• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:41
CEST 18:41
KST 01:41
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 1 - Final Week8[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0
Community News
Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission re-extension4Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation17
StarCraft 2
General
Heaven's Balance Suggestions (roast me) Magnus Carlsen and Fabi review Clem's chess game. Who will win EWC 2025? Why doesnt SC2 scene costream tournaments RSL Season 1 - Final Week
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo)
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Corsair Pursuit Micro? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Pro gamer house photos Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET The Casual Games of the Week Thread BWCL Season 63 Announcement
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 802 users

Sonic's message about Monkey3 and SSL9

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
lemmata
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
468 Posts
December 24 2013 21:51 GMT
#1
I have posted a quick and dirty translation of Sonic's message below. There's been a lot interest in what happened...

It seems that sponsors wanted Sonic to force something unreasonable on the viewers. It also seems that a contract had been signed and was voided by mutual agreement when Sonic refused to accept the changes proposed by Monkey3.

Also, Sonic seems massively depressed about this and some of the Internet trolls are not helping. Kim Carrier half-jokingly said on the earlier pro league broadcast that Sonic had a mental breakdown. I really feel sorry for our Brood War hero. I have put some of the more interesting parts in bold face and added some translation notes (T/N) as well.

Hello everyone, this is Sonic.
There have been many personally distressing events lately.

I must be the deliverer of sad news.

Due to the breakdown of the contract with Monkey3, which had been slated to be the sponsor of SSL9, the size and schedule of SSL9 may need to be partially modified.

After the contracting the sponsorship, I had been making arrangements for the group selection ceremony in preparation for SSL9. Yesterday evening, Monkey3 requested that we change the content of our contract. After failing to come to a mutual agreement on the requested changes, both parties agreed to annul the contract today. (T/N: We know that the contract was signed already because it needed to be annulled)

Although I did everything to continue with the league sponsorship, I determined that it was too unreasonable for me to impose the new conditions proposed by Monkey3 on you---the viewers. This was the biggest reason for the decision to void the contract.

I must apologize to the players and fans who had been anticipating and waiting. I will start over, beginning with the task of finding a new sponsor. I know that this must be a huge let down for the players and fans, but it is even worse for me, who had been putting in the work on all the details from A-Z; I feel as if the sky has fallen.

For the last few months, I had been spending time away from my business to run around all over the place preparing the information to present to the sponsors. Those of you with real world experience probably understand the difficulty and stress involved in business-to-business meetings, especially in the case when you are an "ul" trying to get business from a "gab" (T/N: "ul" and "gab" are Korean expressions for two parties in a negotiation, where "gab" has all the power and "ul" is at his mercy). You can imagine how much I wanted to proceed as planned with the league given that the sponsorship contract had been attained after having countless meetings over the phone and in person with tens of firms. However, the proposed changes were just too much.

Regardless of the reason, it is ultimately my fault that the plans for the league have been disrupted. I will not ask you to lend me your strength, but please, at least within the confines of my channel, avoid doing things that make me lose the will to go on.

I am saying this because of some things that keep on being written in the stream chat and on the channel bulletin board. I don't know if you will believe me, but there is more to the cost of running SSL than just the prize money. This was true in SSL7 and SSL8. I have been using the entirety of the sponsorship money, regardless of its source, on running the league. In fact, I had to spend an additional $37000 and $33000 on SSL7 and SSL8, respectively. I do not feel like I am sacrificing anything because I want to run and enjoy this league for the game I love. I have never said on my channel that I am sacrificing myself for others.

Some people on various online communities and Afreeca have been saying things that make me cringe, such as "Sonic sure talks a lot for someone who wants to make money on Afreeca" (T/N: As we many Korean sentences, there are many implicit parts here, but it seems that some vocal minority keeps saying that Sonic is too boastful of his contributions to BW for someone who just wants to make a quick buck). It might be an overreaction to the kind words of some fans who view my efforts positively. Some of the exaggerations may be resulting in blowback. :-(

I will take the responsibility and proceed with the league this time. No matter who our sponsor ultimately turns out to be, your passionate interest is needed. I wanted to show the world that Starcraft: Brood War is not yet dead and that it can still attract classy sponsors by attracting a sponsor other than my own company (Shinbalfarm).

