• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:34
CEST 12:34
KST 19:34
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play1Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8
Community News
[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)65ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo31Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 202611
StarCraft 2
General
Mizenhauer's Douyu Cup Preview Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play Possible bug in the new patch?
Tourneys
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event INu's Battles#17 <BO.9> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL CK #4 20-21th June
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed
Brood War
General
vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ? ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool BW General Discussion [BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST
Strategy
Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread [H]Internet/Gaming Cafe Tips and Tricks
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7047 users

Only 2 years ago...

Blogs > Ideas
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8172 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-06 08:39:52
June 06 2010 08:32 GMT
#1
... Things were very different.

- 2v2 Was still played in every proleague match.

- Boxer was still relevant to the Pro-scene, appearing regularly on ACE's lineup

- TvZ had yet to be revolutionized

- Bisu was slumping (for the 1st time)

- July had the best ZvP on earth, and it didnt involve templar-sniping or simcities

- Nada was still qualifying for starleagues regularly

- Stars was still owned by hanbit, and Free was literally the ONLY good player on the team (Zero was still a B-teamer and GGplay left for CJ)

- Foru/Clon were the best 2v2 team in Korea, almost always getting the sole win for ACE each match.

- GOM was still going "strong" (still didnt have participation from estro/mbc/ogn/skt/ACE), meaning that there were 3 individual leagues going on as well as Proleague.

- Sparkyz were still called OGN Sparkyz

- Luxury was the best player on OGN by a wide margin, and usually considered the 2nd best Zerg on earth (after Jaedong)

- lomo was the original 2-port wraith master

- forgg was GOOD

- Khan was the best team in the league, with stork just as good as ever, Jangbi with an arguably even better PvT than Stork, and FBH only rivaled by flash and hwasin in TvZ.

- the greatest PvZ on all time was played

- Backho made a semifinal of a starleague. TWICE!

- Flash and Jaedong were still the two best players on earth

Many things have changed, but not everything.

****
Free Palestine
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-06 08:37:13
June 06 2010 08:36 GMT
#2
the holy wars were better, but fuck man ;_;
that was when i started watching progaming, man. it takes me way back
kzn
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1218 Posts
June 06 2010 08:57 GMT
#3
wait, fbh was good?

wtf
Like a G6
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
June 06 2010 08:57 GMT
#4
On June 06 2010 17:36 jodogohoo wrote:
the holy wars were better, but fuck man ;_;
that was when i started watching progaming, man. it takes me way back


As much as I love Savior and Nal Ra, I think the Holy War was collectively not that great, Peaks was the only good game (but it was a very epic game xD)
TranslatorBaa!
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20665 Posts
June 06 2010 09:03 GMT
#5
On June 06 2010 17:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2010 17:36 jodogohoo wrote:
the holy wars were better, but fuck man ;_;
that was when i started watching progaming, man. it takes me way back


As much as I love Savior and Nal Ra, I think the Holy War was collectively not that great, Peaks was the only good game (but it was a very epic game xD)


really? in terms of game quality, they weren't all that, but the storyline behind it is better than pretty much any other PvZ rivalry
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
June 06 2010 09:06 GMT
#6
On June 06 2010 18:03 Last Romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2010 17:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On June 06 2010 17:36 jodogohoo wrote:
the holy wars were better, but fuck man ;_;
that was when i started watching progaming, man. it takes me way back


As much as I love Savior and Nal Ra, I think the Holy War was collectively not that great, Peaks was the only good game (but it was a very epic game xD)


really? in terms of game quality, they weren't all that, but the storyline behind it is better than pretty much any other PvZ rivalry


I was mainly referring the games themselves (Ra's misplaced cannon FFFFFFU-). The storyline's a whole different thing.

And yeah, it definitely is the best PvZ rivalry.
TranslatorBaa!
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
June 06 2010 10:27 GMT
#7
Interesting observations. But IMO, Reach vs Chojja on Rush Hour was a better PvZ, if only for the ending.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Fish_Baguettes
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia589 Posts
June 06 2010 10:29 GMT
#8
Those days were full of fun :D
NonFactor
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden698 Posts
June 06 2010 10:38 GMT
#9
I miss the 2v2's. I like the fact there was one 2v2 per match, it brought change to the 1v1, and also made Proleague feel more ''teamy'' if that makes any sense.

