can personalize to their own needs, wants and such.
your petition does not ask that. it asks to remove this hacker, and "fix remastered". i' m sorry, we are gonna have to do something better than that, I do not even understand exactly what you are asking blizzard to do: they have shown neither interest nor have they put any effort into doing things for broodwar since their remaster release, and your petition is too generic, emotionally based;
I still appreciate your enthusiasm, care, the effort and time you put in the op, and wanting everything to be better for everybody, but I cannot sign this I will revise it then, I think more generalized support for their best game play title, maybe not their prime money maker, but obviously it is a big deal to many people, and we can all agree everything could be better. For one, the lag on ladder makes the game unplayable for me and many others i'm pretty sure, which is shit when you actually enjoy playing the game.
And if it was playable it would be a lot more enjoyable.
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On May 29 2020 06:44 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +, but since remastered it quickly died out because sc:r gives better player experience. I'm probably the minority, but for me it is definitely not a better experience. I try and play with housemates and friends in other cities and it straight up doesn't work. If one member from my house plays with the others, it's fine, but as soon as there are two people on the same network and someone else on another network, it won't even start. Very frustrating and pretty much killed our momentum to start playing BW again in a big group. Back to Age II for most of us Same scenario works fine with Gameranger, but it's not as easy to get people over to other clients.
I remember having similar issues (while playing online) with other people in the past. So that doesn't appear to be all that new.
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OK!
Now we have on the ladder something good!
First place: amateur zerg player pCs, 18-3, a very respactable 317 average apm.
He played in 41 Amateur Starleague Season 3, so I guess this is legit 100%
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On May 29 2020 05:45 JoinTheRain wrote: That's what we get for 15 euro, what do you expect? To play thousands of hours worry free on lightning fast servers with no hackers would be unreasonable. Pay a monthly fee of 40 euro or something along those lines and then demand more staff and fixes. I can compare SCR only with CSGO which I played for over 1000 hours a few years back. It was way worse than SCR, it really was, aim hacks, wall hacks, laggy servers, VALVE Antihack was a joke way worse than Blizzard's system, not to mention the childish player base but they were not VALVE's fault at least. And I thought "What do you expect for a 10 dollar game? This is an amazing bargain, 10 dollars for 1000 hours, as good as it gets, quit whining and play if you like it, if you do not - quit." All in all, in SCR it's a better situation imo. I will still sign this petition but if nothing changes I won't be surprised.
But in cs:go you can report and they will look into it. Reported many players and i get pretty many notices that one dude that i've reported has been banned.
Sure there are many hackers in cs:go but they have other leagues with 3rd party programs that have their own antihacks that works pretty good.
What blizzard really fucked up is that they flashed with the 2v2 matchmaking system but never releasing it.
thats a big fat lie to sell copies
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While I can perhaps see the passion behind the petition, I never take things like this seriously. Why? It's so easy to get others to do something but never to do anything yourself. Thus, if the OP were truly serious about this, I would've expected to see efforts like reaching out to the owner of ShieldBattery and see whether the OP can take over and resurrect the project. Or coming up with funds, to help get ShieldBattery going, etc.
Not signed.
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