• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:36
CEST 16:36
KST 23:36
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-611SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-64
StarCraft 2
General
GSTL Returns in 2026! SC4ALL: II Talent Announcement! https://www.facebook.com/Eco.Fuel.Reviews/ Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Protoss AoE skill expression
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) 2026 KungFu Cup Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
How to Watch RedNote Short Dramas in the United St u4gm Diablo 4: QoL Secrets for Faster Gameplay u4gm POE2 Frostbolt Build: A Powerful Boss Killer U4GM CFB 27 Guide: Why UTSA’s Offense Is So Danger
Brood War
General
StarCraft 64 is coming to Philly at SC4ALL II ASL22 General Discussion BW General Discussion [Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-6 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3 2v2v2v2 Tournament
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread EVE Corporation General RTS Discussion Thread Diablo 2 thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread Iain M Banks Says He Has Cancer And Months To Live Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Chinese Gen Z: Between Dream…
TrAiDoS
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3695 users

Just a random thought...

Blogs > kidd
Post a Reply
kidd
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States2848 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 21:53:12
August 13 2009 21:50 GMT
#1
Why does it seem like you never really achieve a true ultimate level of fame until you die. Look at the cases of MJ and Heath Ledger.

MJ, while he was alive, was often times hated and joked about for being a pedophile and the sort. People ridiculed him for being black and white and often made rumors about him being ashamed to be an African American. Then once he dies, he turns into a "god" and has the most watched funeral of all time. People come out of the wood work praising his life and calling him the best performer of all time.

The same can be said for Heath. Before his death he was basically just another good actor that nobody paid any special attention to. Then he dies and people come from all around the world breaking records for the movie Dark Knight in order to see Heath in his last acting role. Would the Dark Knight have grossed that much movie without Ledger dying? I would say maybe close to, but you would have to be pretty ignorant to say that Ledger’s death had nothing to do with the number of viewers.

With all these deaths of so called celebrities from the A list all the way to the Z list it just seems like their goals of being so famous are only truly achieved once they die.

Anna Nicole Smith is another example. Sometimes the public won't even learn about a person until they die. Did much of you guys knew who she was, or let alone care until she made headlines with her overdose death?

I guess I just feel like that it is sad that we live in a world that really won't accept or appreciate a person in a complete sense until they are dead and their lives are in some sort of review on every news channel.

/end rant


edit: I want to make it a point that I think that people can still be appreciated and shown in a good sense during their lifetimes. However I guess my main point is that once they die, only their good sides are shown and basically all of them are made out to be angels and perfect.

Hi
Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
August 13 2009 21:53 GMT
#2
...because when you are alive people cannot ignore your faults. MJ was a pedophile. Anna Nicole Smith was a border-line moron who did drugs and married an old billionaire just for his money. When you die people will be respectful, ignore the problems, and feel obligated to celebrate the positive aspects.
You are crushing me like a cheese sandwich
Prof. Protoss
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Germany744 Posts
August 13 2009 21:56 GMT
#3
NoobsOfWrath is a pedophile.

Woops, now it's out there.
Don't mess the fess!
kidd
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States2848 Posts
August 13 2009 22:04 GMT
#4
Another example... Tupac dies and makes more money and sells more albums after dying. I gues what I'm saying is that you never truely know how influential someone is to peoples lives until they die.
Hi
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
August 13 2009 22:05 GMT
#5
prolly partially because it's common to speak only good of dead people.

You don't see people at funerals saying:"He was just a dude, sometimes nasty, sometimes good."
he/she is always a wonderful mother/father, always bringing light to people's lives etc.

It's also pussy to talk bad about the dead because they can't defend or correct their flaws, so people only say the good stuff.
Exteray
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1094 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-13 22:08:36
August 13 2009 22:08 GMT
#6
I have two words for you...



Happy birthday!
kidd
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States2848 Posts
August 13 2009 22:12 GMT
#7
On August 14 2009 07:05 niteReloaded wrote:
prolly partially because it's common to speak only good of dead people.

You don't see people at funerals saying:"He was just a dude, sometimes nasty, sometimes good."
he/she is always a wonderful mother/father, always bringing light to people's lives etc.

