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April 13th Update
New Starcraft editors: the biggest and most obvious flaw in liquipedia.net/starcraft is the lack of Korean Daily Proleagues records, I have too much to do, so it is very necessary for more editors to participate.
Daily Proleagues Information source: https://tl.net/forum/bw-tournaments/605325-megathread-daily-proleagues?page=56 https://eloboard.com/men/bbs/board.php?bo_table=pro_league
The previous record of this event, thank you FakeFin! Daily Proleague/Major Proleague/2023-07-10
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+ Show Spoiler +UPDATE 2: While I don't agree with the way it works, useful insight by enuaj was provided (thank you!) and here are some notes to self and other ppl who may want to contribute: 1. Don't assume your post has been reviewed, check it in the future and follow up 2. You can find active editors to bug about it on these pages: https://liquipedia.net/statistics/?view=activeusers&wikis[]=starcraftindex.php?title=Special:ActiveUsers&limit=5003. To editors and staff: if you are overwhelmed feel free to reach out. I am confident people would step up (especially in a potentially easier admission process). 4. Thank you all for your contributions and keeping the liquipedia going! GGs ^_._^ You can read the original post and UPDATE 1 below: + Show Spoiler +UPDATE 1:Currently the pending edits have been denied or accepted for the moment. The problem is systematic in the way the promotion to Editor works (as far as I understand it). You make edits, you get promoted automatically. And you can strike down posts in ALL of liquipedia? IDK... I think a top down approach where the power is given to a few ACTIVE COMMUNITY MEMBERS would be much better for quality control and content getting updated quickly. Hell, give it to the ACTUAL forum admins here! I suspect currently the person who reviews Brood War edits on liquipedia is not a Brood War player. There are plenty of qualified people that would be willing to help (in this thread even already!) You can read the original post here: + Show Spoiler +
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Yes, I've often encountered incorrect information just to find out there's a pending edit about it from SEVERAL MONTHS AGO
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I'd like to help. Check your private messages.
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On March 27 2024 15:15 Sonic_md wrote: I'd like to help. Check your private messages.
Well if you have editor role that would help! ; D
Otherwise getting an editor role would be the next thing...
I will be editing my thread here to go more in depth into the issue.
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On March 27 2024 15:11 iopq wrote: Yes, I've often encountered incorrect information just to find out there's a pending edit about it from SEVERAL MONTHS AGO
I wonder if 369 days is the record lel
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I was trying to do damage math just recently, and kept coming up with wrong numbers because Liquipedia showed "1" armor for a bunch of units that have "0" armor. Come to find out, changes had been suggested for over 100 days on them. It could use a little love!
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there is a huge amount of missing player information or players simply not existing on liquipedia. also saw a bunch of incorrect alternate IDs
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On March 28 2024 00:18 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: there is a huge amount of missing player information or players simply not existing on liquipedia. also saw a bunch of incorrect alternate IDs
Pretty sad state. Word on the discord street is someone might be doing an alternative to it.
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bw players should control all esports related shit.
others are noobs
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On March 31 2024 15:05 XenOsky wrote: bw players should control all esports related shit.
others are noobs
Lel.. IDK how the other wikis are doing. To me it makes sense people actually following the game to look after the content of the wiki.
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i mean if you make small changes for 2-3 weeks straight you get promoted to editor, not very hard. just make a change and ask in their discord to approve it, usually doesnt take a lot of time for them to react
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On April 01 2024 05:18 MM-yingxiong wrote: i mean if you make small changes for 2-3 weeks straight you get promoted to editor, not very hard. just make a change and ask in their discord to approve it, usually doesnt take a lot of time for them to react
If 369 days (actually 371 until it was resolved) is not a lot of time to react IDK what is... lel
Literally the first image I posted in this very thread: https://imgbb.com/0m0k5bp IDK if you saw it before you formed your opinion.
I assume over the years many people have left for real life reasons or whatever.
Maybe the system worked like a charm at peak BW times...
It hasn't worked like that for years now.
Also editor can NOT approve their OWN changes (to the best of my understanding).
My argument is this:
1. Contributing should be easy 2. Approval (or denial, ideally approved AND fixed by the editor if need be) should be quicker than 1 year 3. More editors = less work each would have to do 4. People with actual Brood War knowledge should be editors for the liquipedia (I believe currently it is not the case) 5. Actually having a more friendly copyright license for the wiki in particular may be helpful too...
