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funnybananaman
Profile Joined April 2009
United States830 Posts
October 02 2011 19:09 GMT
#201
Fantastic, excellent read. Really interesting stuff
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
October 02 2011 20:24 GMT
#202
I was told Kasparov retired from playing chess, but still teaches it.

Theres a very strong American named Gata Kamsky that could become the best however.

Great article though. Amazed by how well OP related the history of BW to chess, even though the former has been around for a VERY short amount of time compared to chess.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
October 02 2011 21:08 GMT
#203
As fan of both chess and BW, this was an amazing read... I think I recognize your id (whatthefat) from cg.com but I might be wrong..
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 21:20:16
October 02 2011 21:17 GMT
#204
On October 01 2011 06:47 Gruesome wrote:
The only thing I would want to add is that while Kasparov is statistically the best of Chess, he himself has stated that he felt that Bobby was the greatest player ever for his brilliancies and the gap that he created between himself and his "peers".

I remember reading an article from Garry in which he basically accounted for "rating inflation" and showed that at the time that Garry came closest to breaking the 3000 ELO barrier, that Bobby's demolition of his peers, had the average ratings been similar to the time of the article, would have put Bobby around 3200...

I think in the long run that Garry's prolonged dominance and ground-breaking research with Chess databases give him a very strong argument as "best ever". But I like to remind people that for the brief time that Bobby was on top, his like had never been seen before or since.

Too bad he was nuts... (or maybe the two were hand-in-hand)


Do you have a link? -- This is the only interview of Kasparov Re:Fischer that I found.
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1798

Basically he thought Fischer did not accept a match with Karpov because he was afraid to lose -- he hadn't played chess in three years.

Anyway, all those comparisons between players of different eras are completely bogus and useless.
Still, Fischer was such a hard worker, it took the coming of the computer era to produce another Fischer-like player -- Carlsen.. which comes back to the OP's point
EnderSword
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada669 Posts
October 03 2011 04:53 GMT
#205
Probably coolest thing I've read on this forum,

I'm someone interested in chess who didn't play Brood war, but I've been trying to get into watching it and learning the history of it, so this is pretty awesome.
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BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
October 03 2011 07:56 GMT
#206
5/5
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
October 03 2011 08:15 GMT
#207
Great read, but didn't shark invent muta micro? Kind of unfair to take away his only major contribution...
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phyllis
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark41 Posts
October 03 2011 14:21 GMT
#208
On October 01 2011 02:59 Ack1027 wrote:
As someone who is somewhat interested in the chess world and heavily invested in bw progaming this was a very cool article to read.

Got me to wiki a lot of the older chess players I have never heard about.

Also interesting to note that even though there are many similarities it doesn't look like korean's hold on bw will ever loosen simply due to bw's popularity level. Whereas Russians hold has been slipping.

Only criticism I would have is that I'm not sure what I'm exactly supposed to take away from the graphs. That they had similar performances? Oh..and the overexaggeration of savior but pretty much everyone on TL does this.


I think the OP meant that at the time sAviOr started to dominate, the TvZ matchup heavily favored Terran, due to the maps etc. From what I understand at the time Bobby Fischer was around, chess was dominated by the russians, and he was the first american world champion in chess.
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Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
October 03 2011 15:42 GMT
#209
Good read and nice comparison between BW and Chess ;p
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
October 03 2011 16:04 GMT
#210
On October 03 2011 17:15 Fontong wrote:
Great read, but didn't shark invent muta micro? Kind of unfair to take away his only major contribution...


Shark didn't "invent muta micro". he discovered muta stacking, which was developed much further by his teammate July.
I drop suckas like Plinko
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 16:19:11
October 03 2011 16:16 GMT
#211
On October 01 2011 02:59 Ack1027 wrote:
As someone who is somewhat interested in the chess world and heavily invested in bw progaming this was a very cool article to read.

Got me to wiki a lot of the older chess players I have never heard about.

Also interesting to note that even though there are many similarities it doesn't look like korean's hold on bw will ever loosen simply due to bw's popularity level. Whereas Russians hold has been slipping.

Only criticism I would have is that I'm not sure what I'm exactly supposed to take away from the graphs. That they had similar performances? Oh..and the overexaggeration of savior but pretty much everyone on TL does this.


Heh... You must have missed the fact that he was the only zerg player winning 'anything' for 20 months or so...
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
October 03 2011 17:16 GMT
#212
Amazing article. Chess is of course a much more advanced game strategically, but paradoxically it's hard to program the Starcraft equivalent of Deep Blue: an AI that can beat progamers. Maybe there could be one if professional programmers did it?
TheSurgeonTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States131 Posts
October 03 2011 22:18 GMT
#213
great article man, i wish chess was televised more
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Gruesome
Profile Joined September 2002
United States84 Posts
October 04 2011 00:33 GMT
#214
On October 03 2011 06:17 s4life wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 06:47 Gruesome wrote:
The only thing I would want to add is that while Kasparov is statistically the best of Chess, he himself has stated that he felt that Bobby was the greatest player ever for his brilliancies and the gap that he created between himself and his "peers".

I remember reading an article from Garry in which he basically accounted for "rating inflation" and showed that at the time that Garry came closest to breaking the 3000 ELO barrier, that Bobby's demolition of his peers, had the average ratings been similar to the time of the article, would have put Bobby around 3200...

I think in the long run that Garry's prolonged dominance and ground-breaking research with Chess databases give him a very strong argument as "best ever". But I like to remind people that for the brief time that Bobby was on top, his like had never been seen before or since.

Too bad he was nuts... (or maybe the two were hand-in-hand)


Do you have a link? -- This is the only interview of Kasparov Re:Fischer that I found.
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1798

Basically he thought Fischer did not accept a match with Karpov because he was afraid to lose -- he hadn't played chess in three years.


Sorry, no link. Just a very old memory of reading it in a publication. (Pre-web)

I think I might still have a decade of Chess Life from the 80s in the basement somewhere.
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Scrutinizer
Profile Joined April 2011
170 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 13:40:04
October 04 2011 16:38 GMT
#215
Great post!

The thing that I disagree with the most is well put by the comment below.

On October 01 2011 16:39 oBlade wrote:
There is a small problem because stylistically Kasparov should be analogous to Jaedong and Karpov would be Flash, but in terms of Kasparov supplanting Karpov, Flash replaced Jaedong at the top. sAviOr/Fischer is especially apt. Particularly the intrigue they still inspire even when no longer playing their games professionally.

I wonder where Petrosian and Spassky fit, as Midas and Nal_ra? (Pringles 1).
khaosis
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada96 Posts
October 04 2011 17:07 GMT
#216
Absolutely fantastic article. The rise and fall of Fischer compared to Saviour is uncannily similar and intriguing.
Alea Iacta Est
Muffinman53
Profile Joined November 2010
571 Posts
October 05 2011 04:06 GMT
#217
Searching for Bobby Fischer is one of my favorite movies of all time and this is one of my favorite blogs of all time
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3616 Posts
October 05 2011 20:24 GMT
#218
That's a sweet article - well-earned front page.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
Kiarip
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1835 Posts
October 05 2011 21:55 GMT
#219
I think Anderssen needs to be replaced with Chigorin, as Steinitz's/Boxer's rival
nimiedad
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany11 Posts
October 05 2011 21:59 GMT
#220
THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME. I think this might be the best article about esports i have ever read.
Really nice work.
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