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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9016 Posts
April 10 2011 17:56 GMT
#1
It's way too easy for players to just open up a livestream on their 2nd monitor and literally stream hack during fairly important matches late in tournaments with prizes on the line.

It's highly annoying as a competitor to constantly have to worry about this. I don't stream and I've been told it's really hard if not impossible to set up a delay to the stream with a majority of the streaming sites out there. Regardless this is still an issue that is really annoying to have to worry about and deal with.

I wish I could just trust people would do the right thing and actually want to play a fair competitive game, but I obviously can't. With the amount of online tournaments there are for sc2 and the number of streams and streamers that broadcast live matches as they happen this issue probably happens more than I want to know. It's really sad that players would cheat by watching streams or even just listening to the caster while they stream. There's almost no way to prevent this or definitively prove it either which is also pretty annoying. I can watch replays of games and literally watch as the other player "blindly" hard counters a build or "luckily" scouts a dropship with a probe and wonder if it was really luck or if he's listening the entire time while the caster is describing the build...

I don't know what I'm really trying to do with this post other than rant a bit on an issue that isn't talked about too much but is extremely problematic with online events imo. It's making me paranoid to play any live streamed match. I really wish blizzard would incorporate group replay watching so multiple casters could log into the same replay as soon as a game finishes. Or that livestream sites would make it easy to broadcast on a 2-3 minute delay at least.

I guess the only consolation I have is the guys who stream hack out there and win know they didn't win legit. I'm not here to accuse anyone outright of stream hacking but I will say I feel its happened to me at least twice in the past couple weeks. And I don't even play in that many events maybe one or two a week.

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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 18:01:03
April 10 2011 17:58 GMT
#2
Own3D.tv, provides an 30-second to 420-second delay in their streams.
Edit: getting a screenshot.

[image loading]
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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 18:04:55
April 10 2011 18:00 GMT
#3
Ya it is still crazy that so many casters cast with almost no delay, whereas in BW all streams had at least like a 2 minute delay.

Edit: Wow, if it's that easy to set up a delay all casters should have 120 sec delay minimum!
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
April 10 2011 18:05 GMT
#4
Well, stream interaction has been a big part of SC2 so far. It's just sad those shit bags are out there. :/
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Redunzl
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
862 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 18:06:47
April 10 2011 18:05 GMT
#5
I have thought this as well. Not really my place to say anything but of course any player who regularly participates in streamed events has to be concerned about "streaming" in this age of multi-monitors and high mb connections.

On April 11 2011 03:05 Jibba wrote:
Well, stream interaction has been a big part of SC2 so far. It's just sad those shit bags are out there. :/


There's always gonna be shit bags so it's best to make a shit shield. Unless you like getting hit with the shit bat.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
April 10 2011 18:23 GMT
#6
Putting the issue of it aside, I believe hacking is not the word you probably wanted to use, cheating sounds more appropriate imo, as the ''abuser'' isn't hacking in any way
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echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
April 10 2011 18:24 GMT
#7
On April 11 2011 03:00 Superiorwolf wrote:
Ya it is still crazy that so many casters cast with almost no delay, whereas in BW all streams had at least like a 2 minute delay.

Edit: Wow, if it's that easy to set up a delay all casters should have 120 sec delay minimum!

I'm not sure a 2 minute delay is enough considering lets say twilight council+dark shrine takes 150 game seconds, and thats cutting it real close. Of course there are other tech paths that take a lot of time that 2 minute long delay may not be enough.
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QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
April 10 2011 18:35 GMT
#8
On April 11 2011 02:58 Torte de Lini wrote:
Own3D.tv, provides an 30-second to 420-second delay in their streams.
Edit: getting a screenshot.

[image loading]

Well, that pretty much solves that problem. 480 seconds is a full 8 minutes of delay 0_0
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nikj
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada669 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 18:43:18
April 10 2011 18:42 GMT
#9
On April 11 2011 03:05 Redunzl wrote:

There's always gonna be shit bags so it's best to make a shit shield. Unless you like getting hit with the shit bat.


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Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
April 10 2011 18:52 GMT
#10
On April 11 2011 03:35 QuothTheRaven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 02:58 Torte de Lini wrote:
Own3D.tv, provides an 30-second to 420-second delay in their streams.
Edit: getting a screenshot.

[image loading]

Well, that pretty much solves that problem. 480 seconds is a full 8 minutes of delay 0_0


Indeed - i can live with delays, but not casted replays.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
April 10 2011 18:53 GMT
#11
wonder how many people in NASL will outright hack their way through.
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NrG.NeverExpo
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2114 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 18:57:55
April 10 2011 18:57 GMT
#12
On April 11 2011 03:53 Sfydjklm wrote:
wonder how many people in NASL will outright hack their way through.

the stream isnt live during the NASL from what i gather, they will live cast the games and record it, and broadcast them the next day. Thus giving you that "live" experience, but nullifying the chance of cheating.
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Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
April 10 2011 19:06 GMT
#13
On April 11 2011 03:57 NrG.NeverExpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 03:53 Sfydjklm wrote:
wonder how many people in NASL will outright hack their way through.

the stream isnt live during the NASL from what i gather, they will live cast the games and record it, and broadcast them the next day. Thus giving you that "live" experience, but nullifying the chance of cheating.

I meant actual maphack.
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arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
April 10 2011 19:08 GMT
#14
Yeah, I agree on this. This stream hacking thing is soo annoying and I also think that a lot of people does this, also I've thought that I'm losing to some ppl on the tournaments coz of this, while i did some nasty bo's... This has to be changed. Somehow, in some way.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
April 10 2011 19:23 GMT
#15
It's common for people playing ranked games or tournaments in LoL to use the own3d built in delay. Many keep two streams, one w/ a delay and one without. As pointed out, it's simplistic to use and fits in SC2 just fine.
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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9016 Posts
April 10 2011 19:25 GMT
#16
On April 11 2011 04:23 Craton wrote:
It's common for people playing ranked games or tournaments in LoL to use the own3d built in delay. Many keep two streams, one w/ a delay and one without. As pointed out, it's simplistic to use and fits in SC2 just fine.


what about all the people who dont used own3d? :O

Most casters use justin.tv, and theres tons of people who use ustream, livestream or even other stuff.
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
April 10 2011 19:26 GMT
#17
yea it's quite annoying thinking... this guy might be watching my stream!
SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
April 10 2011 19:36 GMT
#18
Hmm if own3d can implement a delay I don't see why one couldn't be requested of Ustream and Justin.tv, especially justin.tv when one of their main draws now is esports
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MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
April 10 2011 19:41 GMT
#19
IMO stream hacking makes not much sense. You even leave your IP in the log of the streaming site.

You could just put an external maphack on your second monitor and combine it with some alerts on important events. If done correctly that's very hard to detect with antihack tools, and more powerful than streams.
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hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 19:46:02
April 10 2011 19:41 GMT
#20
But why is this an issue when there are virtually undetectable maphacks available for a mere sum of maybe $10 that gives you more utility and can even be kept externally on a second monitor?

masterofchaos beat me to it.
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