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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 17:39:26
December 29 2012 17:37 GMT
#1
Sas festive tour spoiler:

+ Show Spoiler +
I woke up because of my alarm clock, feeling like shit, with a pounding head ache and heavy eyes. Then I played in the tournament I was invited to. My play constituted a failure of epic proportions. I forgot to drone scout, and then I forgot to make a spire. After that I went back to sleep. Never invite me to a tournament again...


I've had enough of ZvZ. I like Zerg the most as a race. I used to play Protoss, but I never switched to Zerg because of ZvZ. Eventually I decided to be a man and play the race I like the most. Well, it turns out I'm not a man, because I'm fucking leaving. I don't even care if there's a magical solution to the build order poker that makes the match up non luck based at the highest level. It's still not fun. I like micro, and microing mutalisks vs scourge and scourge vs mutalisks is a lot of fun, but fucking fighting an uphill battle from start to end because you picked the wrong build order is not.

The only time I ever win vs 12 hatch with 12 pool is when I abuse a mistake of his. If he doesn't make any mistakes, I never win. The only times I ever lose vs 9 pool with 12 pool is if I make a mistake. Otherwise, I never lose. People use Jaedong as an argument against ZvZ build order poker, but being a lot better than your opponent doesn't mean you weren't disadvantaged. It just means you won despite the disadvantage. It happens all the time in imbalanced games. And if there was no BO poker, why did he use different build orders every game, including ALL INS?

Even assuming that there is no BO poker once you reach a high enough level, it's still not fucking fun to sit on your ass with 10 drones all game and just wait, because you have a better economy but you can't quite kill him yet. So you wait, because time is on your side, but the defender's advantage means you can't kill him just yet. THAT IS NOT FUCKING FUN.

FUCK THIS MATCH UP

FUCK THIS GAME FOR HAVING IT

I'M SWITCHING TO TERRAN.

Edit: I'm a vulture. -_-

**
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
mmK_
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Sweden16 Posts
December 29 2012 18:17 GMT
#2
Good choise mate! TvT is a great matchup but you´ll get some head ache of the other matchups at times! :D
Once the terran race has chosen you, you can´t change because the marines will stim and ratatatat you if you do! :o
LeafMeAlone
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States301 Posts
December 29 2012 18:44 GMT
#3
You're gonna love TvZ and TvP lategame
~_~
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
December 29 2012 19:32 GMT
#4
On December 30 2012 03:44 LeafMeAlone wrote:
You're gonna love TvZ and TvP lategame

Omg you were a boomkin weren't you.
HanFuzi
Profile Joined November 2012
Israel80 Posts
December 29 2012 19:37 GMT
#5
The hardest thing for me about playing terran was getting used to the fact that tanks dont shoot all the way across the screen anymore.
Best of luck though.
The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands what will sell.
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
December 29 2012 19:40 GMT
#6
On December 30 2012 04:37 HanFuzi wrote:
The hardest thing for me about playing terran was getting used to the fact that tanks dont shoot all the way across the screen anymore.
Best of luck though.


What do you mean anymore? I'm talking about StarCraft 1.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
HanFuzi
Profile Joined November 2012
Israel80 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 19:42:46
December 29 2012 19:42 GMT
#7
On December 30 2012 04:40 vOdToasT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 04:37 HanFuzi wrote:
The hardest thing for me about playing terran was getting used to the fact that tanks dont shoot all the way across the screen anymore.
Best of luck though.


What do you mean anymore? I'm talking about StarCraft 1.

Whoops, my bad.
The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands what will sell.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6790 Posts
December 29 2012 20:13 GMT
#8
Hey yoyo.First of all i was looking for u in the tour to see all ur advances.I read ur blogs about ur way to improve etc.and i liked.but u are not so friendly in the game .sadly. well wathever. u know bw is not easy game but not impossible.and zvz u just need find ur way to win the game. when u find the way u will improve more in the matchup and start to see the things clear. good luck.And plz dont do that. TvP can take one year to u learn. TvZ will make u back to be zerg. and TvT will make u cry.
HanFuzi
Profile Joined November 2012
Israel80 Posts
December 29 2012 20:17 GMT
#9
On December 30 2012 05:13 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Hey yoyo.First of all i was looking for u in the tour to see all ur advances.I read ur blogs about ur way to improve etc.and i liked.but u are not so friendly in the game .sadly. well wathever. u know bw is not easy game but not impossible.and zvz u just need find ur way to win the game. when u find the way u will improve more in the matchup and start to see the things clear. good luck.And plz dont do that. TvP can take one year to u learn. TvZ will make u back to be zerg. and TvT will make u cry.