I will put my full effort into this and definitely make it a fantastic success.

I will start over from the beginning. I am sorry for being the bearer of bad news.

PS: Monkey3 has agreed to refund those of you who made purchases using the coupon number on my previous announcement notice. If you have not received a refund and cancellation by the next month, please let me know. I will take the responsibility of making sure that you do not lose a single cent.
Kittan
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland3999 Posts
December 24 2013 22:02 GMT
#2
This is sad news. But I know that Sonic has the fortitude to keep the dreadnaught plowing on.

Sonic hwaiting!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81288 <--- How I fell in love with a man, a team, a game and a website in a single day... | "There are no false gods, there is only the Emperor, and Choi Yun Sung is his prophet." -> Zona 40k
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
December 24 2013 22:12 GMT
#3
Horrible news...what did Monkey3 want?
Sonic fighting! You have the support of everyone <3
"Appreciate the things you have before they become the things you had."
Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
December 24 2013 22:13 GMT
#4
Thanks for the translation. Let's all... Idk. What do we even do. Should we make like worldwide colaboration cheerful vid? Does anyone do art around here?
En Taro Violet
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9500 Posts
December 24 2013 22:19 GMT
#5
We should definitely do something to cheer up Sonic :/
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
December 24 2013 22:24 GMT
#6
Too bad, I was really looking forward to it.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
December 24 2013 22:31 GMT
#7
I was really looking forward to SSL9 God damnit Monkey3, why now when it's getting so close? Does anyone know what changes they wanted? It must be something big if Sonic cancelled so that the viewers aren't involved. Either way, I was also really surprised at how much more he was spending for each one. All those internet trolls aren't helping his case.

On December 25 2013 07:19 2Pacalypse- wrote:
We should definitely do something to cheer up Sonic :/

this 10000%. What can we do? Anyone have any ideas? It has to be big to keep his motivation up considering that message was depressing as hell.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
L3gendary
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1470 Posts
December 24 2013 22:42 GMT
#8
wow that sucks big time. I hope he can find another sponsor, I think there's enough interest to attract it so hopefully it's just a matter of time.
Watching Jaedong play purifies my eyes. -Coach Ju Hoon
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9500 Posts
December 24 2013 22:44 GMT
#9
On December 25 2013 07:31 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2013 07:19 2Pacalypse- wrote:
We should definitely do something to cheer up Sonic :/

this 10000%. What can we do? Anyone have any ideas? It has to be big to keep his motivation up considering that message was depressing as hell.

I disagree that it has to be "big" to show our appreciation for what he does. Even just sending him some flowers with a thoughtful note would mean a lot to him I'm sure.
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
December 24 2013 22:53 GMT
#10
On December 25 2013 07:44 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2013 07:31 BigFan wrote:
On December 25 2013 07:19 2Pacalypse- wrote:
We should definitely do something to cheer up Sonic :/

this 10000%. What can we do? Anyone have any ideas? It has to be big to keep his motivation up considering that message was depressing as hell.

I disagree that it has to be "big" to show our appreciation for what he does. Even just sending him some flowers with a thoughtful note would mean a lot to him I'm sure.

