• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:09
CEST 22:09
KST 05:09
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy13
Community News
LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments2Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?39Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris53Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!15
StarCraft 2
General
Production Quality - Maestros of the Game Vs RSL 2 Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Heaven's Balance Suggestions (roast me) Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies
Brood War
General
ASL20 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Victoria gamers Pros React To: herO's Baffling Game
Tourneys
[IPSL] ISPL Season 1 Winter Qualis and Info! [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Is there English video for group selection for ASL Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Canadian Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
Collective Intelligence: Tea…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1381 users

As an esports viewer, how often would you like to see all-…

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 All
Sinuui
Profile Joined December 2024
1 Post
December 16 2024 07:42 GMT
#41
--- Nuked ---
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1757 Posts
December 17 2024 20:47 GMT
#42
Never. It's frustrating to play against. Strategic variety isn't reason enough to have something in a game.
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
314 Posts
December 19 2024 17:37 GMT
#43
i'm a huge protoss fan. I absolutely hate how games where P beats T (thikning maxpax vs clem) always seem to be early game micro fest all-ins. I want to see long drawn out macro games for the most part.
Amir9
Profile Joined December 2024
4 Posts
December 20 2024 00:55 GMT
#44
--- Nuked ---
patermatrix
Profile Joined March 2012
64 Posts
December 20 2024 20:23 GMT
#45
On December 09 2024 19:34 Sorathez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2024 00:41 SmoKim wrote:
Some, but not all the time

early WoL was fun but... well also kinda stupid sometimes.

And i will never like cheese in the last game of a final. Im boring and want a descent long "macro" game
2012 GSL Season 2 Finals, Squirtle vs Mvp would like a word.


I can evoke goosebumps by just thinking about that game.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3402 Posts
January 03 2025 18:30 GMT
#46
In hots and wol the late game was always when the casters got most excited, because it happened rarely. It's the opposite now, casters get the most excited about cheese these days, because it's almost a lost art. Ppl still rave about the classic dt strat, and it wasn't even that unthinkable or even that great of a game, but I guess it was a rly needed moment.

I don't agree that 9 worker start or smth would fix the problem, though if it's what is needed to get back 4 player maps, then I think we should do it.

I think a better fix for the current game is to remove the first 50 minerals, so that it's possible to get out on the map quicker, it's better for scouting, say if we have 4 player maps, and your first pylon can be placed farther from your main without as much delay as it otherwise would've.

Another good change would be to remove 2 mineral fields from every expansion(mains not included). And to increase the number of minerals on the fat patches, vespine should be left as is.

This would decrease the power of expanding leaving more room to do timings, and even 1 base builds. There's a big difference between doubling your income and almost doubling, also the main would be more powerful lasting longer on the fat fields. I think we can all agree that currently the maxed out situation happens too often.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25558 Posts
January 04 2025 00:34 GMT
#47
On January 04 2025 03:30 ejozl wrote:
In hots and wol the late game was always when the casters got most excited, because it happened rarely. It's the opposite now, casters get the most excited about cheese these days, because it's almost a lost art. Ppl still rave about the classic dt strat, and it wasn't even that unthinkable or even that great of a game, but I guess it was a rly needed moment.

I don't agree that 9 worker start or smth would fix the problem, though if it's what is needed to get back 4 player maps, then I think we should do it.

I think a better fix for the current game is to remove the first 50 minerals, so that it's possible to get out on the map quicker, it's better for scouting, say if we have 4 player maps, and your first pylon can be placed farther from your main without as much delay as it otherwise would've.

Another good change would be to remove 2 mineral fields from every expansion(mains not included). And to increase the number of minerals on the fat patches, vespine should be left as is.

This would decrease the power of expanding leaving more room to do timings, and even 1 base builds. There's a big difference between doubling your income and almost doubling, also the main would be more powerful lasting longer on the fat fields. I think we can all agree that currently the maxed out situation happens too often.

Yeah interesting ideas there
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
PsiBlade1010
Profile Joined May 2021
13 Posts
January 10 2025 16:18 GMT
#48
10% cheese for me is ok.

I enjoy watching the strategy of the macro games, slowy inching an advantage here , an advantage there. Cheese for me is gambling, it isnt trying to find the best strategy but rolling the dice. Its fun from time to time, but not to often.
Prev 1 2 3 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
[BSL 2025] Weekly
18:00
#13
LiquipediaDiscussion
Maestros of the Game
17:00
Group Stage - Group C
ComeBackTV 1156
CranKy Ducklings514
IndyStarCraft 304
BRAT_OK 150
CosmosSc2 96
Rex88
EnkiAlexander 65
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 304
BRAT_OK 150
CosmosSc2 96
Rex 88
Temp0 61
StarCraft: Brood War
LaStScan 127
Dewaltoss 112
sSak 95
sas.Sziky 37
NaDa 14
IntoTheRainbow 9
Noble 8
Dota 2
The International57457
Dendi1052
420jenkins300
Fuzer 258
League of Legends
JimRising 284
Counter-Strike
Fnx 1166
Stewie2K395
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor186
Other Games
Grubby3448
FrodaN1954
fl0m1391
summit1g680
ToD407
KnowMe297
Hui .172
Organizations
StarCraft 2
angryscii 23
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• printf 77
• musti20045 47
• Adnapsc2 3
• Kozan
• Migwel
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2349
League of Legends
• Doublelift2443
Other Games
• imaqtpie845
• Shiphtur211
• tFFMrPink 13
Upcoming Events
OSC
1h 51m
RSL Revival
13h 51m
Cure vs Bunny
Creator vs Zoun
Maestros of the Game
20h 51m
Maru vs Lambo
herO vs ShoWTimE
BSL Team Wars
22h 51m
Team Hawk vs Team Sziky
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 13h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 19h
The PondCast
4 days
Online Event
5 days
BSL Team Wars
5 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
BSL Team Wars
5 days
[ Show More ]
Maestros of the Game
6 days
Cosmonarchy
6 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
[BSL 2025] Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-02
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025: Warsaw LAN
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
EC S1
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.