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SC2 Esports Decline: Do Not Blame The Game

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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17805 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-03 16:37:57
November 03 2014 16:26 GMT
#1
SC2 The Game is great to watch and Blizzard has done an incredible job making a great game.
However, Blizzard has messed up the promotion of SC2 the Esport.

6+ years ago Blizzard should've compromised with Kespa because they know how to make money off of promotion and live events. Kespa has the "star system" down to a fine art. Their live event promotion was top notch.

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This documentary will give you a brief oblique glance at Kespa's marketing and promotional genius




relative to those great days...

2014 SC esports has already failed. Most of Blizzcon's attendants are there for non-Starcraft related events. Which is why they've moved so much of the WCS championships away from the core Blizzcon experience. the tickets are $20? that price reeks of failure.

Blizzard has had 5 years to build upon the picture above. instead they've decimated it.
Attendance at SC2 live events worldwide is falling fast. ticket prices are still rock bottom.

they should've acknowledged how good Kespa was and compromised early.. like in 2009.

the live event scene is shriveling to zero... and this is due to errors Blizzard made 5+ years ago.



User was temp banned for this post.

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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
November 03 2014 16:45 GMT
#2
As soon as I saw the title, I knew it'd be you. I knew it was you, Jimmy!
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17805 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-03 16:47:31
November 03 2014 16:47 GMT
#3
i was derailing the WCS 2015 Changes thread in the general section so i made this.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 03 2014 16:51 GMT
#4
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-03 17:00:29
November 03 2014 16:54 GMT
#5
Only in big cities and maybe small countries too. City Seoul has over 9m population and I dont think it is difficult to have 20k+ people (in that stadium) in Seoul. Everything else is too expensive for everyone (flights, accommodations etc), especially for people who are 12-25yo.

edit: dont worry, you will see the evidence if we see/have DH/IEM in Seoul.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
November 03 2014 17:02 GMT
#6
Why do you find shocking that most BlizzCon attendants are there for non-Starcraft events? There are, if I'm correct, five Blizzard games represented at BlizzCon (WoW, D3, SC2, HOTS, HS). What wouldn't be logical would be more people coming for SC2 than for WoW or something else
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
November 03 2014 17:24 GMT
#7
Wait, wtf... I thought the entry to those Kespa events in the video were free?! :o
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
November 03 2014 17:34 GMT
#8
I'm sure the NHL is somehow involved; I was expecting something more hard-hitting, Jimmy. Tsk tsk.
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
November 03 2014 17:34 GMT
#9
Personally, I blame the Patriarchy for the decline of SC2.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
November 03 2014 17:38 GMT
#10
I rather think that blizzard dont want promoting so much on sc2 (and Diablo3). They gain alot more if they promote HS, HOTS and WoW. Thats why I think they dont make Diablo3 a very exceptional game (like Diablo2) because they will lose a lot $$$ and WoW-subscribers (WoW users switch to HS or D3 or HOTS).
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
November 03 2014 17:59 GMT
#11
The whole point of blizzcon is cross promotion between their games.
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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
November 03 2014 18:10 GMT
#12
Blizzcon has never has SC as a large focus, and the large majority of people have always gone for WoW.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 03 2014 18:16 GMT
#13
I'm curious what you think about Blizzcon this year vs Blizzcon in 2011. When the crowd roared to Mvp vs MMA, was SC2 already declining because the tournament was hosted at Blizzcon?
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13422 Posts
November 03 2014 18:19 GMT
#14
You don't get it Jimmy.

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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
November 03 2014 18:33 GMT
#15
Blizzard didn't become big because of Starcraft alone, they became big through Diablo and through I would argue by far the largest part due to the Warcraft franchise.

What the hell gave you the idea that Starcraft is Blizzards biggest franchise?It is small if not tiny compared to the Warcraft franchise.
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-03 18:52:14
November 03 2014 18:46 GMT
#16
Ohh... Jimmy my Jimmy
You thought Mengsk was a good guy.
You thought infested Kerrigan was doing good then she killed your friend Phenix...
Then you got fooled by Tychus.

I'm not surprised you think SC2 is in decline.

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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
November 03 2014 19:14 GMT
#17
Most of Blizzcon's attendants are there for non-Starcraft related events. Which is why they've moved so much of the WCS championships away from the core Blizzcon experience


Which is the whole point of BlizzCon, it's not called "StarCon" for a reason. Since when has BlizzCon ever been focused mostly or purely on SC?

Okay SC2 might not be as visibly successful as other games or BW but you can't put it all on Blizzard, people's tastes change. Even if SC2 had all those additions people were begging for I doubt the popularity would have risen to the point where SC2 would be numero uno e-sport with LoL and Dota 2 hanging behind. Either way, SC2 is showing signs of life again with another Korean league, KeSPA changes and WCS, the game isn't anywhere near dead.
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Eggi
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
478 Posts
November 03 2014 22:04 GMT
#18
People like fun and easy and something you can do with your friends.

Starcraft 2 is neither is those.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17805 Posts
November 04 2014 02:28 GMT
#19
On November 04 2014 03:33 Kipsate wrote:
Blizzard didn't become big because of Starcraft alone, they became big through Diablo and through I would argue by far the largest part due to the Warcraft franchise.

What the hell gave you the idea that Starcraft is Blizzards biggest franchise?It is small if not tiny compared to the Warcraft franchise.


when did i say Starcraft is Blizzard's biggest franchise?

its way behind WoW and somewhat behind Diablo3.
and its less strategic than both in terms of revenue generation.

WoW has monthly payments and Diablo works on 5 systems with mouse/keyboard or controller.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
November 04 2014 02:44 GMT
#20
On November 04 2014 07:04 Eggi wrote:
People like fun and easy and something you can do with your friends.

Starcraft 2 is neither is those.


Actually, you can play SC2 with friends in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 and so on, and can have fun doing that. Moba games are like white jeans. Everyone is wearing them, so why not you? Unless you're a total square.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
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