• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 07:55
CET 13:55
KST 21:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
[BSL23] RO16 Group Stage14Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?2Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23
StarCraft 2
General
Serral's getting trashed by New Catsle's Mind Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top? Liquibets sc2 season 30 No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon
Tourneys
soO & FanTaSy return! SC2 Kevin Scrim 4v4 (Nov 16) RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament iNu's Battles #22
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Starcraft 2 Advance [G] How to playtest arcade maps [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
List of top players active on ShieldBattery BW General Discussion [BSL23] RO16 Group Stage screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool [BW] Looking for Clan Thread!
Tourneys
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4 BWCL Season 65 Announcement [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL23] Ro16 Group C - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Infested Terran strategies in 2026 Nuke strategy worked in K-League 2026-11-09 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy)
Other Games
General Games
List of Game Threads The PlayStation 5 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Can Game Data Analytics Help Players Improvements
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Trading/Investing Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck? US Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The time I organised my…
AssyrianKing
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 14435 users

ICCup skill observations

Blogs > h3r1n6
Post a Reply
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
August 01 2008 21:00 GMT
#1
Playing on ICCup I made a couple of observations, regarding skill levels of players. The games I base this on aren't too many, so some of my assumptions might be wrong. Furthermore I can't tell anything about higher ranks, since I haven't surpassed D+ (and probably won't anytime soon).
With my very random sleep rhythm I get to play at almost every time. But sometimes I seem to only lose at my rank, and sometimes I am playing quite unexperienced players, giving me easy wins.
The main reason for the skill difference can be found when looking at the clock. The hardest games seemed to occur at about 10:00-14:00. Being at CET, you add 7 hours to get to KST, and you have it. Evening in Korea. Obviously this is no real suprise, but good to keep in your mind, that when you always play at that time, you might be a higher rank during other parts of the day.
Another thing that I have experienced, is that on the weekend it is easier than during weekdays. Weekend is free time for most people, so many people come online that can only play during weekends (or only very limited on the weekdays). These players with jobs have less time to play than the pupils/students/unemployeds hardcore gamers. A more casual player base leads to lower average skill level.
Furthermore there seems to be a difference between maps. I mostly lost on Blue Storm. But this might come from me not being able to play the maps. Hosting non-motw maps that I want to play at that point I usualy got worse players. Easily explainable because higher level players want to get out of the lower ranks quickly.
I mostly just host public games and wait for people to join, but when I joined one those few times those players seemed to be worse than the players joining my games. But out off 3 or 4 times you can't make an observation.
Last thing I noticed, but only slightly, so it might also just be random is that evening here is a bit harder than the night, evening in America.

I won't go into the beginning of the season or other factors like TSL, which also have an impact on this, but are not subject to my 'research'.

Problems with my observations:
-Small sample size during long time period (a bit over 150 games in 3 seasons)
-Subjective estimation of play strength based on how I did against them

Problem #1 can easily be covered by playing more getting different observations.
Problem #2 is however really tricky. Since there is no way to measure a players skill; we don't have a power level that might be over a certain value. There simply is too much to Starcraft game to measure the skill of a player. Even when just comparing two players it is hard to tell whos better, unless there is a quite large skill gap.

If anyone observed similar things go ahead and tell me .

****
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
August 01 2008 21:04 GMT
#2
that's pretty intersting, esp w/ regards to the weekday/weekend thing, and the maps part. I never thought about the maps thing :O:O
d1v
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden868 Posts
August 01 2008 21:08 GMT
#3
Yeah, maybe I will start to time my gaming session better since every Korean I seem to run into has 300+ APM and uses strategies I normally don't encounter..
Adams Æbler
inertinept
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Bangladesh1195 Posts
August 01 2008 21:18 GMT
#4
im feeling the korean night time ;; just made it to C+ finally today after staying C for quite awhile. think i have like 80 games played now :/
With a gust of wind, perhaps.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
August 01 2008 22:13 GMT
#5
[image loading]


My game started nicely by your win and dropped back to D after managing to climb up to 2500+.

Then again I hardly have "easy" opponents, that win for (middle) me was opponent toying with me and when I scouted him he had 2 marines and teching and quited instantly...
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
August 01 2008 23:17 GMT
#6
Ouch ><
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Invitational
21:00
WardiTV Not-Summer Championshi
Lambo vs Shameless
Rogue vs uThermal
Percival vs YoungYakov
TBD vs GgMaChine
WardiTV467
ComeBackTV 334
Rex101
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 288
ProTech144
Rex 101
Classic 17
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 31804
Rain 1903
Jaedong 796
EffOrt 470
Mini 411
Shuttle 351
Light 304
Larva 242
firebathero 167
Rush 165
[ Show more ]
Snow 163
Killer 161
Last 152
Stork 129
Movie 100
Pusan 95
Hyun 95
Aegong 62
hero 48
Hm[arnc] 48
Shinee 48
ToSsGirL 33
soO 25
Noble 23
Barracks 20
sorry 18
Sacsri 16
Free 10
Terrorterran 8
yabsab 6
910 5
Icarus 5
Dota 2
Dendi1552
Gorgc1110
monkeys_forever347
XcaliburYe172
Counter-Strike
fl0m3504
olofmeister871
kRYSTAL_22
Other Games
singsing1391
B2W.Neo793
Lowko291
XaKoH 198
syndereN172
crisheroes168
Mew2King99
ArmadaUGS39
QueenE0
Organizations
StarCraft 2
angryscii 22
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 8
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• ChaeLyn 6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV549
League of Legends
• Jankos2225
• Stunt507
Upcoming Events
OSC
3h 5m
OSC
10h 5m
ArT vs MindelVK
MiniZergUA vs TBD
Shameless vs TBD
Ultimate Battle
23h 5m
OSC
1d 1h
OSC
1d 10h
ByuN vs MaxPax
herO vs Krystianer
Percival vs Shameless
LetaleX vs YoungYakov
Nicoract vs Gerald
GgMaChine vs ArT
CranKy Ducklings
1d 21h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 23h
IPSL
2 days
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
BSL
2 days
TerrOr vs OyAji
UltrA vs Gosudark
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
IPSL
3 days
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
BSL
3 days
Artosis vs Dewalt
Ret vs Tech
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
GSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-11
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
Individual League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

YSL S4
Sector 591
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
StarCraft2 Weekly Open Tournament 2026 Grand Finals
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.