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Another factor that's ruining TL is people who pop in every thread saying, "TL had such better threads back in the day..."
I mean honestly, how can you even begin to complain about the content of a "general" forum? How can you tell people what they should blog about?
If people aren't interested in a thread it will naturally die, it's how forums work.
But yeah the SC2 section is bad, but I never go in there anymore anyways.
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FOR THE EMPEROR
BURN THE HERETIC KILL THE MUTANT PURGE THE UNCLEAN
etc.
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On March 16 2010 20:20 Manit0u wrote: I have a solemn resolve to up the quality of my posts and refrain from posting inapropriate content.
My dear friend, must you adulterate these hollowed grounds of TL with your egregious typographical errors? For shame, how the times have changed.
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I give Mani a ton of credit for closing the NSFW thread. Its not easy to make that kind of decision. Im sure that in time TL will be fine. I still see a ton of well written stuff here all the time.
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Anyone ever been to a livestream chat a few minutes early before some mediocre MST/OSL group (especially the late-night ones)? The chat there is so nice .
I agree with Emon (I think?)'s post about some sort of spam forum. Sigs gone, doesn't count for postcount, no hotlinks, etc. A lot of the time I'm reading PX or looking at the featured threads and half of them are blogs that I never saw while browsing (and I browse TL a lot), because they're buried under the masses of "[SC2]" or whatever threads that nobody cares about.
I came here from a smash bros. forum, and if the Brawl influx was any indication, eventually the new users will mostly just stay within the bounds of their chosen forum. Some of the better posters will come out and explore the rest of the site eventually but it should die down.
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A post-SC2 influx of people was inevitable. Although TL won't be exactly as it was a few years ago, if you stick around I'm sure the bans will be numerous and purges pleasant and brutal. The site is fine now and it'll be better as time goes on.
I wish there was a fantasy banning league where we could make wagers on who was going to go. 10 points for a 2 day ban, 50 for a 2 week. Oh my god it'd be great if not for the inevitable flaming it'd result in.
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A forum needs to teach its users how to post; it can't just impose rules and stay away.
Likewise, keeping the forum small is only a lazy and short term solution. Contributors won't have always the same quality in their posts nor will they keep posting forever.
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There isn't a lot of GREAT debates here so much. That makes me a bit sad.. but I don't think that really makes TL "bad."
TL is still the best. Our bar for expectation is really high. So like Mani said, when you have a doubled user base it takes time for people to learn forum etiquette and for those that won't to get weeded out.
Have patience my WH40k friend, it will be .leveled out eventually
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I just tell myself every night that a few months after SC2 is released, the flood will slowly go down, and those detrimental members will start to fade away.
On March 17 2010 04:34 Cloud wrote: A forum needs to teach its users how to post; it can't just impose rules and stay away.
Likewise, keeping the forum small is only a lazy and short term solution. Contributors won't have always the same quality in their posts nor will they keep posting forever. The problem is that it starts to diminish true desire to contribute to a site. The biggest reason why our staff and mods are so great is because they work on their own initiative. If you start saying you *will* be a good member, and you *will* contribute, that initiative is gone, and it is a debate of quality vs quantity. Let good people stay, let bad people leave.
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On March 17 2010 04:34 Cloud wrote: A forum needs to teach its users how to post; it can't just impose rules and stay away.
Likewise, keeping the forum small is only a lazy and short term solution. Contributors won't have always the same quality in their posts nor will they keep posting forever.
Rules are there for the people who do not wish/are unable to learn. And there seems to be quite a lot of those. Quality posters and most of the "mature" users don't even need to read the Commandments or any other basic set of rules like that as in most cases it comes naturally to them.
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People tend to romanticism for the past. Is it truly better or just perceived as better.
Imo the blog section has trends currently it's to something you don't like i remember when it was all about dream journals lol
Also if you take a look at bans and take the derivative of it most mods have increased.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=108269¤tpage=3
they have increased over time.
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Sorry, we'll make sure to get back to talking about whatever you like
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yeah I`m kinda sad about the "Random pics that make u laugh" thread . Even though the quality was gettin` low, there were still great ones. And the last one...even though it was porn, it was pretty awesomely funny errr, nvm :D
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On March 17 2010 05:26 Virtue wrote:People tend to romanticism for the past. Is it truly better or just perceived as better. Imo the blog section has trends currently it's to something you don't like i remember when it was all about dream journals lol Also if you take a look at bans and take the derivative of it most mods have increased. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=108269¤tpage=3they have increased over time. i agree that bans have increased but you also need to take into account that there are a LOT more users now than before. i guess maybe think of it as a bans per capita type of deal? lol
anyway, regarding the OP: yes staff have noticed many of the same problems you have outlined and have discussed ways to deal with it. we'll see what we come up with though lol.
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On March 17 2010 04:16 Mellotron wrote: I give Mani a ton of credit for closing the NSFW thread. Its not easy to make that kind of decision. Im sure that in time TL will be fine. I still see a ton of well written stuff here all the time.
I caved.
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TL is a reflection. There's a huge vanity problem here and it's undeserved.
It's ironic that the people I see who have most to be proud of are the most humble, and the people who have the least are the quickest fill up with hot air. From just being on this site, people get a superiority complex, and boy, if you start giving them a few powers it's suddenly really blatant when they're looking down at you.
You can look at the general mish mash of topics and say you're disappointed, but I think the problem is deeper rooted than that. TL is full of self-fascinated dickheads that just make dumb replies and lower the overall motivation of posters to create an OP that takes an ounce of creativity. That's why we get PYF threads everywhere, and smutty picture threads. They're the only ones people are willing to put the time into replying to. That and mildly controversial threads like this one. Who the hell wants to do anything for these idiots? Not me.
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Chef so most posters on teamliquid are still at egocentricism part of cognitive development so they must be between the ages of two and seven. :D
Actually I can see that " OMg noob just fucking 3 hatch it's not that hard" "It is hard! i need help please" "god dam nub l2practice it's easy"
I can do it so they can do it mentality resulting in rage
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On March 17 2010 07:06 Manifesto7 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2010 04:16 Mellotron wrote: I give Mani a ton of credit for closing the NSFW thread. Its not easy to make that kind of decision. Im sure that in time TL will be fine. I still see a ton of well written stuff here all the time. I caved.
why did you close Manit0u's new picture thread? it had a lot of potential if properly moderated. at least also ban the idiots that messed it up and demanded that they're allowed to behave like the idiots they are?
that thread would have been the ideal place to weed out people who can't follow rules.
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