It's also pussy to talk bad about the dead because they can't defend or correct their flaws, so people only say the good stuff.


I don't think people had too many positive things to say about Hitler and any others like him. Also only some people ever get more famous after dying. There are many cases of people dying and being forgetten, while some get even more fame.
Hi
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
August 13 2009 22:29 GMT
#8
On August 14 2009 06:56 Prof. Protoss wrote:
NoobsOfWrath is a pedophile.

Woops, now it's out there.


when he dies we will remember him as the greatest poster on TL!
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24788 Posts
August 13 2009 23:03 GMT
#9
On August 14 2009 07:12 kidd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 07:05 niteReloaded wrote:
prolly partially because it's common to speak only good of dead people.

You don't see people at funerals saying:"He was just a dude, sometimes nasty, sometimes good."
he/she is always a wonderful mother/father, always bringing light to people's lives etc.

It's also pussy to talk bad about the dead because they can't defend or correct their flaws, so people only say the good stuff.


I don't think people had too many positive things to say about Hitler and any others like him. Also only some people ever get more famous after dying. There are many cases of people dying and being forgetten, while some get even more fame.

What niteReloaded said is more or less accurate. Just because you came up with an extreme counterexample doesn't mean that most people are remembered only for the good stuff.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
KurtistheTurtle
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1966 Posts
August 13 2009 23:38 GMT
#10
On August 14 2009 06:56 Prof. Protoss wrote:
NoobsOfWrath is a pedophile.

Woops, now it's out there.

SHIT i let him babysit
“Reject your sense of injury and the injury itself disappears."
R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
August 14 2009 00:44 GMT
#11
Fame is something you want because your parents never loved you enough. Getting famous is the ultimate attention seeking.
ggyo...
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
13:00
King of the Hill #259
WardiTV358
Liquipedia
PiG Sty Festival
12:00
PiGfest 8.0 Group A
Serral vs Lambo
SHIN vs Rogue
IntoTheiNu 1449
PiGStarcraft900
ComeBackTV 429
IndyStarCraft 227
Rex128
BRAT_OK 79
3DClanTV 52
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft1056
IndyStarCraft 220
Rex 142
BRAT_OK 94
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 45053
Shuttle 3129
Bisu 1708
EffOrt 844
Light 577
Soulkey 459
Pusan 325
actioN 291
Stork 258
Larva 255
[ Show more ]
firebathero 242
Rush 232
ZerO 216
Snow 212
Hyuk 124
hero 95
Sea.KH 54
ToSsGirL 33
sSak 27
Sexy 24
Sacsri 24
Hm[arnc] 23
Sharp 22
Terrorterran 17
yabsab 14
HiyA 14
scan(afreeca) 12
sorry 12
Dota 2
The International97006
Gorgc19402
singsing4535
Dendi517
BananaSlamJamma217
KheZu78
Counter-Strike
fl0m5564
hiko520
x6flipin461
zeus277
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor102
XaKoH 89
Other Games
Lowko405
crisheroes251
Hui .185
ToD157
Liquid`VortiX150
Livibee68
KnowMe65
QueenE63
ArmadaUGS58
ZerO(Twitch)13
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 591
• lizZardDota250
League of Legends
• Jankos1868
• Nemesis1746
• TFBlade630
Other Games
• WagamamaTV93
Upcoming Events
OSC
5h 24m
Replay Cast
9h 24m
Escore
19h 24m
PiG Sty Festival
21h 24m
ByuN vs HeRoMaRinE
ShoWTimE vs Zoun
CranKy Ducklings
1d 19h
PiG Sty Festival
1d 21h
herO vs Krystianer
Solar vs Cure
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
PiG Sty Festival
2 days
Maru vs Shameless
Reynor vs TriGGeR
OSC
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Rush vs Hm
Bisu vs Shuttle
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
The Patches Monday
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Sharp vs Shinee
Action vs Shine
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
BeSt vs Paralyze
Jaedong vs Speed
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
KCM Race Survival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-12
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
RSL Revival: Season 6
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W7
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
META DYMY #4
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.