• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:47
CEST 17:47
KST 00:47
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 1 - Final Week6[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall12HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0
Community News
Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll2Team TLMC #5 - Submission extension1Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation17$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced7Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles7
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy Team TLMC #5 - Submission extension
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome
Brood War
General
Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL BW General Discussion A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone [Guide] MyStarcraft [ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall
Tourneys
CSL Xiamen International Invitational [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2025 ACS Season 2 Qualifier
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Summer Games Done Quick 2025! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Men Take Risks, Women Win Ga…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 610 users

Starcraft 2 n00b ep. 6 - In Which I Resource Fail

Blogs > KingOctavious
Post a Reply
KingOctavious
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States324 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-28 02:53:58
January 28 2011 02:50 GMT
#1
This was a TvP in which I got rolled by semi-early void rays despite me initially thinking that I did a good job of pumping out marines.

You can watch the replay/commentary here.

I started this commentary off not knowing how I lost. I begin with a marine/marauder army and generally keep things that way, with a few tanks backing them up. My opponent does a good job of putting out void rays in the back of his base at the same time that he produces sufficient stalkers to pressure me and hold off my armies. I was surprised when his void rays hit my base but was confident that I was producing enough marines to hold them off.

I was wrong. When he eventually runs through my base with the VRs, I’m thinking "How did he do that? I was making as many marines as I could". That’s where I was so very wrong. My minerals had gotten over 1000, apparently somewhere during the skirmishes. Needless to say, I didn’t have nearly enough marines to fight off the void rays alone, let alone the stalkers at my entrance.

Lessons learned:

1. Don’t let little skirmishes get in the way of production. Always be mindful of the need to constantly produce units.

PS – Next time I post a game, I’m going to do what someone on YouTube suggested. I’m going to 1) show health bars and, more importantly, 2) show the game from only my POV. I should have realized this, but that’s definitely the best way to show purely what was going on in my head during any given lost game.

Check out my book, The Year in StarCraft II: 2011, http://yearinsc2.com/ :D:D
lyAsakura
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1414 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-28 03:23:27
January 28 2011 03:15 GMT
#2
Marine's really do not counter voids that well, because even when they are stimmed, voids can run away really quick. If you see that stalker, voidray composition, then just switch your tech lab starport and reactor barracks and make more marauders and voidrays. Marines really just don't do very much in the TvP matchup, and building a higher ratio then 1:2 of reactor:tech lab barracks don't usually work out very well unless the opponent is going very very starport heavy.

Also, you do not need to micro your units at bronze. Just stim and amove, it doesn't really take that much to micro MM, and then go back. Pure constant unit production will win you games at bronze, saving a marauder in an attack bound to do nothing won't. Look back at your view, and if you spend more then half a second watching your little ball at any time, you're doing something wrong.

I think Chill or Day9 said this sometime ago: teching, attacking, or expanding. If you are not doing any of these, then you are wasting time. Attacking doesn't have to be an engagement, but just simply moving out and coming back will do more then just sitting there.
WeMade FOX would be a deadly SC2 team.
CooDu
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia899 Posts
January 28 2011 03:16 GMT
#3
Showing the health bars is a great if not essential practice to get into. I'll check out the replay tonight and see if I can give any feedback.

The best advice I can give at the moment is if you're not comfortable microing a battle and keeping production up, you need to choose your focus on one or the other, obviously. This means focusing on your macro and constant production rather than watching battles. Try just getting your units in place for the attack and then quickly swap to your production HK and spam (don't que 2 or more though) then pop back to your army, check the status, que some more etc.

Macro is king at low levels, once that's ingrained in your play you'll be set!
Just a simple guy, going wherever this journey takes me.
KingOctavious
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States324 Posts
January 28 2011 03:39 GMT
#4
Thanks Coodu and Whitelynx. Great advice. Question for WL, though: Do you really think marines aren't good against VRs? I've had massive success with them against VRs in the past. And they're usually not fast enough to make a retreat without getting chewed up.
Check out my book, The Year in StarCraft II: 2011, http://yearinsc2.com/ :D:D
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Wardi Open
11:00
#44
WardiTV1877
OGKoka 1174
CranKy Ducklings146
Rex134
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 1174
Rex 134
RotterdaM 117
StarCraft: Brood War
Larva 10067
Sea 1282
firebathero 1234
EffOrt 1161
Stork 646
zelot 623
PianO 353
Mini 302
Mind 139
Zeus 97
[ Show more ]
Barracks 93
ToSsGirL 84
sorry 66
Movie 62
Shinee 58
sas.Sziky 46
sSak 38
Shine 29
Rock 29
Terrorterran 26
yabsab 25
soO 23
IntoTheRainbow 12
Bale 7
NaDa 3
Dota 2
qojqva5094
syndereN684
League of Legends
Dendi1428
febbydoto24
Counter-Strike
flusha464
oskar314
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King151
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor219
Other Games
singsing2726
hiko1391
Fuzer 748
Beastyqt576
crisheroes521
Lowko280
Hui .241
XcaliburYe195
Liquid`VortiX157
KnowMe144
ArmadaUGS124
QueenE61
Trikslyr53
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick5143
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 7
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 65
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3702
League of Legends
• Nemesis6133
Upcoming Events
RotterdaM Event
13m
RotterdaM117
Replay Cast
18h 13m
WardiTV European League
1d
ShoWTimE vs sebesdes
Percival vs NightPhoenix
Shameless vs Nicoract
Krystianer vs Scarlett
ByuN vs uThermal
Harstem vs HeRoMaRinE
PiGosaur Monday
1d 8h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Epic.LAN
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
[ Show More ]
Epic.LAN
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
5 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Online Event
6 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
6 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Liquipedia Results

Completed

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Championship of Russia 2025
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters

Upcoming

CSL Xiamen Invitational
CSL Xiamen Invitational: ShowMatche
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
K-Championship
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Underdog Cup #2
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.