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Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
November 30 2009 23:44 GMT
#1
I'hve been blessed.

I reached D+ very fast as both T and Z, and then with T again in less than a month(yes, macro games, not cheese, 2facs and all-ins). Alot of this had to do with the fact that I started playing at the same time as several of my friends, one of which (protoss player) had always been very good in other strategy games, such as Wc3.

However, I was the only one of us to start playing terran, so of course I ended up playing 0 TvTs, except when the others tried to offrace against me, which ended horribly for them.
So when I started playing iCCup, I became another of what I believe to be a myriad of Terrans that only play TvZ and TvP, even during my stint as a D+ Zerg I was very apprehensive to learn ZvZ, but I didn't dodge any games.

However, this season of Proleague has been filled to the brim with TvT, and to me, it's a very interesting and entertaining matchup, and recently I started to feel that I'hve been missing something, and that something is TvT.

Now I'hve had a few attempts at learning (no less than 2 threads started in the strategy forum). But these have usually been thwarted by a lack of information. Most of my TvP and TvZ knowledge come from a mix of Stylish VODs, liquipedia and a whole lot of threads in the strategy forum (extra thanks to Ver and Idra who always reply with very very useful information). Stylish has a little bit of TvT (very little), and liquipedia often doesn't go beyond the first 5-10 minutes of what is usually a very lengthy matchup. The only somewhat lengthy (albeit a bit unorganized) information comes mostly from DaZe's advice for Terran thread, but i'm a bit reluctant to use it, since it in TvZ mostly advices me to 2 rax FE or 2 rax push, which isn't the current style, also, like I said it is still a bit short.

Now what do I do to begin? Of course, I should begin where I begun with the other matchups that caused them to evolve very rapidly, by playing it with some practice partner!
I recently begun putting some of Artosis' advice to work (practicing a matchup by playing with a friend in a SET build order, this case it was Siege Exp -> Drop -> 3rd -> Lategame play vs 1 Gate Nexus -> 3 Base Arbiter -> Late Game, something that helped alot in my TvP).

So where does TL.net fit in this picture? Well pickings on iCCup are slim, it seems that most D/D+ Terran fit in the same slot as me, forever doomed to dodge TvT, and none of my friends play Terran.

So I'm giving it a try here, if anyone wants to play some TvT against me, just look me up on iCCup or PM me, my handles on iCCup are Catch]22 and Stfunaab. I'm usually on iCCup almost every day some time between 17-01, thats 5PM-1AM for you yanks, CET (GMT+1).

I got PM'd a while back ago by a C terran, whose name I wont print, who asked me if I wanted to play some TvT, but I hesitated since I knew my TvT was probably not going to be anywhere near his level (meaning I'd get contained by 1 vultue then rolled).

I'm on right now (00:41 CET) and will be for another hour if anyone feels like cramming tanks and dropships down my throat. Oh, and I prefer maps currently in proleague/individual league rotations.

So what are you waiting for? Maybe you stink at TvT just as bad as I do, if so, lets make it our best instead.

Hell, it's about time.

*
cafaro
Profile Joined November 2008
Netherlands32 Posts
November 30 2009 23:53 GMT
#2
Hey i could play a few games, but i'm pretty bad (D-/D max)

I haven't played any games this season yet, but you can pm me if you are interested

my iccup id is cafaro
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
November 30 2009 23:54 GMT
#3
I'd totally play you but school is kicking my butt with the ap class / sleep combo. I can offer some decent TvT advice cause my theory is beyond my actual playing level (i've watched like tons of korean TvT reps).
I was in ur exact same shoes cause no one wanted to TvT and therefore my TvT went down the drain because i averaged like 1 TvT per 20 games. If you want some help u can PM me with a rep and i'll watch it when i have a sliver of time.
im deaf
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8196 Posts
December 01 2009 00:06 GMT
#4
I'll play TvT.. I'm usually up late pacific time.. like.. 14:00-19:00 korean/TL time. I'll try finding you on iccup when I'm on later tonight.

My highest rank is D+ and I'm D now so.. you know, I'd be down to play a couple games.
duckett
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States589 Posts
December 01 2009 00:09 GMT
#5
im good for it...just hit C- but tvt is my worst matchup
funky squaredance funky squaredance funky squaredance
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9016 Posts
December 01 2009 00:10 GMT
#6
On December 01 2009 09:09 duckett wrote:
im good for it...just hit C- but tvt is my worst matchup
2fact speedvult ur way to C.
quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-01 00:15:49
December 01 2009 00:14 GMT
#7
Hah, I dodged TvT for a while, then started playing it a bit, but it was like, 1-2 ranks under my top rank, so I switched to ZvT. It's still strong enough to beat kona though. :DD jk It's a fun matchup though.

I'm like C/C+ top rank. But I'm currently chilling and not playing much so I'd say I'm a solid C-, so my TvT should be a solid D+.

If you want to play, msg or add quirinus.cry. I'll understand if you don't want to play because of the rank difference. If you want, you can show me some reps and I'll point out where you could improve.

gl
All candles lit within him, and there was purity. | First auto-promoted BW LP editor.
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
December 01 2009 00:37 GMT
#8
On December 01 2009 09:10 LuckyFool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2009 09:09 duckett wrote:
im good for it...just hit C- but tvt is my worst matchup
2fact speedvult ur way to C.


Thats what i've been doing. Alot of times C-/C players cannot hold their ramp unless they do the same build.

If I could ask you a quick question LuckyFool, how do you usually follow up the opening? Like when do you typically expand, and add a starport or armory etc. Thanks!
Fixed
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States174 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-01 01:20:12
December 01 2009 00:57 GMT
#9
OP

Umm theres an A- terran that streams like 10 hours a day lol. Skyroo or something like that is his livestream channel. His name is Scan. I'm sure u could learn alot from him.
fanatacist likes men.....but mostly boys...and some anal toys. Also his ability to read and understand posts is on par with a slightly retarded meerkat.
gamecrazy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States421 Posts
December 01 2009 01:23 GMT
#10
I'm down to be a practice partner for TvT. Currently D+ Terran on iccup, my id is yes-attack. I'm probably not going to be available often though, because of teh same reasons as imBLIND. But add me, and if you see me on, I'll try to arrange games with you.
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
December 01 2009 01:38 GMT
#11
Thanks everyone that responded so far, especially quirinus who helped me get started by playing a few games, I would like to play against more of you, if you could send me your iccup name or msg me!
CoOl]1st[
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States243 Posts
December 01 2009 04:01 GMT
#12
navy[keat] @ iccup we can play some games
Wizard]1st[ fighting :O
quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
December 01 2009 13:32 GMT
#13
On December 01 2009 10:38 Catch]22 wrote:
Thanks everyone that responded so far, especially quirinus who helped me get started by playing a few games, I would like to play against more of you, if you could send me your iccup name or msg me!


No problem. It's great to see you progress each game we played! :D
All candles lit within him, and there was purity. | First auto-promoted BW LP editor.
noojOh
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States755 Posts
December 01 2009 17:12 GMT
#14
noojoh@iccup

i actually love playing tvt and am a D+/ recently C- player
ftw
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