• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:13
CEST 16:13
KST 23:13
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy18ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
$5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy2GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding3Weekly Cups (May 30-Apr 5): herO, Clem, SHIN win0[BSL22] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6
StarCraft 2
General
Quebec Clan still alive ? BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Weekly Cups (May 30-Apr 5): herO, Clem, SHIN win Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding $5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy RSL Season 4 announced for March-April
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion ASL21 General Discussion so ive been playing broodwar for a week straight. Gypsy to Korea Pros React To: JaeDong vs Queen
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group F [BSL22] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CEST
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Muta micro map competition What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game Nintendo Switch Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The China Politics Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Streamers Inspire Gamers…
TrAiDoS
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Electronics
mantequilla
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2045 users

My experience with MBCgame: part 2 and thoughts - Page 2

Blogs > supernovamaniac
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
Sephy90
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1785 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 08:50:20
January 24 2012 08:49 GMT
#21
On January 24 2012 17:41 supernovamaniac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 17:14 Sephy90 wrote:
On January 24 2012 14:16 sharky246 wrote:
I doubt LoL is gonna help korea. I can't help but think that koreans are not charmed by the noob-friendliness of games. I noticed that this game called chaos (dota clone) is quite popular among koreans. Koreans don't seem to have much interest in dota from what i've heard and seen.

When i first saw someone playing chaos, something huge i noticed is the apm. On screen, they played chaos, but looking at his keyboard made it look like he was playing bw or wc3. Looked like 100~150 apm, no spams. Im sure you dont need that many apm for dota. And then there is the case with bw and sc2. Of course, im not sure, but thats the impression that im getting, that they dont want to be catered for.

I've heard of Chaos but I couldn't find any videos~ but I hear it's harder than dota and I THINK I saw a game before on ogn or something.

I'm gonna disagree with you that LoL won't help Korea~ as much as I don't like the game it has a retarded huge fanbase in Korea. I've actually made a LOT of Korean friends just by playing LoL and have met some well known afreeca BJ's who play LoL and just by them broadcasting their games creates more and more fans.

Just by my observation from all this they all really enjoy watching and playing the game and just imagine the other people in PC Bang's n shit o_o.

I've asked some friends if they've tried dota, hon, or knew about dota2 (I think everyone I asked didn't know a thing about dota 2 lol) but they didn't know what it was or BARELY knew about it lolol. Some of the ones that tried/seen dota/hon said it was really hard to play or looked difficult. I'd like to see some Koreans play Dota 2 but with all that love with LoL it might be hard haha.

Also~ I love reading your stuff SNM 5/5 <3


LoL, if anything, has a solid foundation and solid fan base, unlike SC2. Thus, it is easier to start off a tournament and make it grow. However, the problem is, how will OGN handle the tournaments/leagues, and will it succeed in the future?

At the moment, it seems like OGN invested some time into LoL, as the new LoL league is taking over OSL time slot (not sure for how long). If it works out well, then it will help the overall scene and make eSports and gaming industry prosperous once again. It's a risk that OGN's willing to take, but it seems like a safe one at the moment.


Also, I'm just going to leave additional photos here:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

[image loading]


I thought my first visit would be many of my visits to MBCgame in the future. Turns out, it became my third last visit.

Oh yeah I'm confident to say that LoL has a solid fanbase. Yeah it's a risk but it's a good thing that LoL is there for them to use to make eSports grow even further. I mean what else could OGN do about this?

Nice pictures by the way XD it's nice that you got the chance to cherish such great memories.
"So I turned the lights off at night and practiced by myself"
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
January 24 2012 16:26 GMT
#22
Regarding match-fixing incident: it was indeed shocking when it was first unveiled. Maybe some of the keener folks saw it coming, based on how suddenly Savior started 'crumbling.' I just think it was coming though, Savior or not. There are always twisted minds trying to squeeze out the cash out of literally anything in the world, and unfortunately, eSports fell into their radar. As analyzed afterwards, the system was pretty exploitable back then. Sports betting was not a new phenomenon back then, and what many failed to recognize with the rise of popularity (of eSports) was the rise responsibility and need for security. We learned about that the hard way, probably the hardest way possible.

