• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:29
CEST 11:29
KST 18:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League29Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.162Rollback Netcode in Brood War1275.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202624Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0
StarCraft 2
General
No more sc2 streamers on team liquid? SCII needs to put more weight on strategy and tact Server Blocker Terran AddOns placement How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR?
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) $3,500 WardiTV Not-Summer Championship ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts
Brood War
General
Practice Partners (Official) Rollback Netcode in Brood War [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos GG Lan Fest Sofia, Bulgaria [this November] [Recap] Hive ZvZ in MonstarZ vs Dreams
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [ASL22] Grand Finals 2v2v2v2 Tournament Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread The Chess Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
The Link Between Gaming and …
TrAiDoS
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9279 users

Lack of sanity

Blogs > helpman170
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
helpman170
Profile Blog Joined May 2015
34 Posts
May 09 2015 13:25 GMT
#1
There is a box with two coins.
One coin is heads on one side and tails on the other side.
The other coin is heads on both sides.

You draw one coin at random and it is heads.
What is the probability that the other side is heads?

***
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
May 09 2015 13:55 GMT
#2
50% ?
I think esports is pretty nice.
Ovid
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United Kingdom948 Posts
May 09 2015 13:57 GMT
#3
50%
I will make Yogg Saron priest work...
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 09 2015 14:00 GMT
#4
I have a feeling it isn't but I haven't looked into the maths yet.

If you select a coin and it has heads then isn't it more likely that the coin you have is the one with 2 heads, therefore it is higher than 50% that the other side is heads?
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 09 2015 14:04 GMT
#5
like P(2nd face heads / 1st face heads) = P (1st face heads and 2nd face heads) / P(1st face heads)

= 0.5 / 0.75

= 0.667

66% chance
Zerg for Life
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
May 09 2015 14:17 GMT
#6
I don't math. But my thought was that if you get the double heads coin it's always heads on the other side and if you get the split side coin it's always tails on the other side. It's 50% to get either coin.
I think esports is pretty nice.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 09 2015 14:20 GMT
#7
On May 09 2015 23:17 Saechiis wrote:
I don't math. But my thought was that if you get the double heads coin it's always heads on the other side and if you get the split side coin it's always tails on the other side. It's 50% to get either coin.


the fact that you pulled a heads on the first coin means you have to use conditional probability.

in english words, because the first face is heads you have more than likely pulled the coin with both heads.

I think

Zerg for Life
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-09 14:24:23
May 09 2015 14:21 GMT
#8
H`, H ...... T H
H`, H ...... H T
H, H` ..... T H
H, H` ..... H T
T, H ..... H`, H
T, H ...... H, H`

H, T ....... H`, H
H, T ....... H, H`


exactly half of the events are a solution though? I marked the coin with only heads as having H and H`. Could someone good at maths explain what I'm missing here?

e: I guess what Kelsier just said makes sense, then indeed it is 2/3
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 09 2015 14:23 GMT
#9
events 5 and 6 aren't considered because we are told the first face is heads
Zerg for Life
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
May 09 2015 14:37 GMT
#10
I think you're right KelsierSC.
I think esports is pretty nice.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 09 2015 14:40 GMT
#11
On May 09 2015 23:37 Saechiis wrote:
I think you're right KelsierSC.


there's always a first time.
Zerg for Life
Ovid
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United Kingdom948 Posts
May 09 2015 16:55 GMT
#12
On May 09 2015 23:04 KelsierSC wrote:
66% chance


That makes sense because of the wording (since you're quantifying that is has to be the double heads coin you pick out not getting a heads on the otherside as an outcome)

It's 75% of the time you're going to pick out heads to start and 50% chance for the next outcome so 66% is right just didn't read that the parameter is you've got to have picked out heads to start with.
I will make Yogg Saron priest work...
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-09 17:21:32
May 09 2015 17:18 GMT
#13
KelsierSC is correct. In general:
P(A and B) = P(A given B) * P(B)

Do the math and you get the result that he got.
More information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayes'_rule
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
May 09 2015 18:15 GMT
#14
What's the connection between this problem and (a lack of) sanity?
IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
May 09 2015 18:43 GMT
#15
mathematician asks a blonde: "what are the chances of going out and seeing alive dinosaur?" She responds: "50%: either i'll see it or I won't"
Insert wise words here
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-09 18:56:27
May 09 2015 18:49 GMT
#16
Edit: never mind I misunderstood the question, I thought it was about flipping one coin and getting heads, then flipping the other coin.

I thought it was 75%?

If the first coin is already heads, the actual problem changes to:

I have 2 coins, one of them has heads on both sides and one of them has heads on one side and tails on the other. I pick one of them at random and flip it. What is the possibility of it coming up heads?

so for coin 1 and coin 2 the possibilities are:

h1 , h'1 , h2, t2
P(h) = 0.75
Please send me a PM of any song you like that I most probably never heard of! I am looking for people to chat about writing and producing music | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noD-bsOcxuU |
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-09 19:25:15
May 09 2015 19:22 GMT
#17
On May 10 2015 03:49 JieXian wrote:
Edit: never mind I misunderstood the question, I thought it was about flipping one coin and getting heads, then flipping the other coin.

I thought it was 75%?

If the first coin is already heads, the actual problem changes to:

I have 2 coins, one of them has heads on both sides and one of them has heads on one side and tails on the other. I pick one of them at random and flip it. What is the possibility of it coming up heads?

so for coin 1 and coin 2 the possibilities are:

h1 , h'1 , h2, t2
P(h) = 0.75


you have neglected the fact that the first face is heads.

edit - didn't see edit
Zerg for Life
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
May 09 2015 19:56 GMT
#18
It's indeed 2/3, but I don't get where the lack of sanity is d:
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
May 09 2015 19:57 GMT
#19
On May 10 2015 04:56 OtherWorld wrote:
It's indeed 2/3, but I don't get where the lack of sanity is d:


I'm guessing the OP was having issues with the problem.

seems like he has left after we did his homework
Zerg for Life
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
May 10 2015 00:26 GMT
#20
I'm a layman and I already knew some little shit was going to get me in this scenario. This time it was named "conditional probability."
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
AI Arena Tournament
01:00
Swiss - Round 6
Laughngamez YouTube
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 37369
Calm 3681
Soulkey 695
actioN 546
Stork 448
Larva 397
BeSt 352
Leta 263
Soma 229
EffOrt 130
[ Show more ]
sorry 97
ToSsGirL 43
Shinee 43
Sharp 43
HiyA 41
Yoon 33
NaDa 24
hero 21
Killer 19
Terrorterran 18
Sacsri 14
yabsab 13
Hm[arnc] 10
ajuk12(nOOB) 7
Dota 2
ODPixel238
XaKoH 22
Other Games
gofns62124
WinterStarcraft611
Fuzer 65
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 19
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH266
• LUISG 9
• Adnapsc2 8
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV478
• lizZardDota2321
League of Legends
• Lourlo1476
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
31m
OSC
3h 31m
IPSL
6h 31m
BSL Open Qualifier
9h 31m
WardiTV Weekly
1d 1h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
[ Show More ]
FEL
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 22
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
IPSL Winter 2026-27
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
HCC Season 3
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.