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On May 28 2011 13:31 D10 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 13:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I disagree with faith being universal. One does not need to believe things based on faith; one can most certainly only accept things that have evidence for existing.
And are you really saying that if Christianity is correct, than reincarnation exists? o.O That's not how it works. Well jesus himself droped the R bomb on top of a whole religious following, id like to see how you run from his statement about John the baptist being Elias Regarding faith, you can have faith in yourself, in a project, in science, in someone else, in a way of living.You might think you made a purely rational decision by only believing in what you can attest, but at the same time you could be one of those guys who was completely and utterly sure that the earth was flat and the sun orbited around it. Faith is universal.
Sorry, but having faith in science or a person is certainly not the same as having supernatural faith. You're equivocating two completely different definitions. To say that I have "faith" in science or math or my friends is based on empirical evidence and actual proof. To say that a religious person has "faith" that a snake actually talked in Genesis, or that a man named Adam actually lived to be 900 years old has absolutely no rationale behind it whatsoever. That's religious faith, as opposed to the other type, which are accepting conclusions that follow logically from empirical evidence and actual proof.
Faith is not universal; you can simply choose to not believe claims that don't yet have evidence defending them. It's really not that hard. If you hear a claim that sounds ridiculous, you ask for evidence. If there isn't any evidence, or the argument isn't convincing enough, then you don't accept the claim. Period.
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On May 28 2011 13:35 D10 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 13:30 ClysmiC wrote:Jesus wouldnt even be able to spread his religion to a bunch of post stone age fisherman from the desert if he didnt use such bland and generic allegories to illustrate his points, how could he possibly explain all the intricacies of cause and effect, when his listeners wouldnt understand half of it. It's a bit of a pitfall to believe that just because it happened a long time ago, that the people were any stupider than you and I. In fact, I honestly believe that without all of the laziness and media brainwashing that goes on today, people back then were likely smarter. Jesus uses parables because, like you said, no finite being could understand the intricacies, including you or I. And I do not believe in reincaration (separate from resurrection) because the bible does not say anything about it. It says you will either have life for eternity in heaven, or death for eternity. Also, I do not believe that Jesus was the only prophet, but I do believe that any "prophet" outside of the one's in the bible are false. Firstly, I am cautious because the bible warns many times against false prophets. Secondly, I believe that the bible's creation as a book was guided by God, so there will be no omissions. I believe this because 1) The bible says it is God-breathed (which is technically circular logic, so that argument doesn't stand completely on its own) and 2) because the different books of the bible were written over a 1000+ year period, by over 40 authors, almost all of whom have never met each other. Yet, every single book is consistent with all of the others, and countless Old Testament prophecies come true in the New Testament. This could not be conspired, due to the amount of time and people who wrote the bible without meeting each other. It also could not be chance, for the same reasons. The only explanation is the one offered by the bible: that it is God-breathed. Thus, I believe that every book of the bible is canon: no more, no less. Also, the bible claims that no words should be added or diminished from it. So I believe the words of the bible, no more, no less. While I'm unfamiliar with Allan Kardec, I do not believe he could have been a prophet. Also, I do not believe in reincarnation as the bible clearly states that the only options are eternal life or eternal death. Allan Kardec was not a profet, he just sent letters to mediums across france, asking questions about life, death, god, the medium phenomenae and etc... All the mediums from all over france that had never talked to each other, answered the exacly same letters, word by word, even the hand writing was the same. All signed, the spirit of truth. try reading the gospels according to spiritism, its an awesome book, full of wisdom
I'll look into Allan Kardec and spiritism. I'll admit that I don't know enough about it to carry this discussion much further. Also, I'm all for understanding other religions and philosophies, as I usually find that they only strengthen my faith in my own. And if I want other people to listen and consider my thoughts, it is only fair that I do the exact same to their thoughts.
