• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:02
CEST 15:02
KST 22:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8
Community News
SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup3StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)65Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3BSL Season 2314
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Awesome/Confusing SC2 BM SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup [Old] StarCraft 3 Reportedly in Development
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Grand Finals Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) SC2 INu's Battles#21 [ 3-Days tournament ]
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses
Brood War
General
Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings BW General Discussion BSL Season 23 Bot on ladder ASL22 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro8 Day 4 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL22] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 12074 users

damage control: Savior

Blogs > sebu
Post a Reply
sebu
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States37 Posts
May 22 2010 04:47 GMT
#1
If I was Savior's PR rep, I would not release an apology but this might as well go out like a hero, outside the gaming world at least:

Family, friends, and most importantly fans who followed me through all the trials and tribulations, please hear me out. When,the rights of men are soiled, the weak oppressed, and the shackles of exploitative power are tightened, action must be taken.

Gamers have the right to live their lives in dignity, free from hunger the fear of losing a job and oppression. These rights are best assured by a representative body, based on the will of people. But when this body is denying the opportunity to manage in a fair manner, those who suffer,who benefit least,who are exploited, Action must be taken.

At first you may criticize me of hypocrisy, burning the very foundation of a structure built by the blood sweat and tears of the previous gamers. But when we are shunned and silenced, threatened to be replaced with a younger and more naive gamer who is willing to work for free, our voices just turn into wind in the midst left to be heard by no one. Our small cries for attention was never heard, and ultimately, this was the only way to get the attention of the masses.

Gamers regardless of status should be respected in all their diversity and differences within and between gamers
and Kespa. The governing body should be neither feared nor repressed, but cherised. Prudence must be shown in the case of handling money. Immeasurable riches we inherit from sponsors should not be preserved amongst the few but trickled down to all.

We must spare no effot to free the shackles of exploitative child labor from the scourge of the governing body. We need to remind ourselves why Kespa exists, for what purpose and for who it was built.....

and to at least make this blog a little bit more interesting, how about you guys finish off my thought. Or even write up something totally different if you guys don't agree with me at all. Would be fun to see what everyone else would think.

***
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
May 22 2010 04:54 GMT
#2
Best thing the caught progamers can do is to make a movement that pursues better progamer life.
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
May 22 2010 04:59 GMT
#3
This would be better if it were targeting any gamer BUT Savior. I don't think "fear of hunger or losing his job" was the reason he cheated.
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
sebu
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States37 Posts
May 22 2010 05:09 GMT
#4
haha yea but like Robin Hood, you're doing it not only for yourself, but for the underdog masses.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
May 22 2010 05:12 GMT
#5
I agree with ETT :S
After reading "The Reality of Progaming," you can see how and why many of the younger and not-so-famous players resort to this match fixing. sAviOr didn't need the money, and he wasn't afraid of losing his job. Somebody, say, like Type-B would be able to make better use of this.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
May 22 2010 05:16 GMT
#6
I don't really like the way you've put it, but I have to say I don't feel sorry for KeSPA or the spirit of competition at all after reading that article either. I knew it was bad for a long time, but that brings it to the forefront of my mind. These young guys are all too scared to form a union, and that's what they really need.

In some ways, you think 'it's an art field, you always have to work really hard and make a name before you even get a dime.' But in other ways, it's 16-19 year olds making decisions they don't seem to be really ready to make. There's a reason child labour laws exist, and this is like some absurd loop hole. What's more important, the spirit of the game, or the spirit of the law?

No wonder parents don't want their kids to go into this. It's not just 'I don't want my kid playing games for a living' it's 'this is an abusive and poorly functioning system.' I think at very least A teamers should have a labour contract, and B teamers should just leave after a year if they haven't moved up. There's a conflict in how many hours a company will pay the progamer for though, since theoretically they could tell them '1 hour' and know that they're going to practice more since they want to win. It's complicated. A union would need to ask for 10 hr days to make sure they're paid for the full time work needed to succeed.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
May 22 2010 05:19 GMT
#7
On May 22 2010 14:09 sebu wrote:
haha yea but like Robin Hood, you're doing it not only for yourself, but for the underdog masses.


