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Malgrif
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1095 Posts
July 04 2010 18:19 GMT
#801
On July 05 2010 03:09 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2010 03:00 Malgrif wrote:
On July 05 2010 02:48 L_Master wrote:

Xero's ban was based on circumstantial event that are NOT explicitly stated in the rules, and his punishment was decided before there was any chance of him discussing the matter at hand. Many of you misinterpret me defending that he doesn't deserve any punishment at all, but I am arguing that his punishment is too harsh.


No, he had a chance. He wasn't banned for well over a day or something after the fact that it was probablyt a bullshit story came to light. As everyone pretty much agreed this guy posted 100+ times a week, and was almost certainly following the reception to his story. He had a chance to reply. He didn't

There also seems to be the problem that people seem to misinterpret Chill's PM, he said if he found out he was a liar he would be baned. He didn't say admit that you're lying or you will be baned. That's why admitting to his story would have no bearing on the course of action taken(which means him continuing on with his story doesn't make him any more of a douche bag then he was before, he was baned anyways so why not, he doesn't lose anything or might be able to salvage his situation), which brings me back to my first point that there was no explicit rule stated that this was a something that could get him in trouble. He had no way of knowing that he'd get perma ban when he started, and admitting to it after he got the pm would of gotten him baned anyways. There was no warning to admit to, there was no patience with him.


It seemed implicit, at least to me, that he would not be banned, or at least permabanned and dealt with as severly if he came clean right then, rather than trying to continue get people emotionally involved in his story with ever more elaborate lies. As a side note, thats what makes this more than an honest mistake. He knew people were getting involved, plenty emotionally, and yet continued to weave a story that was only going to hurt people in the end. It's not that unlike leading on someone in a relationship, you get them emotionally attached to you even though you have no actual interest in them; to me thats what you would call being a douchebag, not an honest mistake.
Morover, this guy apparently had a history of warnings and bans. It was likely that one more slip up from him, even a minor one, was going to be his last anyway, and this was certainly more than a minor slip up. So even if you really feel a permaban for this was too harsh, consider that he isn't being permabanned for just this but in conunctiuon with the fact that he had a terrible posting history riddled with past bans and warnings.



If you argue that he should have known that deceiving a mass amount of people would undoubtedly piss people off and that the forums are dictated by common sense, then he should have been warned first not be out right baned. Breaking unspoken rules is always a hard matter to deal with, but mods should assume that people don't know them, and give them warning before judgement, not judgement without warning.


First of all let me reiterate what I said above. His ban severity was probably influenced by his previous history of being a poor poster. Also, keep in mind that TL is the mod's house. If this guy comes in and shits on the carpet, the mods have every right to kick him out. You seem to be arguing that he didn't shit on the carpet but rather tracked a small pebble inside or something. Be that as it may, its ultimately the mods house, and perception is reality; they are absolutely within their right to kick this guy out.

The thing is, we really don't know exactly how it would of played out if he came clean, but judging by the PM, it would of meant that he would have gotten baned anyways. I understand why the mods baned him, and I'm not saying it's not in their right to kick him out, i'm giving my opinion on why i think it was an unfair judgement.


Okay, you obviously feel it was unfair that he got banned for this, I disagree, but thats neither here nor there. Have you considered the fact that the reason he got banned wasn't for this alone, but also because of his history of bad posts, warnings, and previous bans. You've already stated that some sort of punishment was in order, so this was just the final straw for Zero.
that's not the reason he got baned, he got baned for lying. people posted this after he got baned. so basically they justified the ban in a different way after the fact, which means that these reasons to why he got baned afterwards have no weight on why he got baned in the first place. and if you agree that it was too harsh to ban him without warning, then you agree that he shouldn't of been baned for just lying.
for there to be pro there has to be noob.
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
July 04 2010 18:21 GMT
#802
Banned..banned...banned..
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Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
OpRaider
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States307 Posts
July 04 2010 18:21 GMT
#803
He got banned for lying, past posting history, and breaking Chill's orders. They are not mutually exclusive events.
it is what it is -day9 airplane story
Malgrif
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1095 Posts
July 04 2010 18:23 GMT
#804
On July 05 2010 03:21 OpRaider wrote:
He got banned for lying, past posting history, and breaking Chill's orders. They are not mutually exclusive events.
he got baned for getting caught >_>, read the ban list.
for there to be pro there has to be noob.
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-04 18:25:00
July 04 2010 18:24 GMT
#805
On July 05 2010 03:23 Malgrif wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2010 03:21 OpRaider wrote:
He got banned for lying, past posting history, and breaking Chill's orders. They are not mutually exclusive events.
he got baned for getting caught >_>, read the ban list.


