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Last Edited: 2009-08-02 19:31:12
August 02 2009 19:28 GMT
#41
On August 02 2009 18:50 Daigomi wrote:
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On August 02 2009 14:30 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Edit: To clarify, I think everyone regardless of gender acts fake at least 50% of the time. When someone is of a more genuine character, they are usually characterized as assholes. Just how life is. But as I said...women do it more, especially with other women. I think its just that their more emotional than guys so they have [or feel they have to] to watch what they say more.

I really hate this view, and I see it popping up everywhere. People who are genuine characters and assholes are portrayed as assholes. People who are nice and genuine characters, are generally seen as nice people. Maybe it's something on the internet, where we get to do with assholes so often that we believe that everyone must be an asshole, or maybe it's a US/Canada thing, I don't know.

But seriously, I know lots of people very well (meaning I know their genuine character), and almost all of them are good people. In fact, the only two people who I know that are assholes, the asshole is only a facade, and they are actually damn nice people trying to look tough or cool. Like I said, it might be different in the US or Canada (I don't even mean this as an insult, different cultures train people to behave differently), where people distrust each other more often, and are less likely to be helpful or friendly to those they don't know. For example, there are times and places in South Africa where you can definitely find people faking it more often. College parties, clubs, even among younger students at university, where people feel forced to present themselves as something they aren't to be appealing. However, generally, if you get to know those people, they are also nice people, so even they aren't assholes putting on a face.

Seriously, when did people get so cynical?
Well I don't mean it like that. I mean if someone is to be completely honest, they can come off as rude. Obviously if you get to know someone you will realize they aren't trying to be rude, or you have some people who can be tactful with their honesty. But generally yea, if someone made a poor joke and you get the honest response "that is not funny", and you don't know the person well, most people will take that harshly. In polite society you will be seen as an asshole because you aren't being fake in order to appear polite. In a more comfortable setting I don't think the same applies. But even then, everyone holds back some opinions on people.

COMPLETE truth in character and opinion just can not be done. I've been watching a lot of scrubs lately, and there was a character who kept reappearing who was sent to the hospital for being too frank. He wasnt doing it out of malicious intent, he was just being really, really brutally honest and he was getting his ass kicked for it. Thats probably a pretty accurate depiction if someone were to go that far lol.
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South Africa4316 Posts
August 02 2009 20:10 GMT
#42
On August 03 2009 04:28 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2009 18:50 Daigomi wrote:
On August 02 2009 14:30 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Edit: To clarify, I think everyone regardless of gender acts fake at least 50% of the time. When someone is of a more genuine character, they are usually characterized as assholes. Just how life is. But as I said...women do it more, especially with other women. I think its just that their more emotional than guys so they have [or feel they have to] to watch what they say more.

I really hate this view, and I see it popping up everywhere. People who are genuine characters and assholes are portrayed as assholes. People who are nice and genuine characters, are generally seen as nice people. Maybe it's something on the internet, where we get to do with assholes so often that we believe that everyone must be an asshole, or maybe it's a US/Canada thing, I don't know.

But seriously, I know lots of people very well (meaning I know their genuine character), and almost all of them are good people. In fact, the only two people who I know that are assholes, the asshole is only a facade, and they are actually damn nice people trying to look tough or cool. Like I said, it might be different in the US or Canada (I don't even mean this as an insult, different cultures train people to behave differently), where people distrust each other more often, and are less likely to be helpful or friendly to those they don't know. For example, there are times and places in South Africa where you can definitely find people faking it more often. College parties, clubs, even among younger students at university, where people feel forced to present themselves as something they aren't to be appealing. However, generally, if you get to know those people, they are also nice people, so even they aren't assholes putting on a face.

Seriously, when did people get so cynical?
Well I don't mean it like that. I mean if someone is to be completely honest, they can come off as rude. Obviously if you get to know someone you will realize they aren't trying to be rude, or you have some people who can be tactful with their honesty. But generally yea, if someone made a poor joke and you get the honest response "that is not funny", and you don't know the person well, most people will take that harshly. In polite society you will be seen as an asshole because you aren't being fake in order to appear polite. In a more comfortable setting I don't think the same applies. But even then, everyone holds back some opinions on people.

COMPLETE truth in character and opinion just can not be done. I've been watching a lot of scrubs lately, and there was a character who kept reappearing who was sent to the hospital for being too frank. He wasnt doing it out of malicious intent, he was just being really, really brutally honest and he was getting his ass kicked for it. Thats probably a pretty accurate depiction if someone were to go that far lol.

Well, holding back an opinion isn't quite the same as being fake. Even lying isn't the same as being fake. Perhaps it's just me, but I think fake people are people that try to present themselves as something they are not. Laughing at a joke that you don't think is that funny could still be a representation of yourself, if you are the kind of guy that prefers to spare other people's feelings. It's when you laugh at a joke that you don't think is funny just so that other people will like you, and you constantly do things like that to impress other people, that you start becoming fake.

So basically, I think you can have complete truth in character, or something very close to it at least. In fact, I hate those people that say "I don't mean to be an ass, I just like saying things the way they are." Never mincing your words and saying things the way they are "simply because" is pretty much the definition of an asshole. Sometimes it's good to be brutally honest, but most of the time, most people should hold back unnecessarily hurtful opinions, and doing so doesn't make them fake, it just makes them considerate.
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August 03 2009 02:17 GMT
#43
I can sum up all I know about women in 3 words:

not always so.

Let it sink in for a min or two.
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