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PL 3R Should be All BW

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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10219 Posts
July 10 2012 01:10 GMT
#1
Hey TL,

As well all know (or most of us know), PL 3R is coming soon. And there have been speculations about what the format would be. Many have swayed to the full SC2 format, some have stayed with the current (and horrible) double BO3 format.

But all of this aside, the 3R needs to be all BW. BO7, All BW, and maybe a pinch of Winner's League on the side. Seriously, BW is going to vanish from pro-Korea. Might as well give it one last HURRAH. (Pretty sure 3R will take place after OSL Finals) But seriously, the game has come this far. Is KeSPA really going to make the last of team league BW, one of suffering, and uninspiring games? I mean, I understand. KeSPA is just trying to get the players ready for SC2. And I get that. But for real, let's be honest. How many of you want BW as a final season. Just one more season. Is that too much to ask for? The fans want it. You go to PL games, seats are jam packed during BW, and then slowly, the people leave at the SC2 games come up. Now I'm not trying to insult SC2, I'm stating the truth.

So for those who are Korean and have access to threads that the esports community is a part of that maybe can generate big enough news for KeSPA to look at, please try. From the bottom of my heart, I would lose a year of my own life just to see the final season be all BW.

<3 BW. BW Fighting. Till the last breath. We will never surrender. Never. Say. Die.


Poll: What should 3R be?

All BW (40)
 
70%

All SC2 (17)
 
30%

Split Format (0)
 
0%

57 total votes

Your vote: What should 3R be?

(Vote): All BW
(Vote): All SC2
(Vote): Split Format




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Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
July 10 2012 01:19 GMT
#2
I love BW more than anything, but I think it's the best for players, teams and fans to put an end to BW. If kespa players want to compete with sc2 players on next Starleague, they need to ditch BW and start sc2 full time.

And I like to go out with a bang, with this Starleague finals the last BW matches.
Believing in what lies ahead. | That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
July 10 2012 01:38 GMT
#3
Starleague is the most fitting place for BW to finally rest. Let them do R3 with SC2.
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nbaker
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1341 Posts
July 10 2012 01:40 GMT
#4
Proleague should be BW forever. It's not our choice, though.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 10 2012 01:43 GMT
#5
as a sc2 player and fan i think that PL should just stay BW forever, however much most people like bw players playing sc2, i feel like PL is a BW thing and should stay that way
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 02:15:55
July 10 2012 02:14 GMT
#6
it's just that kespa wants the starcraft franchise to be as high making money as it is now instead of just scaling back.

If special forces can get an LG sponsorship for their league, I don't see why bw couldn't get a sponsor; the sponsor would just pay less though and the money would have to go away some. Same with the disbanding of teams---it's too high of an entrance cost for some new company to come in and pick up hwaseung oz/wemade fox/mbc game and maintain all of the same salaries of the players (remember how kespa made a big deal how all the player salaries on team 8 were maintained).

BW is/was popular enough in korea to continue a pretty high level league 5-10 years from now, but it would have to scale back a little. And kespa wanted starcraft to always keep growing and always keep high level of prize pool.

Like OSL has a prize of something like ~40,000 USD (40 million krw) for first place and payout was distributed pretty reasonable from that iirc (maybe it's like 30k first 15k second 7.5k semis 2k r08 1k ro16). They probably asked sponsors to always maintain that level rather than cut back to like 20k first 10k second etc.

tl;dr- Of course it should be bw in my heart, but I also think financially it would have worked out if they were willing to scale back. I get the impression that they weren't willing to. And of course I could be wrong entirely.

Maybe I also am underestimating special forces a lot. Maybe that is hugely popular and the progamers get paid the same top end amounts.
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TylerThaCreator
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States906 Posts
July 10 2012 02:30 GMT
#7
OSL already switching to SC2, PL needs to just switch to all SC2. It's just hurting the players at this point to switch them 50/50 and delaying them from practicing more sc2 will just ensure they are further behind, especially with HotS on the horizon.
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syst
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
United States247 Posts
July 10 2012 03:10 GMT
#8
I want PL to be Brood War always but that's an impossible dream. I voted all BW but I know it should be all SC2.
Balgrog
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1221 Posts
July 10 2012 04:26 GMT
#9
honestly I don't care which way it goes, but it needs to be one or the other, it can NOT be both!
The only way to attack structure is with chaos.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 04:33:46
July 10 2012 04:32 GMT
#10
I want whats best for the players

sad as it may be for me personally, that means fully going SC2, I don't want for them to torture themselves in playing 2 games like they do now. Even if R3 is fully BW, they will still practice SC2 because they know its meaningless after and that OSL(and potentially GSL) and other tournaments are waiting for them.
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Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
July 10 2012 04:51 GMT
#11
It should be BW because what I would give to see TBLS et al play BO7 PL again.

But it won't be, it can't be. TT
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Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
July 10 2012 05:46 GMT
#12
I'd prefer BW to just keep on going, so in that sense I'd like PL 3R to be BW-only.

That said, I feel like I owe the players for all the entertainment they've provided over the years. They're being forced to play SC2 in the future anyway, and while I would like watching some pure BW, it will only hold them back and put them at a disadvantage against the GSL pros if they keep on splitting practice time. In that sense, I'd rather just switch entirely to SC2 to help their careers, and just keep my fond memories of BW. I won't watch them play SC2 because I just don't care for the game, but if that's what will allow them to keep their lifestyle (assuming they still want it), I'm all for it. They deserve that much.
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xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-10 08:00:46
July 10 2012 06:01 GMT
#13
Currently 43 not hybrid to 0 hybrid.

Nice job thinking of the fans, KeSPA!

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Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
July 10 2012 07:40 GMT
#14
On July 10 2012 15:01 xxpack09 wrote:
Currently 43 hybrid to 0 not hybrid.

Nice job thinking of the fans, KeSPA!

I think you have it in reverse. XD
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Cooleh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom63 Posts
July 10 2012 12:45 GMT
#15
I wonder what the percentages would be like for all of the korean fans, or maybe everyone who watches bw. I wish people walking away from the SC2 games in the audience would sway the sponsors back towards bw but sadly it won't happen
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