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So a few days ago, I was thinking a line to myself that I've thought often. "Man, I could be in Diamond if I didn't make all these stupid mistakes." And then I continued thinking. "How is it that I seem to outplay my opponents far more often than they outplay me? Most of the time I just do something dumb...it's so rare I get straight-out outplayed."
Then I started thinking about some of my OWN victories. The one-base colossus push against the fast expanding Protoss with FOUR sentries. The macro-fest against the Terran who never, ever dropped in the whole game. The Zerg who did this weird-ass all-in that hit at 10 minutes when I already had plenty of units.
Yeah...if I don't get outplayed when I do something stupid, neither did they. If I make a stupid mistake, and lose, I GOT OUTPLAYED. The opponent didn't do something stupid, and I did, and I have the audacity to not give them a fair victory? As soon as I realised this, the ladder suddenly seemed like a much fairer place.
We get outplayed more often than we think.
 
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wonderful! that's exactly how it is. very cool you also came to that conclusion =)
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Very good point there, too many people aren't critical enough of their own play and therefore rage too easily at their opponent when they lose.
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The realization of failures where it is due, in my opinion, is the first step to becoming a more critical (and often times civil) person - and usually a better player, too. Kudos to you ^_^
Although some people take too much blame and end up becoming extremely negative, which is the opposite extreme.
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I've been thinking a lot about this, but with a much less humble conclusion. Your post made me think twice. Thanks.
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On April 20 2012 12:57 AKomrade wrote:
I've been thinking a lot about this, but with a much less humble conclusion. Your post made me think twice. Thanks.
What was your conclusion? Just a thought on humbleness - if you're not a gaming personality, being humble in something as stressful as SC2 is about the best thing you can be. It's too easy to let anger and stress from the ladder become the norm and spill over into the rest of your life, and it's very hard to compartmentalize stress.
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can anyone tell me why being humble is so damn important for english spoken persons?
isn't that more obnoxious than being hungry?
it's like you guys are trying to get to this nirvana/dhalsim/dalai lama/gandhi shit on videogames....
please give me a good reason because I don't get it.
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Very simple. If you are humble, you are not above blaming yourself for losses. If you think you're hot shit, you'll blame your opponent or lag or imbalance, and if you do that, you will never, ever be good. Ever. You have to be able to constantly find flaws in your own play so you can improve yourself, and that requires a reasonable level of humility.
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I've thought about this, but not so much in Starcraft as in LoL. You can play well and lose or win in SC2. If you execute your build well and he has nothing, well that's not your fault.
In LoL, though, there are some things that are just out of your control. If someone on your team decides to play horribly, the other 4 people can only do so much. Of course other people are going to tell you that there should be a horrible person on the other side or next game, but that's not much of a consolation when you're bleeding losses. And of course the unspoken accusation is that you really aren't losing in the manner you say you are or are an equal beneficiary. You'd have to be honest and keep careful track to really know I suppose.
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Jerubaal: Yeah, LoL can be punishing like that: I would never want to play LoL seriously. I only play it to mess around, because I dislike that loss of control. If I had an arranged team it would be different: I could handle it if we lost a game because someone I knew screwed up, as opposed to a random who just hemorrhages gold from every orifice.
While I know it will even out in the end (Actually, it should be better. If you don't hemorrhage money, there are 4 other players on your team who could, but five on the enemy team. Ergo, 5/9 terrible players should be on their team, not yours.) I don't want to deal with the variance in a game like LoL. Poker is okay because of how much volume you can put in...you can't multi-table LoL.
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5/5, I agree, completly... Altho my problems seem to lie in not sigeing tanks tvz vs masters zergs... and suiciding all my BL's to stalkers zvp... Q_Q. Army Controll Y U SO HARD.
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On April 20 2012 14:43 Salivanth wrote:you can't multi-table LoL.
Says you
Flash 16tables LOL while 12tabling 5kNL
...yeah maybe a bit of an exaggeration.
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On April 20 2012 12:27 Salivanth wrote:
So a few days ago, I was thinking a line to myself that I've thought often. "Man, I could be in Diamond if I didn't make all these stupid mistakes." And then I continued thinking. "How is it that I seem to outplay my opponents far more often than they outplay me? Most of the time I just do something dumb...it's so rare I get straight-out outplayed."
Then I started thinking about some of my OWN victories. The one-base colossus push against the fast expanding Protoss with FOUR sentries. The macro-fest against the Terran who never, ever dropped in the whole game. The Zerg who did this weird-ass all-in that hit at 10 minutes when I already had plenty of units.
Yeah...if I don't get outplayed when I do something stupid, neither did they. If I make a stupid mistake, and lose, I GOT OUTPLAYED. The opponent didn't do something stupid, and I did, and I have the audacity to not give them a fair victory? As soon as I realised this, the ladder suddenly seemed like a much fairer place.
We get outplayed more often than we think.
You are thinking Brood War. Welcome.
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On April 20 2012 14:10 Salivanth wrote:
Very simple. If you are humble, you are not above blaming yourself for losses. If you think you're hot shit, you'll blame your opponent or lag or imbalance, and if you do that, you will never, ever be good. Ever. You have to be able to constantly find flaws in your own play so you can improve yourself, and that requires a reasonable level of humility.
This basically. Being humble (or at least trying to) can give you a clearer picture of the world rather than seeing everything from a self-righteous perspective.
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On April 20 2012 13:44 SOyuncastor wrote:
can anyone tell me why being humble is so damn important for english spoken persons?
isn't that more obnoxious than being hungry?
it's like you guys are trying to get to this nirvana/dhalsim/dalai lama/gandhi shit on videogames....
please give me a good reason because I don't get it.
Ummm, it's about being nice to other people?
Assume you fail to defend a 2 base all-in because you got supply blocked twice. You can:
1) Blame imba protoss and rage about how n00b the other person is for playing that n00b race with no-skill builds. You get angry, the other person gets annoyed. You continue into next game, having learned nothing but how imba and newb toss is.
2) Acknowledge that your opponent made fewer mistakes than you did, and type out with a "gg wp". You watch the replay, and pay more attention to overlords next game. Other guy feels good for the "wp".
That is how it works in my head at least. If you prefer a battlenet where everyone shout at and insult each other despite being in the wrong, then I guess you are allowed that opinion, but I'm happy that you are not on my server. 
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I guess it depends on your definition of outplayed. I generally don't like to think that I outplay my Platinum opponents, nor that they outplay me. I make dumb mistakes, they make dumb mistakes... sometimes, they just use downright crappy builds, like when I run into Platinum Tosses who try to 4gate me, as if a competent zerg should ever lose to a 4gate nowadays, but that's not really me outplaying them, it's them making a mistake by using a crappy build and not even using it properly.
However, when I play on my smurf account, that's when I'm talking outplaying... where I use ridiculous builds and composition to stomp players who, while making a ton of mistakes, wouldn't have had a chance regardless.
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