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Flash's Rax Expand Into Bio Valkyrie Build Order

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SCWes
Profile Joined May 2018
Canada74 Posts
April 13 2020 04:50 GMT
#1
Can find it here

Best viewed at 100% 1920x1080 if you push F11 when viewing it
Geographer
Profile Joined December 2010
United States185 Posts
April 13 2020 05:07 GMT
#2
Why would someone want to copy a losing build order?
xhibit
Profile Joined April 2020
Germany18 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-17 11:50:36
April 13 2020 05:21 GMT
#3
On April 13 2020 14:07 Geographer wrote:
Why would someone want to copy a losing build order?

Well it showed very clear efficacy in the games even though he lost
SCWes
Profile Joined May 2018
Canada74 Posts
April 13 2020 05:25 GMT
#4
On April 13 2020 14:07 Geographer wrote:
Why would someone want to copy a losing build order?


He won 2/3 games he did it on.
xhibit
Profile Joined April 2020
Germany18 Posts
April 13 2020 05:28 GMT
#5
Americans...
xhibit
Profile Joined April 2020
Germany18 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-17 11:51:13
April 13 2020 05:28 GMT
#6
Honsetly the games against ZerO were to be expected with the anti-Terran mappool
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-13 07:27:56
April 13 2020 07:20 GMT
#7
Valks are cool. Should be used more often. However from my testing there is a dmg cap of valks volley. I dont know exact formulae though.
-.-
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
April 13 2020 07:28 GMT
#8
Cool build order. Just a question who writes down all the build order ?
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SCWes
Profile Joined May 2018
Canada74 Posts
April 13 2020 07:41 GMT
#9
On April 13 2020 16:28 Sawamura wrote:
Cool build order. Just a question who writes down all the build order ?

Me
Katkishka
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States658 Posts
April 13 2020 08:05 GMT
#10
Neat, thank you. I'll be trying this out on ladder when I can.
craz3d
Profile Joined August 2005
Bulgaria856 Posts
April 13 2020 08:16 GMT
#11
The casters kept saying Flash came up with it, but I remember Fantasy doing this before SC2, hell it might have even been called the Fantasy build...
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StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1653 Posts
April 13 2020 08:26 GMT
#12
The build is great, but it wasn't the best of the days to Flash micro. And Artosis just said he refined it so the defense and push timing could be viable could be viable... Come on guys, no hate or fake news :|
Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany912 Posts
April 13 2020 09:21 GMT
#13
On April 13 2020 17:16 craz3d wrote:
The casters kept saying Flash came up with it, but I remember Fantasy doing this before SC2, hell it might have even been called the Fantasy build...

Maybe you should check your history, the Fantasy build did mech with valks. This is bio with valks.
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Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-13 09:38:26
April 13 2020 09:37 GMT
#14
On April 13 2020 14:07 Geographer wrote:
Why would someone want to copy a losing build order?

Good thinking! It’s better to use only build orders with which nobody has ever lost.

Edit: Yeah Fantasy was doing a little bit of bio+valk late in the KeSpA days.
May the BeSt man win.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12041 Posts
April 13 2020 10:17 GMT
#15
On April 13 2020 18:21 Cryoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2020 17:16 craz3d wrote:
The casters kept saying Flash came up with it, but I remember Fantasy doing this before SC2, hell it might have even been called the Fantasy build...

Maybe you should check your history, the Fantasy build did mech with valks. This is bio with valks.


He also did Valks with bio - you even wrote down the build order here: (Wiki)User:Cryoc/Valkonic

This was the original version of it though: (Wiki)Iloveoov Fake Mech

There were some variations where people would go Goliath/Bio as well (I think all from SKT, including FanTaSy) which is what we see from FlaSh now. Sorry bought it back a few months ago and used it in some online tournaments and it appears FlaSh has been iterating on that.
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8898 Posts
April 13 2020 10:38 GMT
#16
No need to be rude! Thanks for doing this SCWes, even if I am not terran.
Maybe for terran players this will be good. You don't face Zero on the ladder, but most probably a less skilful player, so you have a better chance! Good luck !
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10737 Posts
April 13 2020 11:08 GMT
#17
I really don't think this is a new build order, it is a build FlaSh optimized, but it is not something we have never seen before as Castle stated, FantaSy would use Valkyries a lot back in the day. it is the fastest most optimized version of the Valkyrie + bio push build with Goliaths support. Regardless, thanks for your work with the build orders laid out so well
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Moridin
Profile Joined December 2009
Bulgaria167 Posts
April 13 2020 12:41 GMT
#18
Not sure if the build is completely the same but Flash used it before (SPL/MSL/OSL times) somewhat often when mixing it up. Interesting fact when I watched the semis is that I believe Zero should be the one expecting it from Flash.
You can check NukeTheStars (amazing channel btw) youtube vods on the MSL Final between Flash and Zero, where Flash owned him two games with same strategy which was not played much by Flash at that times, that is why it was surprising, same way as current games.

Final games between the two from MSL 2011 finals:



As a 15+ years fan of Flash who watched 95%+ of his games I saw Flash streamed matches just before the semi final and he was struggling a lot with his 2 barracks and teching build mainly on map 1 & 3 hence had this tickling feeling he will go with the valkyries again however he made uncharacteristic mistakes particularly in game2 with his goliath/bio build, well deserved and happy for Zero.
It's about time.
SCWes
Profile Joined May 2018
Canada74 Posts
April 13 2020 12:50 GMT
#19
On April 13 2020 21:41 Moridin wrote:
Not sure if the build is completely the same but Flash used it before (SPL/MSL/OSL times) somewhat often when mixing it up. Interesting fact when I watched the semis is that I believe Zero should be the one expecting it from Flash.
You can check NukeTheStars (amazing channel btw) youtube vods on the MSL Final between Flash and Zero, where Flash owned him two games with same strategy which was not played much by Flash at that times, that is why it was surprising, same way as current games.

Final games between the two from MSL 2011 finals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3WYPcpetzg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgi8DGqn9_c

As a 15+ years fan of Flash who watched 95%+ of his games I saw Flash streamed matches just before the semi final and he was struggling a lot with his 2 barracks and teching build mainly on map 1 & 3 hence had this tickling feeling he will go with the valkyries again however he made uncharacteristic mistakes particularly in game2 with his goliath/bio build, well deserved and happy for Zero.


Damn, I really miss NukeTheStars.
JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria409 Posts
April 13 2020 16:35 GMT
#20
On April 13 2020 13:50 SCWes wrote:
Can find it here

Best viewed at 100% 1920x1080 if you push F11 when viewing it


Thank you for the effort. Much appreciated.
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