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Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
October 04 2008 01:23 GMT
#1
Watch it here!

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Seems like GGPlay played perfectly after getting in a clever scout (I think he mineral jumped through the back door.). I was very impressed and surprised with his play, considering he seems to be so inconsistent, and Flash is S-class. He was definitely prepared for Flash's build. Definitely a game I can learn from.



On an unrelated note: I've been trying something out in my ZvT's lately. I quickly take a hidden third with my third hatch. I use my scout drone so the scout SCV doesn't notice a drone leaving. As a result, the Terran scouts what appears to be a 2hatch build, and I look like a relative noob, since my gas is late (if they're even good enough to pay attention to something like that). Anyways, I get speedlings for early map control, and usually will go lurkers rather than muta (these have been on bnet lat games). General gameplan after that is to go upgrade heavy and play lair for a while (though I really hate not having defilers). Also try to fit in drop tech for an island and potential lurker drop in main.

Questions:
1. At what ICCup level can I expect this not to work anymore(as in, they know that I've got a hidden third from the fact that I have only 2 hatch in main/nat and didn't take gas early enough to do 2hatch muta or something)?

2. Is this a retarded strategy? How can I improve it?



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Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
October 04 2008 01:27 GMT
#2
It relies on the terran thinking he's playing a nub, so therefore no, dont do it.

And to answer your second question, no, its just a fast 3rd base strat, which won't work vs a good terran on most maps (you can do it on some, like monty hall or Katrina though). So I'd stickto 3 hat muta.
My. Copy. Is. Here.
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
October 04 2008 01:34 GMT
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That fucking drone messed everything up, screw you GGPlay. Flash is going to take this 2-1, easy.
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
October 04 2008 01:44 GMT
#4
On October 04 2008 10:23 Dromar wrote:
Watch it here!

[spoiler]
Questions:
1. At what ICCup level can I expect this not to work anymore(as in, they know that I've got a hidden third from the fact that I have only 2 hatch in main/nat and didn't take gas early enough to do 2hatch muta or something)?

2. Is this a retarded strategy? How can I improve it?




It will works decently up to about C, on python always do the third hat in the corner closest to them(trust me).

I also go ling heavy when I do this build and get a 4th hat at home soon and resort to standard play with extra gas.

BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
October 04 2008 01:50 GMT
#5
On October 04 2008 10:34 meRz wrote:
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That fucking drone messed everything up, screw you GGPlay. Flash is going to take this 2-1, easy.

Face it, Flash isn't anywhere close to what he used to be. If GGplay wins then he won fair and square and deserves the win.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
October 04 2008 02:15 GMT
#6
the most important game of the series is Chupung... Medusa seems to be a zergy map, given the proleague lineups and the fact that Flash risked mech to try to mix things up while Plasma is a decidedly Terran map. So if Flash takes Chupung, my money is on him taking the series.
sqwert
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States781 Posts
October 04 2008 02:47 GMT
#7
YEEEE GGPLAY RAPED....

hmm nah he dint....

i take that back GGPLAY RAPED FLASH YEEEEEE!!!!! TAKE THAT FE MECH TERRAN!
if everythings coming your way, youre in the wrong lane. sAviOr 4evar!
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
October 04 2008 03:22 GMT
#8
On October 04 2008 10:50 BanZu wrote:
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On October 04 2008 10:34 meRz wrote:
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That fucking drone messed everything up, screw you GGPlay. Flash is going to take this 2-1, easy.

Face it, Flash isn't anywhere close to what he used to be. If GGplay wins then he won fair and square and deserves the win.



lol?

I didn't say anything about GGPlay not winning fair and square. It's just that Flash's build relied a lot on surprise and by sneaking in that drone it kinda threw flash off and gave GGPlay just the intelligence he needed to adjust accordingly.

