• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 04:08
CET 10:08
KST 18:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview11Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)38
StarCraft 2
General
HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview StarCraft 2 Not at the Esports World Cup 2026 Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 28 KSL Week 85 $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) OSC Season 13 World Championship $70 Prize Pool Ladder Legends Academy Weekly Open!
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Can someone share very abbreviated BW cliffnotes? [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Bleak Future After Failed ProGaming Career
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Path of Exile Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Let's Get Creative–Video Gam…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1768 users

This is UNPRECEDENTED!! (investing story)

Blogs > 2primenumbers
Post a Reply
2primenumbers
Profile Blog Joined February 2014
United States144 Posts
January 16 2015 01:49 GMT
#1
Wow what an adventure. Very strange. So meme worthy. I do not even know where to begin.

Infact, the weirdness is so off the wall that I become curious as to whether or not I need to backaway. You know, run? Fear for my fine and dandy reputation in life? Maybe keep a watch out over night to keep a close eye on just what's going on here anyhow..

Back in October I spotted a situation -- an investable situation. If you even know what that word means. This company, a major player in the Solar Industry, was nearly put out of business by a gnarly series of days where they spent and spent -- to the tune of one milion dollars a day -- and made practically zero revenues to compensate. Basically, the management of the Company were doing exactly the wrong stuff to succeed.

They did one thing right, though.l They filed for Chapter 11 Restructuring Bankruptcy. This is a special type of bankruptcy designed for Company's to get around costly legal battles. Its a pretty unique device under the law. Its like being able to file a lawsuit to escape a contract without having to go through the proper civil litigation procedures. There is of course a proper set of procedures -- but the advantage of Chapter 11 is that they (the legislators) make it easy to get infront of a Judge who will rule and perform a type of mediation in settling major contract disputes that otherwise may take several years in the "normal" route.


So Chapter 11 (Restructuring) is interesting because it helps folks get out of bad contracts. The thing is though, there has been much abuse of the Chapter 11 process. All of the abuse of course has been covered up -- its mostly the investors who got screwed who even know about the abuse. And even then, most people are not very savvy of the law -- so they think their company legitimately went bankrupt. But that's simply not always the case of Chapter 11. And nor is it the primary purpose of this special bankruptcy law. The main purpose is to faciliate company's escape from contractual obligations which didn't work out, but which will be hard for each Company to negotiate out of without being infront of a Judge who gives that essential 3rd vote.


What's the Abuse though? Well, simply, when Company Management enters into Chapter 11 they have the opportunity to sell the Company to a new set of bidders. Highly hypothetical, of course, this isn't an accusation of any sort on any particular Company, but I'll tell you this. A cursory review of the Chapter 11 History reveals that a very many Companies have wiped out Shareholders (public investors like you and I, incl. big investors in the common stock), reissued new stock (which happened to be bought and awarded to those who held Bonds), and emerged to be very successful.


Of course, all of that "successful" came at the price of wiping out all of the public shareholders. Like all of the folks who are down in paper (or real, if they sold) losses of $2k - $12 million (just talking about investors I know of in one particular Chapter 11 situation). So the shareholders get wiped out while Management stays on board and gets stock options in the "new shares" of the Company. Its pretty sick, if you think about it.


Well, I'm involved in one of these Chapter 11 situations because I saw the opportunity for some old-fashioned by-the-book street justice. And now the lawyers for this (what was) a $1.4 billion dollar company are after me. Its an unprecedented situation.
See you next time.

*
o face
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
January 16 2015 07:44 GMT
#2
Next time on Suits, starring 2primenumbers: will justice prevail?

Good luck yo!
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
January 16 2015 11:12 GMT
#3
Your writing style reminds me of that of Micawber from Dickens's David Copperfield...
2primenumbers
Profile Blog Joined February 2014
United States144 Posts
January 16 2015 13:58 GMT
#4
On January 16 2015 16:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Next time on Suits, starring 2primenumbers: will justice prevail?

Good luck yo!


Thank you for the kind vote!

o face
LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
January 16 2015 15:59 GMT
#5
The general vagueness of you blog reminds me of MightyAtom's. Anyway, good luck with whatever situation you're in, seems quite serious !
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
January 16 2015 18:52 GMT
#6
Good luck
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
pheer
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
5395 Posts
January 16 2015 21:04 GMT
#7
SEARS?

Also, renamed thread to add a little less vague-ness.
Moderator
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
January 17 2015 01:18 GMT
#8
When lawyers come after me, I know it's time for some good ol-fashioned street justice.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 00:20:17
January 19 2015 00:16 GMT
#9
--- Nuked ---
2primenumbers
Profile Blog Joined February 2014
United States144 Posts
January 19 2015 22:59 GMT
#10
Doesn't mean any guarantees on the outcome, but I'll be in the Bankruptcy Court(Berkshire Courtroom(!)) in Springfield, MA on the 26th to present the case for the business' strength.
o face
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 52m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 981
Hyuk 826
Larva 547
firebathero 423
BeSt 287
Hm[arnc] 175
Dewaltoss 160
Sharp 101
ToSsGirL 78
Shinee 76
[ Show more ]
IntoTheRainbow 75
910 58
Mini 53
soO 35
sorry 32
Noble 21
Backho 19
NaDa 18
Soma 15
ggaemo 11
Terrorterran 1
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm149
League of Legends
JimRising 594
Other Games
summit1g9102
WinterStarcraft601
Happy350
mouzStarbuck244
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH182
• Adnapsc2 18
• StrangeGG 17
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1251
• Lourlo1150
• Stunt377
Upcoming Events
HomeStory Cup
2h 52m
ShoWTimE vs sOs
Serral vs Reynor
Zoun vs HeRoMaRinE
Clem vs Lambo
OSC
3h 52m
Replay Cast
14h 52m
Replay Cast
1d 14h
Wardi Open
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-31
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Rongyi Cup S3
HSC XXVIII
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W7
Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.