• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:24
CEST 08:24
KST 15:24
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7
Community News
Flash Announces Retirement From ASL7Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form?12FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event16Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster14Weekly Cups (June 16-22): Clem strikes back1
StarCraft 2
General
CONSULT ALPHA SPY NEST EXPERTS FOR YOUR LOST BTC Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form? StarCraft Mass Recall: SC1 campaigns on SC2 thread The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation How does the number of casters affect your enjoyment of esports?
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event HomeStory Cup 27 (June 27-29) WardiTV Mondays SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 $200 Biweekly - StarCraft Evolution League #1
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] Darkgrid Layout
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady
Brood War
General
Flash Announces Retirement From ASL ASL20 Preliminary Maps BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL20] ProLeague LB Final - Saturday 20:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Blog #2
tankgirl
Game Sound vs. Music: The Im…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 499 users

My experience with MBCgame: part 2 and thoughts - Page 2

Blogs > supernovamaniac
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
Sephy90
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1785 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 08:50:20
January 24 2012 08:49 GMT
#21
On January 24 2012 17:41 supernovamaniac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 17:14 Sephy90 wrote:
On January 24 2012 14:16 sharky246 wrote:
I doubt LoL is gonna help korea. I can't help but think that koreans are not charmed by the noob-friendliness of games. I noticed that this game called chaos (dota clone) is quite popular among koreans. Koreans don't seem to have much interest in dota from what i've heard and seen.

When i first saw someone playing chaos, something huge i noticed is the apm. On screen, they played chaos, but looking at his keyboard made it look like he was playing bw or wc3. Looked like 100~150 apm, no spams. Im sure you dont need that many apm for dota. And then there is the case with bw and sc2. Of course, im not sure, but thats the impression that im getting, that they dont want to be catered for.

I've heard of Chaos but I couldn't find any videos~ but I hear it's harder than dota and I THINK I saw a game before on ogn or something.

I'm gonna disagree with you that LoL won't help Korea~ as much as I don't like the game it has a retarded huge fanbase in Korea. I've actually made a LOT of Korean friends just by playing LoL and have met some well known afreeca BJ's who play LoL and just by them broadcasting their games creates more and more fans.

Just by my observation from all this they all really enjoy watching and playing the game and just imagine the other people in PC Bang's n shit o_o.

I've asked some friends if they've tried dota, hon, or knew about dota2 (I think everyone I asked didn't know a thing about dota 2 lol) but they didn't know what it was or BARELY knew about it lolol. Some of the ones that tried/seen dota/hon said it was really hard to play or looked difficult. I'd like to see some Koreans play Dota 2 but with all that love with LoL it might be hard haha.

Also~ I love reading your stuff SNM 5/5 <3


LoL, if anything, has a solid foundation and solid fan base, unlike SC2. Thus, it is easier to start off a tournament and make it grow. However, the problem is, how will OGN handle the tournaments/leagues, and will it succeed in the future?

At the moment, it seems like OGN invested some time into LoL, as the new LoL league is taking over OSL time slot (not sure for how long). If it works out well, then it will help the overall scene and make eSports and gaming industry prosperous once again. It's a risk that OGN's willing to take, but it seems like a safe one at the moment.


Also, I'm just going to leave additional photos here:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

[image loading]


I thought my first visit would be many of my visits to MBCgame in the future. Turns out, it became my third last visit.

Oh yeah I'm confident to say that LoL has a solid fanbase. Yeah it's a risk but it's a good thing that LoL is there for them to use to make eSports grow even further. I mean what else could OGN do about this?

Nice pictures by the way XD it's nice that you got the chance to cherish such great memories.
"So I turned the lights off at night and practiced by myself"
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
January 24 2012 16:26 GMT
#22
Regarding match-fixing incident: it was indeed shocking when it was first unveiled. Maybe some of the keener folks saw it coming, based on how suddenly Savior started 'crumbling.' I just think it was coming though, Savior or not. There are always twisted minds trying to squeeze out the cash out of literally anything in the world, and unfortunately, eSports fell into their radar. As analyzed afterwards, the system was pretty exploitable back then. Sports betting was not a new phenomenon back then, and what many failed to recognize with the rise of popularity (of eSports) was the rise responsibility and need for security. We learned about that the hard way, probably the hardest way possible.

What's really sad is that the two main culprits of the incident, Savior and Justin, haven't shown any remorse for their actions even to this date. Those of you that have been following BW news keenly may have came across news like Savior making money off Afreeca (as snm covered in his OP) or Justin tweeting about how wonderful his life is with his gf (off a translated article I don't remember exactly how far back). For us that followed to the very details, we know that former CJ head coach Mr. Cho repeatedly asked Savior regarding his conditions and troubles, already offering forgiveness and a second chance if his suspicions were correct - and we know that Savior flat lied and denied it every time.

We enjoy watching BW and appreciate the scene for what it is. We know how hard the pioneers of this culture worked to create the celebrated history of passionate individuals pursuing their goals. However, for those not so immersed, all they remember is that eSports went down in a big swoop called match-fixing scandal. What the common folks remember about the 'eSports culture' is that there were cheaters, and that it is corrupted.

This is why, in my opinion, that MBCGame's closure (or transition to MBCMusic, if you will) went through swiftly and without any real protest. The men and women with cash do not ignore huge markets that rival the size of any professional sports. On the other hand, the voices and concerns of a small niche market can be conveniently ignored - especially if the alternative choices yield obvious, sizeable, and immediate gains. Sure, thousands still show up to finals and such, but your business does not survive with a niche market of a thousand or two teenagers. When the general public turned their backs on eSports, it was probably obvious to the executives that rebuilding the public's trust was too much of a difficult task. It's actually pretty amazing how OGN is keeping up (and the major sponsors of SKPL teams too) despite the enormous setbacks faced in the few years past.

Anyways, thanks snm for the great in-depth view.
[TLMS] REBOOT
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 9h 36m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
trigger 28
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 20830
Noble 28
Aegong 22
ajuk12(nOOB) 15
Bale 5
League of Legends
JimRising 693
Counter-Strike
summit1g7215
Stewie2K948
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King198
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor105
Other Games
shahzam875
WinterStarcraft385
SortOf8
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick906
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 70
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki59
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota296
League of Legends
• Lourlo1068
• masondota2427
• Stunt387
Upcoming Events
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
9h 36m
Replay Cast
17h 36m
The PondCast
1d 3h
RSL Revival
1d 3h
ByuN vs Classic
Clem vs Cham
WardiTV European League
1d 9h
Replay Cast
1d 17h
RSL Revival
2 days
herO vs SHIN
Reynor vs Cure
WardiTV European League
2 days
FEL
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
FEL
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
FEL
4 days
BSL: ProLeague
4 days
Dewalt vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-06-28
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.