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On May 28 2011 13:37 ClysmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 13:16 TOloseGT wrote:On May 28 2011 13:10 ClysmiC wrote:On May 28 2011 13:05 Oreo7 wrote:
Religion's much easier to understand when you realize it's fantasy. Every single of aspect of life is much, much harder to understand when you rule out the existence of God. Convincing yourself to believe secular explanations is a greater leap of faith than believing a religious one. You missed something between "harder to understand" and "greater leap of faith". Tell me something, if you believe in God, why aren't you using that God given brain of yours to educate yourself? Funny you should mention that, but I have a 4.5+ GPA and am ranked 4th in my class. I am very educated in the scientific details of life, and in my opinion they only confirm my faith. Science only reinforces the bible. You tell me how random chance can create perfect conditions for life, and also make DNA (which is far more complex than the computer that you are typing on) out of inorganic matter. Then tell me how that inorganic matter was created out of nothing. In order for anything to exist, something has to be eternal. I say that that eternal thing is God. Your idea of science says that there isn't anything eternal. Anyway, back to the DNA thing. If you saw something simple, like a watch, you would never even begin to think that it was made by nature. Yet human beings and other life forms that are millions of times more complex than that watch were? Doesn't add up to me...
That's all good and well, and although I disagree with you on all those points, none of them even affirm your hypothesis of Christianity, just the need for something to always have been there, which I think is a perfectly reasonable claim. You just for some reason thinks that thing is named God and that he sent his son down to earth to die and then be turned into crackers or w/e, I think it was matter.
Also, given infinite time, you get infinite possibilities, and therefore eventually get DNA.
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God's design is not an obvious accommodation of "infinite love" in the way that you're presenting it. The theology that rises from Judaism and Christianity is anything but the wishy washy good feeling happy ending for everyone new-age bullshit. There is nothing obvious about God in Judeo-Christianity. Even Christ, who you hold to such a high esteem, said so. To say that God is obvious when you quote from Judeo-Christianity is like expressing out loud that one doesn't get it.
Kierkegaard
Woe to him therefore, who preaches Christianity without the possibility of offense. Woe to the person who smoothly, flirtatiously, commendingly, convincingly preaches some soft, sweet something which is supposed to be Christianity!
... take away from Christianity the possibility of offense or take away from the forgiveness of sin the battle of an anguished conscience. Then lock the churches, the sooner the better, or turn them into places of amusement which stand open all day long!
Merde.
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On May 28 2011 13:41 Oreo7 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 13:37 ClysmiC wrote:On May 28 2011 13:16 TOloseGT wrote:On May 28 2011 13:10 ClysmiC wrote:On May 28 2011 13:05 Oreo7 wrote:
Religion's much easier to understand when you realize it's fantasy. Every single of aspect of life is much, much harder to understand when you rule out the existence of God. Convincing yourself to believe secular explanations is a greater leap of faith than believing a religious one. You missed something between "harder to understand" and "greater leap of faith". Tell me something, if you believe in God, why aren't you using that God given brain of yours to educate yourself? Funny you should mention that, but I have a 4.5+ GPA and am ranked 4th in my class. I am very educated in the scientific details of life, and in my opinion they only confirm my faith. Science only reinforces the bible. You tell me how random chance can create perfect conditions for life, and also make DNA (which is far more complex than the computer that you are typing on) out of inorganic matter. Then tell me how that inorganic matter was created out of nothing. In order for anything to exist, something has to be eternal. I say that that eternal thing is God. Your idea of science says that there isn't anything eternal. Anyway, back to the DNA thing. If you saw something simple, like a watch, you would never even begin to think that it was made by nature. Yet human beings and other life forms that are millions of times more complex than that watch were? Doesn't add up to me... That's all good and well, and although I disagree with you on all those points, none of them even affirm your hypothesis of Christianity, just the need for something to always have been there, which I think is a perfectly reasonable claim. You just for some reason thinks that thing is named God and that he sent his son down to earth to die and then be turned into crackers or w/e, I think it was matter. Also, given infinite time, you get infinite possibilities, and therefore eventually get DNA.
Read my post on page 2 about why I believe in the historical and spiritual accuracy of the bible, and it will explain why I chose my set of beliefs. I did not arbitrarily choose God and Christianity over Mohammed and Islam. I did so by considering factual evidence.
