• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:51
CEST 19:51
KST 02:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-69SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-64PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)14
StarCraft 2
General
SC4ALL: II Talent Announcement! Protoss AoE skill expression August World Ranking: Clem climbs to #2 Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Serral wins HomeStory Cup 29
Tourneys
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 538 Media Blackout The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion How FlaSh Nearly Forfeited MSL Finals being late BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Are you ready for ASL 22? NEW HYPE VIDEO BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3 Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo 2 thread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Iain M Banks Says He Has Cancer And Months To Live European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Are High-Level Gamers more A…
TrAiDoS
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3444 users

Suggestion Top vs Bottom Starting Location change

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-27 23:38:32
July 27 2017 23:37 GMT
#1
So I know the 2vs2 scene is not as big in BW, but I still think it is a fun game mode. Currently however it is has its own share of problems. There are only 2 standard teams TZ and PZ. ZZ is considered imbalanced. With Remastered coming out and hopefully a 2v2 ladder, I hope there is a fix to this issue, because I want to play TP or PP or ZZ without having to worry too much about the advantages/disadvantages of the match-up.

So this is where we can take inspiration from other RTS games like wc3 and sc2. Starting locations where allies spawn close to each other. Currently Top vs Bottom game mode just fully randomizes the starting location and the only way to have fixed location is through the game mode UMS. Having an option to fix spawning position for a team might help fixing the above mentioned issues.

Poll: Adding the option to fix team spawning location?

Yes (19)
 
79%

Stfu noob! Dont touch my BW! (5)
 
21%

24 total votes

Your vote: Adding the option to fix team spawning location?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): Stfu noob! Dont touch my BW!


aka Kalevi
Bonyth
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland611 Posts
July 27 2017 23:57 GMT
#2
Actually I think it's a great idea. Wouldn't touch 1v1 balance, as it's sacred (not even exaggerating).

You have my scarab.
fernsehen123
Profile Joined September 2022
5 Posts
September 14 2022 14:06 GMT
#3
Yes, it's definitely a good idea.
Currently you can just build maps with "Use map settings" that have fixed spawns
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3513 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-14 15:39:24
September 14 2022 15:38 GMT
#4
It would be great for a few maps, not all of them like sc2.

I m actually curious how it would impact the various MUs and we (bwcl) would be happy to trial a few, as long as it s not UMS. Mayne shield battery could handle it?
Horang2 fan
benno1988
Profile Joined April 2020
30 Posts
September 14 2022 17:26 GMT
#5
i love it too. spawning close to allies is nice.
i like this map most for shared base play
www.panschk.de
Hitokiri3
Profile Joined October 2018
18 Posts
September 19 2022 04:15 GMT
#6
Maps with closer spawn for allies exist but only work in UMS mode
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3513 Posts
September 19 2022 07:19 GMT
#7
On September 19 2022 13:15 Hitokiri3 wrote:
Maps with closer spawn for allies exist but only work in UMS mode


Which is a big no-no for competitive leagues, potential for abuse is way too high
Horang2 fan
Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines758 Posts
September 19 2022 07:23 GMT
#8
is ZZ considered imbalanced because its too good or too bad? i don't play 2s much so idk
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
benno1988
Profile Joined April 2020
30 Posts
September 19 2022 09:35 GMT
#9
On September 19 2022 16:19 WGT-Baal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2022 13:15 Hitokiri3 wrote:
Maps with closer spawn for allies exist but only work in UMS mode


Which is a big no-no for competitive leagues, potential for abuse is way too high


in theory you could have an arbiter/admin host the map.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The Patches Monday
16:00
#2
RotterdaM818
TaKeTV 320
TKL 266
IndyStarCraft 183
SteadfastSC150
ZombieGrub32
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 818
TKL 256
IndyStarCraft 185
SteadfastSC 150
MaxPax 107
UpATreeSC 100
ProTech81
BRAT_OK 76
ZombieGrub32
StarCraft: Brood War
Soulkey 686
BeSt 357
ggaemo 159
actioN 135
soO 94
Hyun 48
Sharp 30
scan(afreeca) 29
Hm[arnc] 26
HiyA 16
[ Show more ]
ajuk12(nOOB) 13
Dota 2
qojqva2695
Counter-Strike
x6flipin949
edward70
Other Games
Grubby1732
singsing1463
FrodaN976
Beastyqt620
ArmadaUGS212
ceh9201
Hui .171
C9.Mang0125
QueenE72
MindelVK3
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 43
• Shameless 26
• Reevou 6
• intothetv
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki15
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV832
League of Legends
• Jankos1662
• Nemesis1644
• imaqtpie1520
• TFBlade752
• Shiphtur501
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
16h 9m
PiG Sty Festival
18h 9m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 15h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 17h
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Rush vs Hm
Bisu vs Shuttle
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
The Patches Monday
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-09
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
Proleague 2026-08-10
RSL Revival: Season 6
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W7
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
META DYMY #4
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.