LOL, I somehow doubt that was his motivation.
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
May 22 2010 06:01 GMT
#8
savior's rolex begs to differ

Korean netizens wouldn't accept this damage control though, as the majority of them are only swayed by evidence. Rather than listen to emotions or apologies, they will often drive people in the spotlight into self-exile or ostracize them through endless heckling. They would probably only get off of Savior's ass if "Mr. Ma" is in fact referring to some random arse gamer (which it clearly isn't at this point ).

Hey! Listen!
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13922 Posts
May 22 2010 07:03 GMT
#9
i doubt there is any way you can spin this to be in his favor

just to deep in the ditch
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Aphelion
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States2720 Posts
May 26 2010 14:57 GMT
#10
Truly the American way. Get caught for something unforgivable, the goes on media offensive to claim it was for a greater cause.
But Garimto was always more than just a Protoss...
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
May 26 2010 16:30 GMT
#11
On May 22 2010 13:59 EvilTeletubby wrote:
This would be better if it were targeting any gamer BUT Savior. I don't think "fear of hunger or losing his job" was the reason he cheated.


Is there any public information on how much Hwasin and Luxury were making? I always assumed they were pretty well payed - Hwasin for being a top player for such a long time and Luxury a starleague winner - but I don't think I've seen any numbers.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
ironchef
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Canada1350 Posts
May 26 2010 17:05 GMT
#12
"Dear friends, I am retiring from brood war ... and taking up sc2" *cue evil music*.

People can be harsh on him, but he broke the law and betrayed his supporters. I dont think people should harass or insult him necessarily,but to try to justify crime as some kind of noble act.. not so much. I dont begrudge anyone trying to make a living, but if they break laws(social or moral) they need to be ready take the consequences like a man.

“Because your own strength is unequal to the task, do not assume that it is beyond the powers of man; but if anything is within the powers and province of man, believe that it is within your own compass also.” - Marcus Aurelius
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 26 2010 20:15 GMT
#13
--- Nuked ---
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
May 26 2010 20:40 GMT
#14
At some point savior will write a book about the dark side of progaming, using his reputation and the match-fixing scandal to sell it well. I can see him becoming the anti-boxer or smth like that
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
May 26 2010 22:04 GMT
#15
wow op, if savior wanted to save himself in someway, or go out in glory..saying what you said is definitely not the way to do it lol
why so 진지해?
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Online Event
20:00
BamsPatch 1.0 Weekly #3
SHIN 231
Liquipedia
CranKy Ducklings
19:00
Sea Duckling Open #150 (SHIN Mod Edition)
CranKy Ducklings108
CranKy Ducklings SOOP48
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko332
SHIN 231
ProTech139
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 38807
Shuttle 2017
Bisu 1916
Hyuk 1702
EffOrt 419
Larva 412
Soma 367
Mini 336
ZerO 265
firebathero 225
[ Show more ]
Last 135
Leta 87
hero 79
Zeus 68
Pusan 58
Bale 55
Hm[arnc] 53
Killer 50
Hyun 48
Sexy 44
Trap 42
PianO 28
ToSsGirL 27
Aegong 26
zelot 22
sorry 18
Noble 12
yabsab 11
JulyZerg 10
Sacsri 7
Icarus 4
ajuk12(nOOB) 3
Dota 2
Gorgc4339
qojqva1335
Dendi1019
XcaliburYe362
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor761
crisheroes679
Other Games
gofns39910
singsing2545
B2W.Neo1150
Happy293
DeMusliM268
Livibee132
Mew2King99
ArmadaUGS71
Liquid`VortiX48
ZerO(Twitch)13
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream135
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 65
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 9743
League of Legends
• Jankos1814
Other Games
• WagamamaTV222
Upcoming Events
FEL
2h 58m
AI Arena Tournament
3h 58m
BSL: Ladder Tournament
5h 58m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
20h 58m
INu's Battles
22h 58m
herO vs Classic
Percival vs Rogue
BSL Open Qualifier
1d 5h
BSL Open Qualifier
1d 5h
Replay Cast
1d 10h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 20h
Rush vs Light
WardiTV Weekly
1d 21h
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Soma vs Soulkey
INu's Battles
2 days
SHIN vs Cure
ByuN vs Zoun
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
INu's Battles
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-02
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Copium Cup
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.