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On May 28 2011 13:37 ClysmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 13:16 TOloseGT wrote:On May 28 2011 13:10 ClysmiC wrote:On May 28 2011 13:05 Oreo7 wrote:
Religion's much easier to understand when you realize it's fantasy. Every single of aspect of life is much, much harder to understand when you rule out the existence of God. Convincing yourself to believe secular explanations is a greater leap of faith than believing a religious one. You missed something between "harder to understand" and "greater leap of faith". Tell me something, if you believe in God, why aren't you using that God given brain of yours to educate yourself? Funny you should mention that, but I have a 4.5+ GPA and am ranked 4th in my class. I am very educated in the scientific details of life, and in my opinion they only confirm my faith. Science only reinforces the bible. You tell me how random chance can create perfect conditions for life, and also make DNA (which is far more complex than the computer that you are typing on) out of inorganic matter. Then tell me how that inorganic matter was created out of nothing. In order for anything to exist, something has to be eternal. I say that that eternal thing is God. Your idea of science says that there isn't anything eternal. Anyway, back to the DNA thing. If you saw something simple, like a watch, you would never even begin to think that it was made by nature. Yet human beings and other life forms that are millions of times more complex than that watch were? Doesn't add up to me...
I like you =)
even einstein knew it
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clysmic is going on a holy war against these nerds. To bad he is so dumb lol.
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On May 28 2011 13:44 ClysmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 13:41 Oreo7 wrote:On May 28 2011 13:37 ClysmiC wrote:On May 28 2011 13:16 TOloseGT wrote:On May 28 2011 13:10 ClysmiC wrote:On May 28 2011 13:05 Oreo7 wrote:
Religion's much easier to understand when you realize it's fantasy. Every single of aspect of life is much, much harder to understand when you rule out the existence of God. Convincing yourself to believe secular explanations is a greater leap of faith than believing a religious one. You missed something between "harder to understand" and "greater leap of faith". Tell me something, if you believe in God, why aren't you using that God given brain of yours to educate yourself? Funny you should mention that, but I have a 4.5+ GPA and am ranked 4th in my class. I am very educated in the scientific details of life, and in my opinion they only confirm my faith. Science only reinforces the bible. You tell me how random chance can create perfect conditions for life, and also make DNA (which is far more complex than the computer that you are typing on) out of inorganic matter. Then tell me how that inorganic matter was created out of nothing. In order for anything to exist, something has to be eternal. I say that that eternal thing is God. Your idea of science says that there isn't anything eternal. Anyway, back to the DNA thing. If you saw something simple, like a watch, you would never even begin to think that it was made by nature. Yet human beings and other life forms that are millions of times more complex than that watch were? Doesn't add up to me... That's all good and well, and although I disagree with you on all those points, none of them even affirm your hypothesis of Christianity, just the need for something to always have been there, which I think is a perfectly reasonable claim. You just for some reason thinks that thing is named God and that he sent his son down to earth to die and then be turned into crackers or w/e, I think it was matter. Also, given infinite time, you get infinite possibilities, and therefore eventually get DNA. Read my post on page 2 about why I believe in the historical and spiritual accuracy of the bible, and it will explain why I chose my set of beliefs. I did not arbitrarily choose God and Christianity over Mohammed and Islam. I did so by considering factual evidence.
I'm afraid I don't see where. And also choosing Christianity over Islam isn't the same as explaining why Christianity is valid while NO other religion is.
My question: What fact proves the existence of Jesus and the Holy trinity but disproves the existence of Odin and the mountain giants? And also disproves any other god that I could possibly imagine up.
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On May 28 2011 13:37 ClysmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 13:16 TOloseGT wrote:On May 28 2011 13:10 ClysmiC wrote:On May 28 2011 13:05 Oreo7 wrote:
Religion's much easier to understand when you realize it's fantasy. Every single of aspect of life is much, much harder to understand when you rule out the existence of God. Convincing yourself to believe secular explanations is a greater leap of faith than believing a religious one. You missed something between "harder to understand" and "greater leap of faith". Tell me something, if you believe in God, why aren't you using that God given brain of yours to educate yourself? Funny you should mention that, but I have a 4.5+ GPA and am ranked 4th in my class. I am very educated in the scientific details of life, and in my opinion they only confirm my faith. Science only reinforces the bible. You tell me how random chance can create perfect conditions for life, and also make DNA (which is far more complex than the computer that you are typing on) out of inorganic matter. Then tell me how that inorganic matter was created out of nothing. In order for anything to exist, something has to be eternal. I say that that eternal thing is God. Your idea of science says that there isn't anything eternal. Anyway, back to the DNA thing. If you saw something simple, like a watch, you would never even begin to think that it was made by nature. Yet human beings and other life forms that are millions of times more complex than that watch were? Doesn't add up to me...