well, not "big" but at least show him that he still got the support from the foreign BW scene. It was TL that helped him last time he was thinking of quitting due to the whole match fixing stuff that was going around. At least that's what I recall reading.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
December 24 2013 22:54 GMT
#11
Ugh, terrible news
Sonic/SSL fighting!
T P Z sagi
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
December 24 2013 23:59 GMT
#12
Noo... I don't know how to react to this...
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
December 25 2013 00:08 GMT
#13
Maybe we should do an e-book for him or something. What I mean is that, something like was done for DRG in SCII where fans wrote encouraging messages and such then they were printed, made into a book and given to them. It doesn't have to just be words, you can draw a picture in paint or on paper and scan it etc... After that, someone can send them to him through email or the better way is to have someone who's currently living in Korea print, bind and give it to him in person. It would be something that he can always look back on if there are further issues in the future. What do you guys think?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Muff2n
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom250 Posts
December 25 2013 00:17 GMT
#14
I had no idea that he was ploughing so much $$$ into the production. He deserves some gesture.
Hoender
Profile Joined March 2011
South Africa381 Posts
December 25 2013 00:22 GMT
#15
Another one of these maybe?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=388087
Die ou swepe sê: "daar's 'n raat vir elke kwaal," maar watse pil kou jy as die donker jou kom haal?
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
December 25 2013 00:43 GMT
#16
On December 25 2013 09:22 Hoender wrote:
Another one of these maybe?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=388087

ya, that's what I was thinking as well(above post)
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
shizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia127 Posts
December 25 2013 00:48 GMT
#17
Some people might be uncomfortable with this but just throwing it out there; we could get people to take a picture of themselves with a little sign that says something along the lines of "go sonic" or "bw forever" etc and maybe put what country we are from as well. Putting a face to the gratitude being expressed as well as letting sonic know his contributions are felt so far and wide around the world would be a massive boost imo.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
December 25 2013 00:49 GMT
#18
On December 25 2013 09:48 shizzz wrote:
Some people might be uncomfortable with this but just throwing it out there; we could get people to take a picture of themselves with a little sign that says something along the lines of "go sonic" or "bw forever" etc and maybe put what country we are from as well. Putting a face to the gratitude being expressed as well as letting sonic know his contributions are felt so far and wide around the world would be a massive boost imo.


Sweet, an actual reason to take selfies w/o looking pretentious!
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
December 25 2013 00:57 GMT
#19
On December 25 2013 09:49 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2013 09:48 shizzz wrote:
Some people might be uncomfortable with this but just throwing it out there; we could get people to take a picture of themselves with a little sign that says something along the lines of "go sonic" or "bw forever" etc and maybe put what country we are from as well. Putting a face to the gratitude being expressed as well as letting sonic know his contributions are felt so far and wide around the world would be a massive boost imo.


Sweet, an actual reason to take selfies w/o looking pretentious!

agree, not a bad idea imo.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50119 Posts
December 25 2013 01:42 GMT
#20
God damn it.....
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 17h 19m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mcanning 327
BRAT_OK 105
UpATreeSC 92
StarCraft: Brood War
Flash 3801
Jaedong 2340
Barracks 2244
Mini 1085
EffOrt 1021
BeSt 659
Soma 581
Stork 483
firebathero 368
Snow 306
[ Show more ]
Larva 281
Zeus 245
Free 144
Hyun 111
Mind 106
Rush 101
Sharp 53
TY 51
soO 41
Shine 33
zelot 32
Shinee 29
Movie 26
sorry 23
scan(afreeca) 21
Terrorterran 16
SilentControl 9
ivOry 4
Dota 2
canceldota88
League of Legends
Dendi1414
Counter-Strike
ScreaM1486
flusha188
allub154
fl0m43
Other Games
FrodaN1684
Beastyqt619
ceh9383
KnowMe126
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 40
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki39
• FirePhoenix2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3076
• WagamamaTV698
League of Legends
• Nemesis5376
• TFBlade745
Other Games
• Shiphtur321
Upcoming Events
Esports World Cup
17h 19m
ByuN vs Astrea
Lambo vs HeRoMaRinE
Clem vs TBD
Solar vs Zoun
SHIN vs Reynor
Maru vs TriGGeR
herO vs Lancer
Cure vs ShoWTimE
Esports World Cup
1d 17h
Esports World Cup
2 days
Esports World Cup
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
5 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
FEL
5 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
5 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
6 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.