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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7565 Posts
May 24 2015 02:26 GMT
#1
I am not a brave person. I would go so far as to say that my mind is not strong enough to undergo torture. I think this video shows the point from which I could never hope to recover.

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Bannt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States73 Posts
May 24 2015 03:57 GMT
#2
That is some gross misconduct. Officers like this need to be held accountable, lose their jobs and face severe penalties under the law.

At the same time though, we can't let these instances of police brutality push us to adopt policies that might hinder or dissuade cops from using necessary force in legitimate situations. We need to realize that for every cop that acts in this manner there are scores who do not. The job is difficult and good cops will sometimes make mistakes in the heat of the situation.

For example


The student in this video may be within the law, but he's deliberately bating the cop into looking bad and is more or less being the idiot. Walking around with a gun out is a legitimate cause for concern. The cop may not be within the letter of the law, but he is in the spirit of the law by protecting the community from a possible danger.

To be clear, I'm not trying to defend the cop in the OP video at all. I just want to remind people to keep the bigger picture in mind, especially with all the 'bad cop' scenarios in the news.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
May 24 2015 04:39 GMT
#3
On May 24 2015 12:57 Bannt wrote:
The student in this video may be within the law, but he's deliberately bating the cop into looking bad and is more or less being the idiot. Walking around with a gun out is a legitimate cause for concern. The cop may not be within the letter of the law, but he is in the spirit of the law by protecting the community from a possible danger.

To be clear, I'm not trying to defend the cop in the OP video at all. I just want to remind people to keep the bigger picture in mind, especially with all the 'bad cop' scenarios in the news.


If people of Portland, Maine don't like the law, they can try to change it or move somewhere else. It's legal to open carry there. What's the bait?

The logic of "spirit of the law by protecting the community" is what's got us with stop and frisk in NYC, which is unconstitutional. We're governed by the rule of law. Don't like the law? You're welcome to go to another country.

Cops can't demand an ID without reasonable cause of suspicion.
Cops can't detain someone without suspicion of criminal activity (which must be explicitly stated)
Cops can't stop someone if the sole reason for stopping is that someone is legally carrying a gun
Cops can't take your gun away from you without suspicion of a committed crime (crime must be explicitly stated by cop)

The student knows the law. I would hope law student would know the law. But most people, including the cop, don't know the law or don't like following the law.
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Bannt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States73 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-24 04:53:11
May 24 2015 04:44 GMT
#4
The bait is that the student was intentionally walking down the street with a gun out for the sole purpose of making the cop look bad when he was stopped. If you saw someone walking down the street with a gun on their hip in plain sight I think you'd be a little unnerved, I know I would be. The cop was just making sure the situation wasn't dangerous, which is exactly what a cop SHOULD be doing, preventing crime.

I mean, sure he should maybe brush up on his knowledge of the law, but that's small fries. What if that guy was actually really high on some drug, angry, and about to go shoot up a bank or walk into a school. Are you really saying having a cop pull up in that situation shouldn't happen?
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24775 Posts
May 24 2015 13:51 GMT
#5
Hm, can't the cop just say based on the reports the police have recently received he suspects a gun is being illegally carried? The problem seemed to be that the cop didn't have suspicion of illegal activity and therefore can't even card the guy.

I don't get why police don't have the ability to card someone there.... that's not exactly trampling on human rights.
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-24 15:22:57
May 24 2015 15:22 GMT
#6
So there are some states with stop and identify laws. In those states, cops can stop you and can demand an ID and arrest you if you refuse to show one.

And in those states cops can make up a reason to ID someone because the basis is "reasonable suspicion."

Every state has different degrees of forced ID laws. Some states, like Nevada, just require you to say your name, while others require an actual card ID. Maine (location of where the video was taken) doesn't have forced ID.
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