With your education, surely you're aware that you're committing an argument from authority logical fallacy... on yourself.
Science reinforces the Bible? I'm fairly certain that Genesis conflicts with our current understanding of evolution and abiogenesis. With all of the allegory and supernatural parts of the Bible, it's pretty hard to make the case that the Bible is scientifically relevant in the slightest. It's an outdated book of morals. That's a little better.
And your explanation of how living things came to be shows your ignorance on the subject, so your marks in school are irrelevant. I had marks similar to yours, and I'm sure plenty of other people around here did too. It doesn't sound like you've studied biology in depth though.
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On May 28 2011 13:47 jaybee wrote:
clysmic is going on a holy war against these nerds. To bad he is so dumb lol.
I'm simply stating my beliefs and reasoning, just like everyone else. Just because they are different than everyone else's, it doesn't give you reason to insult me. Feel free to argue, stating reasons and support. Saying "you're dumb" gives me the impression that you don't have any reasonable counterargument for your disagreement.
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On May 28 2011 13:45 D10 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 13:37 ClysmiC wrote:On May 28 2011 13:16 TOloseGT wrote:On May 28 2011 13:10 ClysmiC wrote:On May 28 2011 13:05 Oreo7 wrote:
Religion's much easier to understand when you realize it's fantasy. Every single of aspect of life is much, much harder to understand when you rule out the existence of God. Convincing yourself to believe secular explanations is a greater leap of faith than believing a religious one. You missed something between "harder to understand" and "greater leap of faith". Tell me something, if you believe in God, why aren't you using that God given brain of yours to educate yourself? Funny you should mention that, but I have a 4.5+ GPA and am ranked 4th in my class. I am very educated in the scientific details of life, and in my opinion they only confirm my faith. Science only reinforces the bible. You tell me how random chance can create perfect conditions for life, and also make DNA (which is far more complex than the computer that you are typing on) out of inorganic matter. Then tell me how that inorganic matter was created out of nothing. In order for anything to exist, something has to be eternal. I say that that eternal thing is God. Your idea of science says that there isn't anything eternal. Anyway, back to the DNA thing. If you saw something simple, like a watch, you would never even begin to think that it was made by nature. Yet human beings and other life forms that are millions of times more complex than that watch were? Doesn't add up to me... I like you =) even einstein knew it
o.O Einstein wasn't a Christian. He wasn't even a theist. Argument from authority?
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On May 28 2011 13:44 koreasilver wrote:God's design is not an obvious accommodation of "infinite love" in the way that you're presenting it. The theology that rises from Judaism and Christianity is anything but the wishy washy good feeling happy ending for everyone new-age bullshit. There is nothing obvious about God in Judeo-Christianity. Even Christ, who you hold to such a high esteem, said so. To say that God is obvious when you quote from Judeo-Christianity is like expressing out loud that one doesn't get it. Show nested quote +Kierkegaard
Woe to him therefore, who preaches Christianity without the possibility of offense. Woe to the person who smoothly, flirtatiously, commendingly, convincingly preaches some soft, sweet something which is supposed to be Christianity!
... take away from Christianity the possibility of offense or take away from the forgiveness of sin the battle of an anguished conscience. Then lock the churches, the sooner the better, or turn them into places of amusement which stand open all day long! Merde.
Sure by your texts and references, that view must probably be true.
I dont hold the canon is such a high regard, my view of god is more based on meditation, life changing spiritual experiences who made me get closer to god, and the gospel according to spiritism.
My view, should not be seen, as drawn from there.
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On May 28 2011 13:51 ClysmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 13:47 jaybee wrote:
clysmic is going on a holy war against these nerds. To bad he is so dumb lol. I'm simply stating my beliefs and reasoning, just like everyone else. Just because they are different than everyone else's, it doesn't give you reason to insult me. Feel free to argue, stating reasons and support. Saying "you're dumb" gives me the impression that you don't have any reasonable counterargument for your disagreement.
Ideas get argued. Foaming at the mouth gets 'insulted'. You give Scientifically literate Christians a bad name. I just hope your a good troll.