This was the last straw that led to the banning, but you can see from chill's post that Xero has irked him before.
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
July 04 2010 18:29 GMT
#806
On July 04 2010 22:26 PokePill wrote:
Xero Banned

Malgrif: It wasn't in the rules
Radical: It IS in our rules
Malgrif: No it isn't
Radical: It's rule #1
Malgrif: Oh, but he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue
Issorlol: Actually chill's PM told him the issue
Malgrif: Oh, but I also think the punishment was too harsh
Holy_war: He was warned
Malgrif: Well I think he wasn't warned well enough, he was an honest guy who made an honest mistake
Chill: He wasn't an honest guy, his entire post history was bad and he was a douche bag
Malgrif: Well we don't know if he's a douche bag
Mainerd: He was a liar
Malgrif: We all are surrounded by liars, you should be able to let things go
mainerd: Everyone may be dishonest.. not to this degree
Malgrif: People make up stories all the time
OneOther: People do not make up stories on this scale EVER
Malgrif: You don't understand my arguments, I wasn't talking about Xero at all

Xero Banned

Malgrif: It wasn't in the rules
Radical: It IS in our rules
Malgrif: No it isn't
Radical: It's rule #1
Malgrif: Oh, but he didn't think the validity of his story was the issue
Issorlol: Actually chill's PM told him the issue
Malgrif: Oh, but I also think the punishment was too harsh
Holy_war: He was warned
Malgrif: Well I think he wasn't warned well enough, he was an honest guy who made an honest mistake
Chill: He wasn't an honest guy, his entire post history was bad and he was a douche bag
Malgrif: Well we don't know if he's a douche bag
Mainerd: He was a liar.
Malgrif: We all are surrounded by liars, you should be able to let things go
mainerd: Everyone may be dishonest.. not to this degree
Malgrif: People make up stories all the time
OneOther: People do not make up stories on this scale EVER
Malgrif: You don't understand my arguments, I wasn't talking about Xero at all
Teamliquid: Malgrif, you have no argument and thus you should stop.
Malgrif: God you guys can't interpret my arguments.
Pokepill: Here's a rough summary of your arguments. You have none.
Malgrif: Stop cherry picking. XerO made an honest mistake. He didn't know what his actions would lead to.
Teamliquid: He was warned and knew exactly what he was doing. And he was given some time to come out and say something.
Malgrif: He would have been banned anyways! And I disagree!

Your aguments are so bad that it seems like you are arguing just for the sake of arguing. They are long-winded, off the mark, unconvincing, and most importantly, they don't make sense. You have tried to come up with some of the most ridiculous arguments and have failed miserably. Please stop. You really are making a fool out of yourself. I know you will respond to this by saying "people just don't understand what I am saying!" But trust me, we really do get it and you make no sense whatsoever. So yeah, stop.

If you argue that he should have known that deceiving a mass amount of people would undoubtedly piss people off and that the forums are dictated by common sense, then he should have been warned first not be out right baned. Breaking unspoken rules is always a hard matter to deal with

For the last time, stop acting like people don't know coming up with a fake stories and pictures over a series of five blogs isn't wrong. It wasn't an honest mistake. He knew himself what he was getting himself into. To sum up your main points:

1) It is not in the rules.
2) We don't know if he was a douchebag.
3) People lie all the time.
4) He made an honest mistake.
5) People don't understand your arguments (you have none, really)

I am not going to write any further responses because it's just a waste of time.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26003 Posts
July 04 2010 18:30 GMT
#807
Ok kids, enough playing moderator. It's time for mommy and daddy to come home now.

Hopefully this was insight into the kinds of insane bullshit moderators have to deal with daily.
Moderator
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21552 Posts
July 05 2010 00:41 GMT
#808
On July 04 2010 21:29 moopie wrote:
It's all fun and games until someone gets permabanned :/

I still approve of XeRO.

Who are you and how do you have over 4000 posts? o.O
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