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On January 24 2007 08:44 Ace wrote:
Replace Casy with Xellos circa 2003 and I think the picture becomes clearer. He won a very memorable OSL by beating an in-shape Yellow in a Game 5 clifffhanger. He was already dubbed Perfect for having no weak matchups and was a killer of big names like Boxer and Oov. He won, and then dropped off with many group exits or semi final appearances for the rest of his career in both MSL and OSL. However, he DID win that one championship. Would you trade that for consistently placing 2nd?
I think Xellos is actually an example of a player who isn't particularly well-looked-upon these days despite having won an OSL (at least in the non-Korean progaming fan scene).
A single isolated win with no other success isn't necessarily better than non-winning consistency - Sync isn't more popular or famous than Yellow.
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There's
- Merits: Titles weigh in more heavily than consistency here.
- Exposure: Consistency yeilds more exposure, which ought to mean you get more fans and money.
- Charisma: Even if you win matches, titles and shit, you won't get very popular or make a lot of money if you lack charisma. (sense of star)
- Quality: How you actually achieve your wins and your style of playing. (sense of star)
I'd probably take consistency since I'd put the emo boring koreans to shame, and get all the bitches and dough!
Oh, and Mani made a good point. Sync who? (He has one title and only did well for like 1 year, then nothing. Plus he shaved of his powerfuzz  )
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I'd rather have 1 OSL win than many 2nd-3rd places
And who the hell would trade an OSL win for anything less?
o.O
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I would just say that at the end of the day its all about your cash flow. These top players who havent won an OSL are still TOP. They know in their hearts they can compete. Starcraft is just a tumultous platform for competition, you cant always win even if you are next to invincible. 1 OSL win in the grand scheme seems kind of inconsequential to getting a bunch of top 4 finishes, to me. People know who Yellow is, people barely remember Sync. Even Anytime, Casy and Xellos IMO dont come to mind as notable OSL finishers because the finals they won simply werent that noteworthy and they only have won once.
The only thing seperating them from sync RIGHT NOW is that they are still managing to qualify for leagues. So you see one of them and go "oh starleague winner." But seriously if they drop off then its just over for them and no one will give a shit that at one point on some imbalanced gay ass maps(Because OSL maps always are) they managed to overcome what was most likely a stacked as fuck final.
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is awesome32280 Posts
Anyone not voting for midas is clearly gay
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On January 24 2007 08:43 gravity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2007 08:04 Cpt Obvious wrote:
anybody remember the second man on the moon without google'ing him?
Buzz Aldrin. He once punched a conspiracy theorist (of the "moon landing was a hoax" type) in public  .
Which proves that public scandal > 2:nd place when it comes to getting remembered. 
I was about to vote, but
On January 22 2007 13:55 Hot_Bid wrote:
By "which would you rather have" i mean "which would you think is a bigger accomplishment" rather than which would you personally rather have.
made me confused...
If you are asking for the bigger accomplishment, why would you formulate the question "which would you rather have"?
I'd prefer a win personally, but three second places, of 16 or 32 players, says a lot more about skill than one single win and two results in the bottom half.
And yes, I do say that luck is involved in who wins a tournament, as in all games... it IS possible to pull of a win versus better players. Otherwise how come Savior isn't 100% for example?
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I think the only reason people know about Yellow is because he was an original progamer and has been around for so long, not because of his consistency. People who know Yellow don't necessarily know Goodfriend. I'd personally take one major glory win over consistency. And Sync's win is only overlooked IMO because of the unfortunate timing.
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No one remembers the runners up.
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every second place would mean the most consistent pro ever not bad, may be even better than 1 win
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the first poll evens out for me , meaning i don't prefer one over the other unless...
all depends in the game play displayed ; i could pick '3 third places' if the player playes like boxer,nal_ra,savior.... vs a turtling 1place
i voted july , distinction is made based on skill level ; july is where yellow cant get
the last question has no sense ; if i won an osl title its mine , i cant trade it for something else even if i wanted to
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
IMO the reason yellow was so popular was becasue he had a rivalry with lim yo;;
rivalry = most fame imo
ie the current rivalry is savior/ra, although both are accomplished players...
there are many miniture or lesser known rivalrys.. like savior/midas, sotrk/iris, sea/canata, puasn/midas, oov/savior, nada/much, nada/savior, goodfriend/midas, stork/reach,,,,
rivarlies are what pull lots of people to watch certain games, usually spawned from when a lesser known player beats a better known player a couple times, then other player wins again etc.. or when one of the players is in awesome form, and is stopped by a player..
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No one fucking cares about junwi :[
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Ok,say if anytime never got into any OSL after he won won. You'd still know who Goodfriend is, but you'd soon forget about Anytime.
3 seconds vs 1 win.
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Braavos36402 Posts
iirc GF has only been in one finals
and we remember GF because he fucking is boring and consistently doesn't win, not because we're impressed with his X number of qualifications in a row
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It's kinda pointless , these polls I mean. It's obvious to me that everyone wants to be a winner, and its the same case with progaming.
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United States20666 Posts
On January 25 2007 10:26 Hot_Bid wrote:
iirc GF has only been in one finals
and we remember GF because he fucking is boring and consistently doesn't win, not because we're impressed with his X number of qualifications in a row
he wins enough. I like him, for one. TheMarine was the better KTF Terran though, more awesome by far.
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Braavos36402 Posts
*he consistently doesnt win titles
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On January 25 2007 07:40 QuietIdiot wrote:
No one fucking cares about junwi :[
No finals, One semi. You wonder why? Fuckn Idiot.
Another example is Zeus, many SLs, one title.
But to defend Xellos a bit, he was constantly strong for a very long time. Some of you dismiss him as if he was on fire for just one OSL, you couldn't be more wrong.
I wish people would assess things more objectively when raggin on players and be as subjective as you want in your praises.
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
Just an fyi. YellOw actually has only 2 OSL seconds(lost vs BoxeR, XellOs), and so does July (lost vs NaDa, Oov).
His "many" 2nd places come from other leagues like KPGA/MSL, GhemTV (I think), etc
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