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On May 28 2011 13:45 D10 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 13:37 ClysmiC wrote:On May 28 2011 13:16 TOloseGT wrote:On May 28 2011 13:10 ClysmiC wrote:On May 28 2011 13:05 Oreo7 wrote:
Religion's much easier to understand when you realize it's fantasy. Every single of aspect of life is much, much harder to understand when you rule out the existence of God. Convincing yourself to believe secular explanations is a greater leap of faith than believing a religious one. You missed something between "harder to understand" and "greater leap of faith". Tell me something, if you believe in God, why aren't you using that God given brain of yours to educate yourself? Funny you should mention that, but I have a 4.5+ GPA and am ranked 4th in my class. I am very educated in the scientific details of life, and in my opinion they only confirm my faith. Science only reinforces the bible. You tell me how random chance can create perfect conditions for life, and also make DNA (which is far more complex than the computer that you are typing on) out of inorganic matter. Then tell me how that inorganic matter was created out of nothing. In order for anything to exist, something has to be eternal. I say that that eternal thing is God. Your idea of science says that there isn't anything eternal. Anyway, back to the DNA thing. If you saw something simple, like a watch, you would never even begin to think that it was made by nature. Yet human beings and other life forms that are millions of times more complex than that watch were? Doesn't add up to me... I like you =) even einstein knew it
I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. http://www.lettersofnote.com/2009/10/word-god-is-product-of-human-weakness.html
^_^
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On May 28 2011 13:49 Oreo7 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 13:44 ClysmiC wrote:On May 28 2011 13:41 Oreo7 wrote:On May 28 2011 13:37 ClysmiC wrote:On May 28 2011 13:16 TOloseGT wrote:On May 28 2011 13:10 ClysmiC wrote:On May 28 2011 13:05 Oreo7 wrote:
Religion's much easier to understand when you realize it's fantasy. Every single of aspect of life is much, much harder to understand when you rule out the existence of God. Convincing yourself to believe secular explanations is a greater leap of faith than believing a religious one. You missed something between "harder to understand" and "greater leap of faith". Tell me something, if you believe in God, why aren't you using that God given brain of yours to educate yourself? Funny you should mention that, but I have a 4.5+ GPA and am ranked 4th in my class. I am very educated in the scientific details of life, and in my opinion they only confirm my faith. Science only reinforces the bible. You tell me how random chance can create perfect conditions for life, and also make DNA (which is far more complex than the computer that you are typing on) out of inorganic matter. Then tell me how that inorganic matter was created out of nothing. In order for anything to exist, something has to be eternal. I say that that eternal thing is God. Your idea of science says that there isn't anything eternal. Anyway, back to the DNA thing. If you saw something simple, like a watch, you would never even begin to think that it was made by nature. Yet human beings and other life forms that are millions of times more complex than that watch were? Doesn't add up to me... That's all good and well, and although I disagree with you on all those points, none of them even affirm your hypothesis of Christianity, just the need for something to always have been there, which I think is a perfectly reasonable claim. You just for some reason thinks that thing is named God and that he sent his son down to earth to die and then be turned into crackers or w/e, I think it was matter. Also, given infinite time, you get infinite possibilities, and therefore eventually get DNA. Read my post on page 2 about why I believe in the historical and spiritual accuracy of the bible, and it will explain why I chose my set of beliefs. I did not arbitrarily choose God and Christianity over Mohammed and Islam. I did so by considering factual evidence. I'm afraid I don't see where. And also choosing Christianity over Islam isn't the same as explaining why Christianity is valid while NO other religion is. My question: What fact proves the existence of Jesus and the Holy trinity but disproves the existence of Odin and the mountain giants? And also disproves any other god that I could possibly imagine up.
+ Show Spoiler +because the different books of the bible were written over a 1000+ year period, by over 40 authors, almost all of whom have never met each other. Yet, every single book is consistent with all of the others, and countless Old Testament prophecies come true in the New Testament. This could not be conspired, due to the amount of time and people who wrote the bible without meeting each other. It also could not be chance, for the same reasons. The only explanation is the one offered by the bible: that it is God-breathed. Thus, I believe that every book of the bible is canon: no more, no less. Also, the bible claims that no words should be added or diminished from it.
Plasmaball, I never said that current scientific theories coincide with biblical explanations. I said that scientific facts support biblical explanations better than they support scientific theories.