P.S. if it is indeed so easy as you say I am looking forward to your ascension to editor. Hope you can do better. I hear many people tried a few times and didn't get approved and gave up forever...
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yeah i made a couple edits like 3 years ago and it took months for them to be approved and like at first i was thinking "i'll wait for these to be approved before i make more edits" and then it took so long that i gave up waiting
"just ask in the discord"
1. how is anyone supposed to know to do that 2. that's annoying as hell and i'm not doing that. how about you just check the wiki once a week for 2 seconds. if people can't do that how am i supposed to expect that anyone checks a discord
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On April 01 2024 10:44 quaristice wrote: yeah i made a couple edits like 3 years ago and it took months for them to be approved and like at first i was thinking "i'll wait for these to be approved before i make more edits" and then it took so long that i gave up waiting
"just ask in the discord"
1. how is anyone supposed to know to do that 2. that's annoying as hell and i'm not doing that. how about you just check the wiki once a week for 2 seconds. if people can't do that how am i supposed to expect that anyone checks a discord
Exactly, thank you!
Btw just for contrast contributing to https://speeddemosarchive.com/ is super easy. You make and account, introduce yourself in a post and make your edit or new thing. No editors, no bots, no red tape. While that may be slightly too open for malicious edits it sure felt better than waiting a year and trying to contact people on tl discord just to have a review (not even an approval after a year).
Oh and last time some1 responded in the Feedback thread was over 3 months ago, December 2023.
https://tl.net/forum/website-feedback/94785-liquipedia-feedback-thread?page=87
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On April 01 2024 18:46 jhguztjghtr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2024 18:01 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:On April 01 2024 10:44 quaristice wrote: yeah i made a couple edits like 3 years ago and it took months for them to be approved and like at first i was thinking "i'll wait for these to be approved before i make more edits" and then it took so long that i gave up waiting
"just ask in the discord"
1. how is anyone supposed to know to do that 2. that's annoying as hell and i'm not doing that. how about you just check the wiki once a week for 2 seconds. if people can't do that how am i supposed to expect that anyone checks a discord Exactly, thank you! Btw just for contrast contributing to https://speeddemosarchive.com/ is super easy. You make and account, introduce yourself in a post and make your edit or new thing. No editors, no bots, no red tape. While that may be slightly too open for malicious edits it sure felt better than waiting a year and trying to contact people on tl discord just to have a review (not even an approval after a year). Oh and last time some1 responded in the Feedback thread was over 3 months ago, December 2023. https://tl.net/forum/website-feedback/94785-liquipedia-feedback-thread?page=87 All of this requires an active community, not just an existing
You mean my 5 point plan? lel
The thing is the community IS active. But those responsible for liquipedia are busy with other things I presume.
That's the whole point of the thread. I say more Power to the Actives! \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/
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On April 01 2024 07:08 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2024 05:18 MM-yingxiong wrote: i mean if you make small changes for 2-3 weeks straight you get promoted to editor, not very hard. just make a change and ask in their discord to approve it, usually doesnt take a lot of time for them to react If 369 days (actually 371 until it was resolved) is not a lot of time to react IDK what is... lel Literally the first image I posted in this very thread: https://imgbb.com/0m0k5bp IDK if you saw it before you formed your opinion. I assume over the years many people have left for real life reasons or whatever. Maybe the system worked like a charm at peak BW times... It hasn't worked like that for years now. Also editor can NOT approve their OWN changes (to the best of my understanding). My argument is this: 1. Contributing should be easy 2. Approval (or denial, ideally approved AND fixed by the editor if need be) should be quicker than 1 year 3. More editors = less work each would have to do 4. People with actual Brood War knowledge should be editors for the liquipedia (I believe currently it is not the case) 5. Actually having a more friendly copyright license for the wiki in particular may be helpful too... P.S. if it is indeed so easy as you say I am looking forward to your ascension to editor. Hope you can do better. I hear many people tried a few times and didn't get approved and gave up forever... I mean yes, it's not as clear as it should be but I saw your messages on discord couple of weeks ago and you havent linked any of your changes you were just saying how it's a vicious cycle since noone will ever approve your changes. i myself edited like 10 times and just posted a link to a revision and they approved within couple hours.
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also if you're an editor and you make a change it immediately goes live without a need of approval
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