Had it not snuck in it would've been a completly different game.
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 04 2008 03:44 GMT
#9
GGplays adaptation was perfect

just a really really good game from GGplay, and an entertaining game to watch in general
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Februarys
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Korea (South)259 Posts
October 04 2008 03:45 GMT
#10
On October 04 2008 11:15 talismania wrote:
the most important game of the series is Chupung... Medusa seems to be a zergy map, given the proleague lineups and the fact that Flash risked mech to try to mix things up while Plasma is a decidedly Terran map. So if Flash takes Chupung, my money is on him taking the series.


no way. Medusa seems to be a very terran map, the cliff at your main minerals just proves it. The fact that a Terran can bunker rush you from up there just makes it imba
Jaedong is the Hope of Zergs.
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
October 04 2008 04:23 GMT
#11
On October 04 2008 12:45 Februarys wrote:
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On October 04 2008 11:15 talismania wrote:
the most important game of the series is Chupung... Medusa seems to be a zergy map, given the proleague lineups and the fact that Flash risked mech to try to mix things up while Plasma is a decidedly Terran map. So if Flash takes Chupung, my money is on him taking the series.


no way. Medusa seems to be a very terran map, the cliff at your main minerals just proves it. The fact that a Terran can bunker rush you from up there just makes it imba


That seems a bit of an overstatement. Just move your second overlord over your cliff, or have it keep an eye on the backdoor.

IMO it's slightly Zerg favored because mutas can use the cliffs to limit mobility/visibility of marines and turrets, and the middle of the map is wide open for flanking.
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
October 04 2008 04:40 GMT
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Yeah, nice game by ggplay. I seem to recall Flash doing this sort of a build to GGplay on Katrina, but kept thinking that Medusa doesn't have the same terrain abusability that Katrina did, and maybe Flash did mech on GGPlay again after seeing how terrible GGPlay fared against it the first time around


About the strat, would any good player automatically assume hidden expo? One could be building the 3rd hatch at some random spot to hide the spire, but I guess hidden expo is a much more likely scenario, lol

At any rate, from the gas timing they should be able to tell 3 hatch, not 2 hatch, and from that info, they'll try to find your 3rd hatch, and if they assume wrong and don't find a hidden expo, it's not a big deal so they might as well search it out
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LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
October 04 2008 04:53 GMT
#13
mutalisk: 100 gas
ultralisk: 200 gas
raping flash cowboy zerg style: priceless
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17727 Posts
October 04 2008 11:30 GMT
#14
On October 04 2008 13:40 Purind wrote:
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Yeah, nice game by ggplay. I seem to recall Flash doing this sort of a build to GGplay on Katrina, but kept thinking that Medusa doesn't have the same terrain abusability that Katrina did, and maybe Flash did mech on GGPlay again after seeing how terrible GGPlay fared against it the first time around


About the strat, would any good player automatically assume hidden expo? One could be building the 3rd hatch at some random spot to hide the spire, but I guess hidden expo is a much more likely scenario, lol

At any rate, from the gas timing they should be able to tell 3 hatch, not 2 hatch, and from that info, they'll try to find your 3rd hatch, and if they assume wrong and don't find a hidden expo, it's not a big deal so they might as well search it out

i dont think flash and ggplay ever played on katrina. Are you thinking ggplay vs shudder?

The only times these guys played against each other was osl semifinal bo5 maps were fantasy hitchhiker python and monty hall and another time in osl ro16 on hwarangdo.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
rA.Hippie
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Denmark714 Posts
October 04 2008 12:03 GMT
#15
On October 04 2008 13:53 LxRogue wrote:
mutalisk: 100 gas
ultralisk: 200 gas
raping flash cowboy zerg style: priceless

lol, you sir, wins this thread.
I love teh shisha.
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
October 05 2008 01:07 GMT
#16
On October 04 2008 12:22 meRz wrote:
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On October 04 2008 10:50 BanZu wrote:
On October 04 2008 10:34 meRz wrote:
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That fucking drone messed everything up, screw you GGPlay. Flash is going to take this 2-1, easy.

Face it, Flash isn't anywhere close to what he used to be. If GGplay wins then he won fair and square and deserves the win.



lol?

I didn't say anything about GGPlay not winning fair and square. It's just that Flash's build relied a lot on surprise and by sneaking in that drone it kinda threw flash off and gave GGPlay just the intelligence he needed to adjust accordingly.

Had it not snuck in it would've been a completly different game.

You just sounded very bitter about it, unreasonably bitter at that too.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
October 05 2008 03:06 GMT
#17
Of course i'm bitter about it, I was cheering for Flash ? :D
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
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