Oh well. =(
NonFactor
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden698 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-06 10:57:16
June 06 2010 10:56 GMT
#10
OPS. Double post.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-06 11:07:52
June 06 2010 11:07 GMT
#11
2v2 is such a different game, you have to approach it with a different mentality and macro is much less important compared to doing the right stuff and micro. Top 2v2 players often have incredibly poor mechanics compared to an equivalently ranked 1v1 player but that just shows how different the game types are.

I really miss it, it was something that gave ACE a chance
No I'm never serious.
Squallcloud
Profile Joined February 2008
France466 Posts
June 06 2010 11:14 GMT
#12
On June 06 2010 17:32 Ideas wrote:

- Khan was the best team in the league, with stork just as good as ever, Jangbi with an arguably even better PvT than Stork, and FBH only rivaled by flash and hwasin in TvZ.


T_T Khan what happened to you T_T

FBH where are you? ESPORT is so boring without your goofiness around.
Firebathero fanboy - It's not that i'm dumb i'm just controlled by a retarded infestor - Day[9]
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
June 06 2010 12:06 GMT
#13
damn it 2v2 i miss you
Endorsed
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1221 Posts
June 06 2010 14:01 GMT
#14
Was is 15 right now, right? That means he was 13 two years back. Amazing.

tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
June 06 2010 14:18 GMT
#15
Ha, I almost forgot that it was Lomo who started 2-port wraithing before Leta.
Corrupt
Profile Joined August 2009
Bulgaria1312 Posts
June 06 2010 14:34 GMT
#16
Yeah, Lomo! I remember when I was fanboying arround Lomo last season, my friend asking me "Why Lomo? Cuz of 2port wraith? You suck man." .. pff :D
Just a guy trying to enjoy living in the worst timeline and failing miserably since 1990.
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
June 06 2010 14:52 GMT
#17
I really miss 2v2
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-06 14:59:07
June 06 2010 14:58 GMT
#18
On June 06 2010 17:57 kzn wrote:
wait, fbh was good?

wtf


Clearly you haven't been around to see some of his epic games against top players. It was pretty crazy back then I have to admit.

I remember a game where he just turtled in against Savior and got a bunch of battlecruisers.

Typical Terran.....oh wait....
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Horrde
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada302 Posts
June 06 2010 15:12 GMT
#19
Two years? Two years is yesterday man, new school.
Draconizard
Profile Joined October 2008
628 Posts
June 06 2010 15:44 GMT
#20
Fast forward to 2012:

Only 2 years ago...

-Broodwar still had an active progaming scene.
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Douyu Cup 2020
05:00
2026 - Day 2
Neeb vs Impact
MacSed vs Cyan
Scarlett vs Kelazhur
INnoVation vs Dear
WardiTV991
CranKy Ducklings176
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 709
Lowko271
StarCraft: Brood War
Soulkey 366
Zeus 278
Jaedong 248
Hyuk 229
Soma 208
Light 155
ggaemo 98
Rush 96
Dewaltoss 95
EffOrt 91
[ Show more ]
Pusan 85
Sharp 70
Killer 66
Mind 63
Aegong 52
PianO 50
Larva 47
ToSsGirL 43
Liquid`Ret 40
Snow 39
hero 24
sorry 21
Hm[arnc] 20
yabsab 14
Sacsri 13
GoRush 13
[sc1f]eonzerg 12
zelot 10
Dota 2
BananaSlamJamma430
League of Legends
JimRising 437
Counter-Strike
byalli314
x6flipin21
Other Games
crisheroes128
Mew2King97
QueenE28
Happy0
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream5755
Other Games
gamesdonequick681
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 42
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• 3DClanTV 155
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP18
• LUISG 16
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
5h 27m
Jumy vs eGGz
Harstem vs sebesdes
TriGGeR vs HeRoMaRinE
Douyu Cup 2020
18h 27m
Maestros of the Game
1d 1h
herO vs Classic
Maru vs Serral
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
1d 3h
Douyu Cup 2020
1d 18h
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
2 days
Online Event
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
4 days
Bombastic Starleague
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
OSC
5 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Bombastic Starleague
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSCL: Masked Kings S4
WardiTV Spring 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 1
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
Douyu Cup 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
BCC 2026
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
Heroes Pulsing #3
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.