On May 31 2010 02:08 Xeris wrote: Wtf ? Just because a country is powerful has nothing to do with its ability to prevent an oil spill...
actually it kinda does. However, i wanted say that they still arent taking this seriously enough. Imagine russia or china would want to seize one single oil source. USA would give 1000000 times more funds to prevent it than it is currently to stop this.
I'm doing a case study on it, right as we speak, i need to finish it in 3 days.
Travis if you don't mind but have interesting sources and interesting reads about it, i would appreciate if you could share some with me.
And i hate the "i'm not american why should i care" attitude that i've seen around here. I care and i am pissed as well.
Hell, let's think at how BP appeared and the fact that it indirectly made a coup d'etat in iran for its profit. And let's not forget about other screw ups done by BP. And let's be honest, BP is simply doing a better job in PR than Exxon but otherwise they are just as iresponsible as exxon was when valdez sank.
BP are in charge of it because no one has better knowledge and expertise than them to fix it. We, including the US government, just have to trust and hope they come up with something that works. Its not like the US government is sitting idly by and telling BP to hurry up - they've got a crack team of scientists working with BP to come up with solutions. It's in everyone's interest to stop the leak as soon as possible and they would have done if it really was a 'simple' oil spill.
I'm not defending BP though. They fucked up HUGE over this and lied about how much oil was actually spilling into the sea. I'm pretty sure they will first pay all the reasonable costs of the clean-up to the satisfaction of the US government. They won't admit 100% fault for the incident though as they will be sueing anyone with any money that they get lay additional fault on. (such as the manufacturer of the blow-out preventer).
On May 31 2010 02:18 Pika Chu wrote: I'm doing a case study on it, right as we speak, i need to finish it in 3 days.
Travis if you don't mind but have interesting sources and interesting reads about it, i would appreciate if you could share some with me.
And i hate the "i'm not american why should i care" attitude that i've seen around here. I care and i am pissed as well.
Hell, let's think at how BP appeared and the fact that it indirectly made a coup d'etat in iran for its profit. And let's not forget about other screw ups done by BP. And let's be honest, BP is simply doing a better job in PR than Exxon but otherwise they are just as iresponsible as exxon was when valdez sank.
more irresponsible
have u heard about BP's history of code violations? it's absolutely ridiculous
On May 31 2010 01:43 travis wrote:this shit is why i am a "conspiracy theorist". Who doesn't think corporations don't rule the world?
How is saying corporations rule the world, a conspiracy? Of course big companies with a tons of money have a lot of power - it is just how things work atm, and pretty clear to anyone.
corporations do not rule the world. conglomerates of corporations do, however.
paper money is nothing but enchanted-fetish-charms implemented to keep the general public (especially the "rich" ones) pacified. Those who are born without hereditary influence or power are pacified by the "hope of getting rich" with diligence and conformism- " the american dream".
you think the conglomerate that BP is a part of cares about money? they have too much. power is all these people want. they drink it with a side of adrenochrome from the sacrificed spinal chord of virgins.
On May 31 2010 01:43 travis wrote:this shit is why i am a "conspiracy theorist". Who doesn't think corporations don't rule the world?
How is saying corporations rule the world, a conspiracy? Of course big companies with a tons of money have a lot of power - it is just how things work atm, and pretty clear to anyone.
you might be surprised how many people ignore this when discussing government issues with them
BP is being given a lot of slack here. It was there whole fault for what happened in the Gulf. I mean, they didn't take the necessary requirements firstly just so that it would "go faster" WTF? I mean your risking a potentially large oil spill just to go faster.
Another thing is, they have the best engineers working on this, i mean the best. And still they have failed with the "top kill" and all. Now, they're going to use a cap to clean up the spill. Wow, fail BP
Because it has worked so far for Minnesota. But of course, the government usually takes something that makes sense and goes in the complete opposite direction.
The U.S. Government has named BP as the responsible party in the incident, and officials have said the company will be held accountable for all cleanup costs resulting from the oil spill.[17][18] BP has accepted responsibility for the oil spill and the cleanup costs, but indicated they were not at fault because the platform was run by Transocean personnel.[19]
BP and other oil companies are doing all they can to solve this problem, it's in all their interests. BP didn't make the platform and didn't run it so I think some others should also be responsible for this.
I have a feeling this has been going on in Africa for decades, but once it happens in America, everyone gets upset. It happened today, it will happen again. Welcome to reality.
Can you give some sources or back up how you know that BP is still making so much money and not helping (enough) to pay for the damages? I believe you, but I just want to see the facts
A monumental fuckup like this should not result in "business as usual" or even "tough going". It should have serious repercussions. You think these things would ever happen if a large corp like BP could potentially go bankrupt over fixing them?
Even the diehard ubercapitalist can see the logic behind this. There should be a tangible incentive not to ruin the environment and cost others billions of dollars.
The question we should really ask is why are we allowing such deep offshore drilling when its clear that we don't know wtf to do when a spill (inevitably) happens? I think unless you are about to come up with detailed contingency scenarios that are confirmed to work you shouldn't be allowed to drill, period.