If nothing else, playing the other half of the matchup is always quite enlightening. It helps to see ZvT from the other side.
The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands what will sell.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6790 Posts
December 29 2012 20:21 GMT
#10
On December 30 2012 05:17 HanFuzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 05:13 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Hey yoyo.First of all i was looking for u in the tour to see all ur advances.I read ur blogs about ur way to improve etc.and i liked.but u are not so friendly in the game .sadly. well wathever. u know bw is not easy game but not impossible.and zvz u just need find ur way to win the game. when u find the way u will improve more in the matchup and start to see the things clear. good luck.And plz dont do that. TvP can take one year to u learn. TvZ will make u back to be zerg. and TvT will make u cry.

If nothing else, playing the other half of the matchup is always quite enlightening. It helps to see ZvT from the other side.

i Do my self this. play TvZ to improve ZvT but i never think to dodge zvz
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
December 29 2012 20:25 GMT
#11
i bet this guy's next post would be about the state of terran in current meta.
"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
HanFuzi
Profile Joined November 2012
Israel80 Posts
December 29 2012 20:29 GMT
#12
On December 30 2012 05:21 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 05:17 HanFuzi wrote:
On December 30 2012 05:13 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Hey yoyo.First of all i was looking for u in the tour to see all ur advances.I read ur blogs about ur way to improve etc.and i liked.but u are not so friendly in the game .sadly. well wathever. u know bw is not easy game but not impossible.and zvz u just need find ur way to win the game. when u find the way u will improve more in the matchup and start to see the things clear. good luck.And plz dont do that. TvP can take one year to u learn. TvZ will make u back to be zerg. and TvT will make u cry.

If nothing else, playing the other half of the matchup is always quite enlightening. It helps to see ZvT from the other side.

i Do my self this. play TvZ to improve ZvT but i never think to dodge zvz

it really helps to know what the other race hates
The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands what will sell.
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
December 29 2012 20:40 GMT
#13
You know what you could always do? ZvT and ZvP with PvZ or TvZ instead of ZvZ. I find TvZ one of the most fun matchups to play. ^^
darkness overpowering
HanFuzi
Profile Joined November 2012
Israel80 Posts
December 29 2012 20:45 GMT
#14
TvZ is pretty easy once you get the hang of it, but race picking is risky and not worth it.
The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands what will sell.
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 20:54:28
December 29 2012 20:51 GMT
#15
Did not know you were talking about bw until I saw scourge
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3137 Posts
December 29 2012 21:25 GMT
#16
TvT with me.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-29 23:50:02
December 29 2012 23:48 GMT
#17
TvP is fucking boring. It's not hard, just boring.
I don't know what to do.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
December 29 2012 23:59 GMT
#18
just play protoss, PvT is fun...PvP is fun...PvZ is a fun nightmare

I too thought TvP was boring in Bw and also couldnt handle ZvZ being what it is so I went toss =D!
troi oi thang map nai!!!
sorrowptoss
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1431 Posts
December 30 2012 00:04 GMT
#19
No..!!! Now I'll have to play more TvT... I hates you.
Luckily for me, I love TvT, it's the greatest matchup in my honest opinion in either Brood War or WoL. It's pure strategy + a battle of endurance to see which player has the more solid macro. It's an art. Unlike ZvZ. Welcome.
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
December 30 2012 01:33 GMT
#20
TvT is a difficulty only true Terrans understand. Try to avoid it until you truly understand TvP and TvZ. If you can't avoid a Terran, just ZvT. Seriously, TvT has made endless people quit playing Terran.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
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