What's really sad is that the two main culprits of the incident, Savior and Justin, haven't shown any remorse for their actions even to this date. Those of you that have been following BW news keenly may have came across news like Savior making money off Afreeca (as snm covered in his OP) or Justin tweeting about how wonderful his life is with his gf (off a translated article I don't remember exactly how far back). For us that followed to the very details, we know that former CJ head coach Mr. Cho repeatedly asked Savior regarding his conditions and troubles, already offering forgiveness and a second chance if his suspicions were correct - and we know that Savior flat lied and denied it every time.

We enjoy watching BW and appreciate the scene for what it is. We know how hard the pioneers of this culture worked to create the celebrated history of passionate individuals pursuing their goals. However, for those not so immersed, all they remember is that eSports went down in a big swoop called match-fixing scandal. What the common folks remember about the 'eSports culture' is that there were cheaters, and that it is corrupted.

This is why, in my opinion, that MBCGame's closure (or transition to MBCMusic, if you will) went through swiftly and without any real protest. The men and women with cash do not ignore huge markets that rival the size of any professional sports. On the other hand, the voices and concerns of a small niche market can be conveniently ignored - especially if the alternative choices yield obvious, sizeable, and immediate gains. Sure, thousands still show up to finals and such, but your business does not survive with a niche market of a thousand or two teenagers. When the general public turned their backs on eSports, it was probably obvious to the executives that rebuilding the public's trust was too much of a difficult task. It's actually pretty amazing how OGN is keeping up (and the major sponsors of SKPL teams too) despite the enormous setbacks faced in the few years past.

Anyways, thanks snm for the great in-depth view.
[TLMS] REBOOT
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Team League
11:00
Playoffs Day 2
WardiTV897
ComeBackTV 587
IndyStarCraft 178
Rex97
3DClanTV 60
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 178
Rex 97
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 59424
Sea 6786
Jaedong 1516
EffOrt 1011
Shuttle 635
Mini 627
Hyuk 504
firebathero 375
Light 355
ggaemo 234
[ Show more ]
Zeus 195
hero 154
Last 98
PianO 92
Sexy 57
Shinee 50
[sc1f]eonzerg 49
ToSsGirL 48
Pusan 40
Hm[arnc] 29
Shine 26
Movie 25
Noble 25
scan(afreeca) 24
910 22
Rock 16
yabsab 14
Sacsri 11
GoRush 10
Icarus 8
Terrorterran 6
Dota 2
Gorgc8423
qojqva1881
syndereN323
Counter-Strike
kennyS2148
fl0m1506
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor171
Other Games
singsing1933
B2W.Neo1473
Lowko381
DeMusliM358
XaKoH 185
RotterdaM119
QueenE68
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL23027
Other Games
BasetradeTV1370
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 61
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2265
• TFBlade1510
Upcoming Events
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
47m
IPSL
1h 47m
Hawk vs TBD
StRyKeR vs TBD
BSL
4h 47m
n0maD vs perroflaco
TerrOr vs ZZZero
MadiNho vs WolFix
DragOn vs LancerX
Sparkling Tuna Cup
19h 47m
WardiTV Team League
20h 47m
OSC
22h 47m
BSL
1d 4h
Sterling vs Azhi_Dahaki
Napoleon vs Mazur
Jimin vs Nesh
spx vs Strudel
IPSL
1d 4h
Artosis vs TBD
Napoleon vs TBD
Replay Cast
1d 18h
Wardi Open
1d 19h
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
1d 19h
Soma vs YSC
Sharp vs sSak
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Snow vs PianO
hero vs Rain
GSL
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Escore
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W2
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W3
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
RSL Revival: Season 5
WardiTV TLMC #16
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.