The build is great, but it wasn't the best of the days to Flash micro. And Artosis just said he refined it so the defense and push timing could be viable could be viable... Come on guys, no hate or fake news :|

Cryoc

Germany894 Posts

April 13 2020 09:21 GMT

#13

On April 13 2020 17:16 craz3d wrote:
The casters kept saying Flash came up with it, but I remember Fantasy doing this before SC2, hell it might have even been called the Fantasy build...

Maybe you should check your history, the Fantasy build did mech with valks. This is bio with valks.

Djabanete

United States2509 Posts

April 13 2020 09:37 GMT

#14

On April 13 2020 14:07 Geographer wrote:
Why would someone want to copy a losing build order?

Good thinking! It’s better to use only build orders with which nobody has ever lost.

Edit: Yeah Fantasy was doing a little bit of bio+valk late in the KeSpA days.

Qikz

United Kingdom11810 Posts

April 13 2020 10:17 GMT

#15

On April 13 2020 18:21 Cryoc wrote:

Show nested quote +

Maybe you should check your history, the Fantasy build did mech with valks. This is bio with valks.

He also did Valks with bio - you even wrote down the build order here: (Wiki)

User:Cryoc/Valkonic

This was the original version of it though: (Wiki)

Iloveoov Fake Mech

There were some variations where people would go Goliath/Bio as well (I think all from SKT, including FanTaSy) which is what we see from FlaSh now. Sorry bought it back a few months ago and used it in some online tournaments and it appears FlaSh has been iterating on that.

prosatan

Romania5099 Posts

April 13 2020 10:38 GMT

#16

No need to be rude! Thanks for doing this SCWes, even if I am not terran.
Maybe for terran players this will be good. You don't face Zero on the ladder, but most probably a less skilful player, so you have a better chance! Good luck !

TelecoM

United States10518 Posts

April 13 2020 11:08 GMT

#17

I really don't think this is a new build order, it is a build FlaSh optimized, but it is not something we have never seen before as Castle stated, FantaSy would use Valkyries a lot back in the day. it is the fastest most optimized version of the Valkyrie + bio push build with Goliaths support. Regardless, thanks for your work with the build orders laid out so well

Moridin

Bulgaria159 Posts

April 13 2020 12:41 GMT

#18

Not sure if the build is completely the same but Flash used it before (SPL/MSL/OSL times) somewhat often when mixing it up. Interesting fact when I watched the semis is that I believe Zero should be the one expecting it from Flash.
You can check NukeTheStars (amazing channel btw) youtube vods on the MSL Final between Flash and Zero, where Flash owned him two games with same strategy which was not played much by Flash at that times, that is why it was surprising, same way as current games.

Final games between the two from MSL 2011 finals:

As a 15+ years fan of Flash who watched 95%+ of his games I saw Flash streamed matches just before the semi final and he was struggling a lot with his 2 barracks and teching build mainly on map 1 & 3 hence had this tickling feeling he will go with the valkyries again however he made uncharacteristic mistakes particularly in game2 with his goliath/bio build, well deserved and happy for Zero.

SCWes

Canada74 Posts

April 13 2020 12:50 GMT

#19

On April 13 2020 21:41 Moridin wrote:
Not sure if the build is completely the same but Flash used it before (SPL/MSL/OSL times) somewhat often when mixing it up. Interesting fact when I watched the semis is that I believe Zero should be the one expecting it from Flash.
You can check NukeTheStars (amazing channel btw) youtube vods on the MSL Final between Flash and Zero, where Flash owned him two games with same strategy which was not played much by Flash at that times, that is why it was surprising, same way as current games.

Final games between the two from MSL 2011 finals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3WYPcpetzg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgi8DGqn9_c

As a 15+ years fan of Flash who watched 95%+ of his games I saw Flash streamed matches just before the semi final and he was struggling a lot with his 2 barracks and teching build mainly on map 1 & 3 hence had this tickling feeling he will go with the valkyries again however he made uncharacteristic mistakes particularly in game2 with his goliath/bio build, well deserved and happy for Zero.

Damn, I really miss NukeTheStars.

JoinTheRain

Bulgaria276 Posts

April 13 2020 16:35 GMT

#20

On April 13 2020 13:50 SCWes wrote:
Can find it here

Best viewed at 100% 1920x1080 if you push F11 when viewing it

Thank you for the effort.