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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 17:36:20
February 13 2012 20:16 GMT
#1
It's time to make another plug for TL Mafia with my 3k post (I actually remember how to make a thread this time!). If you haven't played a game in the past, you should definitely give it a try. It may be time consuming, but its worth it. Mafia is a game of continuous learning, so I'll go over the games I've played in during my most recent set of 1k posts and reflect on an important theme that came out of the game.

My previous posts can be found here if you're really bored :p

1k Post
2k Post

Lord of the Rings Mafia
Role: The Witch-King, Lord of the Nazgul, Mafia Roleblocker

Lesson Learned: Don't be afraid to take a risk as scum, but consider the consequences

Passivity is one of the leading reasons why scum teams come up short. They sit back, choosing their spots to push a lynch, and then by the time day three or four rolls around, they're stuck defending a poor track record and a lack of contribution. The easiest way to survive a lynch, is to stop town from considering you in the first place. When people continuously start bringing up your name, others are much more likely to take a better look at what you've done. Plenty of times players are considered town because "scum would never do something like that". Well why aren't more mafia teams doing things that wouldn't be expected of them.

In this game, I went with a silly tracker claim on day three to out chaoser as the serial killer. I accused chaoser of shooting last night with the tracker claim. We had a strong sk read on chaoser based on his posting and the fact that he took a hit. Worst case scenario is that we're wrong, he denies the hit, and I admit that I'm not really a tracker and that I was trying to simply trap him into claiming a hit. Instead, we're able to out an anti-town threat and I've got a blue result that I couldn't possibly have guessed otherwise.

It's important to take into account the long-term situation, however. In retrospect, I think the claim was one day too early. After the claim, we were forced to bury the roleblocks in the scum hits, since I was forced to provide a reason why I was still alive. Additionally, we didn't take into account that even though the serial killer was outed, town didn't necessarily want to kill him off immediately. This really came back to haunt us when chaoser became town aligned due to the theme of the game. The tracker claim bought me a few days, but after a while, it became a burden, forcing me into another fake claim (pm logs), and eventually my death.

Pick Your Power Interesting!
Role: Role Swapper, House of York

Lesson Learned: PMs are incredibly town favored

I've played in several PM games in the past, but only one other time as scum. People will argue that PMs are mafia favored due to their ability to plant ideas or fish for roles, but that is only under the assumption that the town isn't as skilled. A real time conversation as mafia is incredibly difficult. You're forced to give up reads on the spot, without time to write up a carefully written and reviewed post. It is much more likely to scum slip, simply due to the amount of information being revealed.

Here is an example:
This game I'm scum buddies with sandroba. We've spent some time chatting in scum irc.

Kavdragon approaches me on day one wanted to chat. He asks me if I've talked to sandroba yet. Sandroba wasn't online at the time so I have no idea how to respond. Kav has likely asked sandroba the same question and if I respond incorrectly, we're both outed as scum. I can't wait for the real answer because the chat is in real time. Luckily, I managed to respond correctly, but it would have been a huge blunder if I was wrong. With PMs, the scum team is forced to plan for situations like these, which can be incredibly difficult.

Team Melee Mini Mafia - Couples Therapy
Role: Parity Cop

Lesson Learned: Even though you know you're town, you still have to prove it to others

This is a pretty common problem for townies. You know your own alignment, so any case against you can't possibly be valid. However, you still are required to show others that you have the town's best interest in mind on day one, else you're going to wind up in trouble down the road.

This game I remember making a specific comment that I knew might get me in trouble. It was a mini game, so I posted a town list, leaving the two scum in a pool of 5 teams. I was extremely confident that my list was correct and posted it thinking that it doesn't matter what others think of me, its likely the truth. I ended up getting crucified by town and scum alike and was forced into a role claim. Things happened to work out in the end, but this certainly wasn't the ideal situation and I should have worked harder on day one to establish my pro-town intentions.

TL Mafia XLVII
Role: Vanilla Townie

Lesson Learned: An 80 person game is probably not the brightest of ideas

There were good intentions to this game, hoping to revitalize the player-base with a huge game, but in reality this game turned into a giant headache. Town players are always more likely to get modkilled because they don't feel the same connection that scum buddies have. The mafia team pitied the town so badly that they offered a draw midway through the game.

Responsibility Mafia
Role: Mafia roleblocker

Lesson Learned: Communication is the single most important skill when playing as mafia.

This game was interesting since we had a scum team made up of three distinctive playstyles. L and bugs prefer to push mafia objectives, syllo prefers to play a careful, conservative game, staying out of trouble early, and I prefer to play a pro-town approach, setting myself up for late game. However, if everyone has different goals in mind, things are going to turn ugly if everyone isn't on the same page. On day three, things really went bad when L attempted to push a mislynch, I opposed L, and syllo missed the boat on both sides. We really should done a better job talking things over. Several of ours hits and night actions were submitted or changed at the last moment since we hadn't adequately discussed them in irc. A scum team without an irc channel will almost always fail. Due to poor planning, the game barely fell out of our grasp and I suffered my first lynch in 24 games.

