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Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8091 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-06 08:39:52
June 06 2010 08:32 GMT
#1
... Things were very different.

- 2v2 Was still played in every proleague match.

- Boxer was still relevant to the Pro-scene, appearing regularly on ACE's lineup

- TvZ had yet to be revolutionized

- Bisu was slumping (for the 1st time)

- July had the best ZvP on earth, and it didnt involve templar-sniping or simcities

- Nada was still qualifying for starleagues regularly

- Stars was still owned by hanbit, and Free was literally the ONLY good player on the team (Zero was still a B-teamer and GGplay left for CJ)

- Foru/Clon were the best 2v2 team in Korea, almost always getting the sole win for ACE each match.

- GOM was still going "strong" (still didnt have participation from estro/mbc/ogn/skt/ACE), meaning that there were 3 individual leagues going on as well as Proleague.

- Sparkyz were still called OGN Sparkyz

- Luxury was the best player on OGN by a wide margin, and usually considered the 2nd best Zerg on earth (after Jaedong)

- lomo was the original 2-port wraith master

- forgg was GOOD

- Khan was the best team in the league, with stork just as good as ever, Jangbi with an arguably even better PvT than Stork, and FBH only rivaled by flash and hwasin in TvZ.

- the greatest PvZ on all time was played

- Backho made a semifinal of a starleague. TWICE!

- Flash and Jaedong were still the two best players on earth

Many things have changed, but not everything.

****
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jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-06 08:37:13
June 06 2010 08:36 GMT
#2
the holy wars were better, but fuck man ;_;
that was when i started watching progaming, man. it takes me way back
kzn
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1218 Posts
June 06 2010 08:57 GMT
#3
wait, fbh was good?

wtf
Like a G6
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
June 06 2010 08:57 GMT
#4
On June 06 2010 17:36 jodogohoo wrote:
the holy wars were better, but fuck man ;_;
that was when i started watching progaming, man. it takes me way back


As much as I love Savior and Nal Ra, I think the Holy War was collectively not that great, Peaks was the only good game (but it was a very epic game xD)
TranslatorBaa!
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
June 06 2010 09:03 GMT
#5
On June 06 2010 17:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2010 17:36 jodogohoo wrote:
the holy wars were better, but fuck man ;_;
that was when i started watching progaming, man. it takes me way back


As much as I love Savior and Nal Ra, I think the Holy War was collectively not that great, Peaks was the only good game (but it was a very epic game xD)


really? in terms of game quality, they weren't all that, but the storyline behind it is better than pretty much any other PvZ rivalry
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
June 06 2010 09:06 GMT
#6
On June 06 2010 18:03 Last Romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2010 17:57 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On June 06 2010 17:36 jodogohoo wrote:
the holy wars were better, but fuck man ;_;
that was when i started watching progaming, man. it takes me way back


As much as I love Savior and Nal Ra, I think the Holy War was collectively not that great, Peaks was the only good game (but it was a very epic game xD)


really? in terms of game quality, they weren't all that, but the storyline behind it is better than pretty much any other PvZ rivalry


I was mainly referring the games themselves (Ra's misplaced cannon FFFFFFU-). The storyline's a whole different thing.

And yeah, it definitely is the best PvZ rivalry.
TranslatorBaa!
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
June 06 2010 10:27 GMT
#7
Interesting observations. But IMO, Reach vs Chojja on Rush Hour was a better PvZ, if only for the ending.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Fish_Baguettes
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia589 Posts
June 06 2010 10:29 GMT
#8
Those days were full of fun :D
NonFactor
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden698 Posts
June 06 2010 10:38 GMT
#9
I miss the 2v2's. I like the fact there was one 2v2 per match, it brought change to the 1v1, and also made Proleague feel more ''teamy'' if that makes any sense.

Oh well. =(
NonFactor
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden698 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-06 10:57:16
June 06 2010 10:56 GMT
#10
OPS. Double post.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-06 11:07:52
June 06 2010 11:07 GMT
#11
2v2 is such a different game, you have to approach it with a different mentality and macro is much less important compared to doing the right stuff and micro. Top 2v2 players often have incredibly poor mechanics compared to an equivalently ranked 1v1 player but that just shows how different the game types are.

I really miss it, it was something that gave ACE a chance
No I'm never serious.
Squallcloud
Profile Joined February 2008
France466 Posts
June 06 2010 11:14 GMT
#12
On June 06 2010 17:32 Ideas wrote:

- Khan was the best team in the league, with stork just as good as ever, Jangbi with an arguably even better PvT than Stork, and FBH only rivaled by flash and hwasin in TvZ.


T_T Khan what happened to you T_T

FBH where are you? ESPORT is so boring without your goofiness around.
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
June 06 2010 12:06 GMT
#13
damn it 2v2 i miss you
Endorsed
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1221 Posts
June 06 2010 14:01 GMT
#14
Was is 15 right now, right? That means he was 13 two years back. Amazing.

tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
June 06 2010 14:18 GMT
#15
Ha, I almost forgot that it was Lomo who started 2-port wraithing before Leta.
Corrupt
Profile Joined August 2009
Bulgaria1312 Posts
June 06 2010 14:34 GMT
#16
Yeah, Lomo! I remember when I was fanboying arround Lomo last season, my friend asking me "Why Lomo? Cuz of 2port wraith? You suck man." .. pff :D
Just a guy trying to enjoy living in the worst timeline and failing miserably since 1990.
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
June 06 2010 14:52 GMT
#17
I really miss 2v2
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-06 14:59:07
June 06 2010 14:58 GMT
#18
On June 06 2010 17:57 kzn wrote:
wait, fbh was good?

wtf


Clearly you haven't been around to see some of his epic games against top players. It was pretty crazy back then I have to admit.

I remember a game where he just turtled in against Savior and got a bunch of battlecruisers.

Typical Terran.....oh wait....
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Horrde
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada302 Posts
June 06 2010 15:12 GMT
#19
Two years? Two years is yesterday man, new school.
Draconizard
Profile Joined October 2008
628 Posts
June 06 2010 15:44 GMT
#20
Fast forward to 2012:

Only 2 years ago...

-Broodwar still had an active progaming scene.
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