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On May 28 2011 13:54 jaybee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 13:51 ClysmiC wrote:On May 28 2011 13:47 jaybee wrote:
clysmic is going on a holy war against these nerds. To bad he is so dumb lol. I'm simply stating my beliefs and reasoning, just like everyone else. Just because they are different than everyone else's, it doesn't give you reason to insult me. Feel free to argue, stating reasons and support. Saying "you're dumb" gives me the impression that you don't have any reasonable counterargument for your disagreement. Ideas get argued. Foaming at the mouth gets 'insulted'. You give Scientifically literate Christians a bad name. I just hope your a good troll.
Coherent sentences please? D:
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On May 28 2011 12:22 D10 wrote:
Simply put, standard jewish-christian religious culture believes we got only 1 shot to make outselves worthy of illumination, heaven, etc...
But what about autists, and other people who suffer from severe mental disabilities and can barely experience the world, why their 1 shot is a horrible experience at life, one where he couldnt even be properly held accountable by his actions, how could this kind of existance be reasonably justified in their system ? well im sure you all heard a few explanations.
But in my opinion, theres just a failure of concept there, if we are really working with a god that has infinite love, inteligence, and power, he would have a very specific reason for someone to be born in such a horrible contition, and in my mind that is punishment.
how difficult would it be for him, to program the universe with a system of kharma, so people can be born, make their mistakes, and then be born again, and pay for them in a way that allows them to keep evolving.
We think we know love, but big religious heads cant fathom how many chances god will really give us, just dont stay away from god to stay away from church, they are not the same,
With churches you either surrender to their house of faith or you are utterly lost and godless, and theres no middle ground, nowdays I feel theres less to gain visiting the church than simply maintaining a health work ethic, morally speaking.
Religion is cultural
Faith is universal
Reencarnation seems absurd at first, but if there is an almighty and powerfull god that wants us to experience material life to achieve illumation Ill take a leap of faith and say that, our daddy would give us some coins to continue playing.
No, your logic is missing some scenarios.
First of all, our idea of fairness may be incorrect in the eyes of god.
But imo, a more interesting idea is that we all are in fact fairly/equally designed to achieve divinity/illumination. Meaning that it's something that's independent of all of our physical, intellectual and emotional qualities in which we are all different. Since we are all completely different the only thing that obviously pops out as something we can all do equally is be ourselves, so in the end it just boils down to doing what you think is the right thing to do in light of who you are.
Become the person you want to be you know? That type of stuff.
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On May 28 2011 13:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 13:45 D10 wrote:On May 28 2011 13:37 ClysmiC wrote:On May 28 2011 13:16 TOloseGT wrote:On May 28 2011 13:10 ClysmiC wrote:On May 28 2011 13:05 Oreo7 wrote:
Religion's much easier to understand when you realize it's fantasy. Every single of aspect of life is much, much harder to understand when you rule out the existence of God. Convincing yourself to believe secular explanations is a greater leap of faith than believing a religious one. You missed something between "harder to understand" and "greater leap of faith". Tell me something, if you believe in God, why aren't you using that God given brain of yours to educate yourself? Funny you should mention that, but I have a 4.5+ GPA and am ranked 4th in my class. I am very educated in the scientific details of life, and in my opinion they only confirm my faith. Science only reinforces the bible. You tell me how random chance can create perfect conditions for life, and also make DNA (which is far more complex than the computer that you are typing on) out of inorganic matter. Then tell me how that inorganic matter was created out of nothing. In order for anything to exist, something has to be eternal. I say that that eternal thing is God. Your idea of science says that there isn't anything eternal. Anyway, back to the DNA thing. If you saw something simple, like a watch, you would never even begin to think that it was made by nature. Yet human beings and other life forms that are millions of times more complex than that watch were? Doesn't add up to me... I like you =) even einstein knew it o.O Einstein wasn't a Christian. He wasn't even a theist. Argument from authority?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Political_and_religious_views
To say that he wasant even a theist is pushing it too far.