TL Mafia L
Role: Medic

Lesson Learned: Different games require different approaches to scum hunting.

L was another large game, though slightly more manageable with 50 players. Normally on day one, I'll try to town hunt. Those who don't make the list I consider as lynch candidates the following day. If a certain player appears exceptionally scummy on day one, I'll push them, but usually that isn't my priority. In this game, however, this strategy wasn't very feasible. The amount of players in the game was too large to create an effective list of scum candidates by this method. The amount of time I was putting in wasn't giving me the results I wanted. Sure, I had a quality list of 20 town players, but that is of little use when there are 30 other players that could possibly be scum.

Thanks to everyone that makes the games so awesome to play. See you in another 1k ^_^

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I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
February 13 2012 20:27 GMT
#2
Hi Kita! :-)
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 13 2012 20:30 GMT
#3
5/5 and thank YOU for making games awesome to play I think I was in all of those with you.

I like this approach where you learn something concrete from every game, it's a sure way to make sure you're getting better.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
February 13 2012 20:32 GMT
#4
The reason why new players rarely stay through the initiation period in tl mafia is because the veterans are mostly bad mannered to them.
You know how even chogosu players may help a d- newbie in bw in anticipation for him coming to love the game eventually.
Well it's the exact opposite with most mafia veterans.
Having said that I thank all the vets who actually help the newbies and I hope I'll join a more friendly game next time. Q_Q
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
February 13 2012 20:39 GMT
#5
On February 14 2012 05:32 Steveling wrote:
The reason why new players rarely stay through the initiation period in tl mafia is because the veterans are mostly bad mannered to them.
You know how even chogosu players may help a d- newbie in bw in anticipation for him coming to love the game eventually.
Well it's the exact opposite with most mafia veterans.
Having said that I thank all the vets who actually help the newbies and I hope I'll join a more friendly game next time. Q_Q


Most vets are always willing to help.

Problem is, you have to realize, that once in the game, the vets need to play to their win condition, and this can include being aggressive towards new players, as well as old players.

If you want help, just contact some veteran who is not playing the game you're in and ask advice. We are all really nice people, it's just that when we start playing, it's game-face and we become ruthless.

We even have coaching programs and newbie games to help everyone learn the game.

Some people just can't seperate in-game from out-of-game people, and those people are doomed to fail to adapt to mafia. Mafia is a role-playing-game, and it requires people to play their roles. Don't judge people based on how they behave ingame. Talk to us outside the game, after the game, or on IRC.

You'll find this community is the best TL has to offer.
Computer says mafia
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 15 2012 01:53 GMT
#6
On February 14 2012 05:27 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Hi Kita! :-)


Hi HoD! ^_^

On February 14 2012 05:30 prplhz wrote:
5/5 and thank YOU for making games awesome to play I think I was in all of those with you.

<3

On February 14 2012 05:32 Steveling wrote:
The reason why new players rarely stay through the initiation period in tl mafia is because the veterans are mostly bad mannered to them.


I think you just selected a poor first game. 95% of the time, the environment isn't that harsh
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
February 16 2012 05:49 GMT
#7
weren't we a parity cop in couples?
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 06:02:12
February 16 2012 05:58 GMT
#8
Your mafia blogs are always a treat. Love how you learn different things each time you play. Too bad we'll never get to cross our path considering I am reverent mini-game player :p
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
February 16 2012 06:15 GMT
#9
Auto 5/5, its mafia related.

The rest of you, make more mafia related blogs!
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
February 16 2012 11:08 GMT
#10
5/5 for Mafia Related & Host more Election Mafia :3?
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
UltimateHurl
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland591 Posts
February 16 2012 12:10 GMT
#11
5/5 I've been thinking about joining a mafia game, I'm no good deception though, and it seems like it'd eat up a lot of time
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
February 16 2012 12:14 GMT
#12
The BM that people talk about in terms of veterans is one of the reasons I love reading Mafia games :D

5/5 don't ever change kita
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 16 2012 17:40 GMT
#13
On February 16 2012 14:49 redFF wrote:
weren't we a parity cop in couples?


Oh right. I've been repressing our memories together.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 16 2012 23:51 GMT
#14
1/5 kita is always the godfather
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
February 17 2012 01:06 GMT
#15
On February 16 2012 15:15 GMarshal wrote:
Auto 5/5, its mafia related.

The rest of you, make more mafia related blogs!


Yeah... about that. I thought you guys were going to take over the blog section with those. What happened?
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
February 17 2012 03:35 GMT
#16
On February 17 2012 10:06 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 15:15 GMarshal wrote:
Auto 5/5, its mafia related.

The rest of you, make more mafia related blogs!


Yeah... about that. I thought you guys were going to take over the blog section with those. What happened?

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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
February 18 2012 07:44 GMT
#17
More mafia plugs need spotlight imo
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
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