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On May 28 2011 13:54 ClysmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2011 13:49 Oreo7 wrote:On May 28 2011 13:44 ClysmiC wrote:On May 28 2011 13:41 Oreo7 wrote:On May 28 2011 13:37 ClysmiC wrote:On May 28 2011 13:16 TOloseGT wrote:On May 28 2011 13:10 ClysmiC wrote:On May 28 2011 13:05 Oreo7 wrote:
Religion's much easier to understand when you realize it's fantasy. Every single of aspect of life is much, much harder to understand when you rule out the existence of God. Convincing yourself to believe secular explanations is a greater leap of faith than believing a religious one. You missed something between "harder to understand" and "greater leap of faith". Tell me something, if you believe in God, why aren't you using that God given brain of yours to educate yourself? Funny you should mention that, but I have a 4.5+ GPA and am ranked 4th in my class. I am very educated in the scientific details of life, and in my opinion they only confirm my faith. Science only reinforces the bible. You tell me how random chance can create perfect conditions for life, and also make DNA (which is far more complex than the computer that you are typing on) out of inorganic matter. Then tell me how that inorganic matter was created out of nothing. In order for anything to exist, something has to be eternal. I say that that eternal thing is God. Your idea of science says that there isn't anything eternal. Anyway, back to the DNA thing. If you saw something simple, like a watch, you would never even begin to think that it was made by nature. Yet human beings and other life forms that are millions of times more complex than that watch were? Doesn't add up to me... That's all good and well, and although I disagree with you on all those points, none of them even affirm your hypothesis of Christianity, just the need for something to always have been there, which I think is a perfectly reasonable claim. You just for some reason thinks that thing is named God and that he sent his son down to earth to die and then be turned into crackers or w/e, I think it was matter. Also, given infinite time, you get infinite possibilities, and therefore eventually get DNA. Read my post on page 2 about why I believe in the historical and spiritual accuracy of the bible, and it will explain why I chose my set of beliefs. I did not arbitrarily choose God and Christianity over Mohammed and Islam. I did so by considering factual evidence. I'm afraid I don't see where. And also choosing Christianity over Islam isn't the same as explaining why Christianity is valid while NO other religion is. My question: What fact proves the existence of Jesus and the Holy trinity but disproves the existence of Odin and the mountain giants? And also disproves any other god that I could possibly imagine up. + Show Spoiler +because the different books of the bible were written over a 1000+ year period, by over 40 authors, almost all of whom have never met each other. Yet, every single book is consistent with all of the others, and countless Old Testament prophecies come true in the New Testament. This could not be conspired, due to the amount of time and people who wrote the bible without meeting each other. It also could not be chance, for the same reasons. The only explanation is the one offered by the bible: that it is God-breathed. Thus, I believe that every book of the bible is canon: no more, no less. Also, the bible claims that no words should be added or diminished from it. Plasmaball, I never said that current scientific theories coincide with biblical explanations. I said that scientific facts support biblical explanations better than they support scientific theories.
Whoa, whoa, WHOA. You're arguing the Bible is true on the basis of its consistency?!
First of all, it's not consistent. It's actually very inconsistent.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/inconsistencies.html <- yes a biased source, but all KJV bible quotes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_consistency_of_the_Bible <- wiki page on the differences in translations etc.
Secondly, something being consistent with something else doesn't prove both facts. Star Wars can be seen as "consistent" with Harry Potter because it took place a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. That doesn't mean we have to be worried about Voldemort.
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O contending peoples and kindreds of the earth! Set your faces towards unity, and let the radiance of its light shine upon you. Gather ye together, and for the sake of God resolve to root out whatever is the source of contention amongst you. Then will the effulgence of the world’s great Luminary envelop the whole earth, and its inhabitants become the citizens of one city, and the occupants of one and the same throne. This wronged One hath, ever since the early days of His life, cherished none other desire but this, and will continue to entertain no wish except this wish. There can be no doubt whatever that the peoples of the world, of whatever race or religion, derive their inspiration from one heavenly Source, and are the subjects of one God. The difference between the ordinances under which they abide should be attributed to the varying requirements and exigencies of the age in which they were revealed. All of them, except a few which are the outcome of human perversity, were ordained of God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose. Arise and, armed with the power of faith, shatter to pieces the gods of your vain imaginings, the sowers of dissension amongst you. Cleave unto that which draweth you together and uniteth you. This, verily, is the most exalted Word which the Mother Book hath sent down and revealed unto you. To this beareth witness the Tongue of Grandeur from His habitation of glory.
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